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GREATERIX |
One thing that struck me yesterday was humans complete lack of options in getting out of safe zone & taking it to the devs - they step foot outside and without 100's of +100hp pots are dead in about 3 steps.
I propose having a zone range 11 around the safe zone with health degeneration - double/triple abias health degen - to allow humans a chance to move out in groups without being used as target practice. But they'll just camp out side that zone you say? Not if the zone is too large for them to cover in big groups and spread themselves to thin - they'll have to pick a side or patrol in a big group. Just a thought, as after last night's WotW I doubt i'll bother turning up to anymore, i'd rather watch paint dry.
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[quote="GREATERIX"]One thing that struck me yesterday was humans complete lack of options in getting out of safe zone & taking it to the devs - they step foot outside and without 100's of +100hp pots are dead in about 3 steps.
I propose having a zone range 11 around the safe zone with health degeneration - double/triple abias health degen - to allow humans a chance to move out in groups without being used as target practice.
But they'll just camp out side that zone you say?
Not if the zone is too large for them to cover in big groups and spread themselves to thin - they'll have to pick a side or patrol in a big group.
Just a thought, as after last night's WotW I doubt i'll bother turning up to anymore, i'd rather watch paint dry.[/quote]
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#1 2013/11/16 09:45:25 |
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REHLINA |
"GREATERIX"One thing that struck me yesterday was humans complete lack of options in getting out of safe zone & taking it to the devs - they step foot outside and without 100's of +100hp pots are dead in about 3 steps. that wasn't the problem and you have the option to warp into random zone in castle the problem was there was more devils there than humans, so when u steped out of the safe zone you got 10 devils attackin one human devils won wotw with only one human in throne room, with only 2.5% difference from last week congrats tolic
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[quote="REHLINA"][quote="GREATERIX"]One thing that struck me yesterday was humans complete lack of options in getting out of safe zone & taking it to the devs - they step foot outside and without 100's of +100hp pots are dead in about 3 steps.
I propose having a zone range 11 around the safe zone with health degeneration - double/triple abias health degen - to allow humans a chance to move out in groups without being used as target practice.
But they'll just camp out side that zone you say?
Not if the zone is too large for them to cover in big groups and spread themselves to thin - they'll have to pick a side or patrol in a big group.
Just a thought, as after last night's WotW I doubt i'll bother turning up to anymore, i'd rather watch paint dry.[/quote]
that wasn't the problem and you have the option to warp into random zone in castle
the problem was there was more devils there than humans, so when u steped out of the safe zone you got 10 devils attackin one human
devils won wotw with only one human in throne room, with only 2.5% difference from last week
congrats tolic[/quote]
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#2 2013/11/16 10:18:14 |
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GREATERIX |
"REHLINA" I agree numbers were mostly the issue. Also a complete lack of determination to get to throne room. However, random wap is pointless - you'd warp alone and have to find other people to group with - more likely to run into a group of devs and die. I think if it was easier for even a smaller number of humans to get out of the safe zone as a group and kill some dev's they'd get the blood lust and storm all the way to the stones. At the moment the numbers that do turn up step out, die, warp back, step out, die, go and do something else - leading to less turning up.
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[quote="GREATERIX"][quote="REHLINA"]
that wasn't the problem and you have the option to warp into random zone in castle
the problem was there was more devils there than humans, so when u steped out of the safe zone you got 10 devils attackin one human
devils won wotw with only one human in throne room, with only 2.5% difference from last week
congrats tolic[/quote]
I agree numbers were mostly the issue.
Also a complete lack of determination to get to throne room.
However, random wap is pointless - you'd warp alone and have to find other people to group with - more likely to run into a group of devs and die.
I think if it was easier for even a smaller number of humans to get out of the safe zone as a group and kill some dev's they'd get the blood lust and storm all the way to the stones.
At the moment the numbers that do turn up step out, die, warp back, step out, die, go and do something else - leading to less turning up.[/quote]
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#3 2013/11/16 10:36:22 |
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That's entirely the fault of Hsoma people not attending... The war before this one, humans turned up in real numbers.
If you don't attend, you lose... What do you expect? Even if you made this change to the safe zone, you still would've lost as no humans wanted Conti, it's that simple.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]That's entirely the fault of Hsoma people not attending... The war before this one, humans turned up in real numbers.
If you don't attend, you lose... What do you expect?
Even if you made this change to the safe zone, you still would've lost as no humans wanted Conti, it's that simple.[/quote]
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#4 2013/11/16 10:52:25 |
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GREATERIX |
"S0RCERER"That's entirely the fault of Hsoma people not attending... The war before this one, humans turned up in real numbers. tbh the population of HSoma has dropped dramatically from what i've noticed around past week or so - TYT always empty when i'm about town. The war last saturday was won because devils didn't turn up - I was watching the live stream and there were barely any around - humans about the same number turned up from what I saw. I'm just trying to throw ideas that get's combat flowing rather than devils camping out safe zone - as if you're all completely honest that cannot be fun for you guys either.
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[quote="GREATERIX"][quote="S0RCERER"]That's entirely the fault of Hsoma people not attending... The war before this one, humans turned up in real numbers.
If you don't attend, you lose... What do you expect?
Even if you made this change to the safe zone, you still would've lost as no humans wanted Conti, it's that simple.[/quote]
tbh the population of HSoma has dropped dramatically from what i've noticed around past week or so - TYT always empty when i'm about town.
The war last saturday was won because devils didn't turn up - I was watching the live stream and there were barely any around - humans about the same number turned up from what I saw.
I'm just trying to throw ideas that get's combat flowing rather than devils camping out safe zone - as if you're all completely honest that cannot be fun for you guys either.
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#5 2013/11/16 11:38:48 |
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PATHOLOGIST |
It might also help to not wear sorc gear when stepping out rix, it looks nice but I'm sure you have something else to use? ;P
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#6 2013/11/16 11:54:16 |
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GREATERIX |
"PATHOLOGIST"It might also help to not wear sorc gear when stepping out rix, it looks nice but I'm sure you have something else to use? ;P I had sorc top on with hero bits, apart from a couple of times where i was hit with magic :P but if you want a good laugh in full sorc my DF is 94~103. Not a huge difference :P
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[quote="GREATERIX"][quote="PATHOLOGIST"]It might also help to not wear sorc gear when stepping out rix, it looks nice but I'm sure you have something else to use? ;P[/quote]
I had sorc top on with hero bits, apart from a couple of times where i was hit with magic :P
but if you want a good laugh in full sorc my DF is 94~103.
Not a huge difference :P[/quote]
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#7 2013/11/16 12:14:21 |
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TOLIC |
Wotw is always a numbers game , humans give up far to easily and a lot don't turn up because they havnt any int because they put their only play time into Str being only able to play very little.
Devils rarely give up because even just 1 devil can cause problems where as 1 human can't really do much by themselves. Thus the human turnout decreasing . Last wotw We had a good kill plan worked out and we killed a fair few, but didn't have the man power to storm the throne room Humans can only win or survive in groups and untill we get a good turnout devils should have every right to eniliate any human who steps out All this remove +100 hp pots what's been mentioned will make humans holding a stone near impossible. I don't think a safe zone Change will benefit anyone in my opinion
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[quote="TOLIC"]Wotw is always a numbers game , humans give up far to easily and a lot don't turn up because they havnt any int because they put their only play time into Str being only able to play very little.
Devils rarely give up because even just 1 devil can cause problems where as 1 human can't really do much by themselves. Thus the human turnout decreasing .
Last wotw We had a good kill plan worked out and we killed a fair few, but didn't have the man power to storm the throne room
Humans can only win or survive in groups and untill we get a good turnout devils should have every right to eniliate any human who steps out
All this remove +100 hp pots what's been mentioned will make humans holding a stone near impossible.
I don't think a safe zone Change will benefit anyone in my opinion[/quote]
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#8 2013/11/16 17:27:03 |
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CHOJINE |
If all humans turned up, and timed a full on charge all at once, out of the safe zone, Devs wouldn't know what hit them.
Alas, no one works together. |
#9 2013/11/17 09:37:48 |
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REHLINA |
"CHOJINE"If all humans turned up, and timed a full on charge all at once, out of the safe zone, Devs wouldn't know what hit them. why would ppl work together tho, you don't get pos for helping to kill someone |
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"REHLINA""CHOJINE"If all humans turned up, and timed a full on charge all at once, out of the safe zone, Devs wouldn't know what hit them. To win the war.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="REHLINA"][quote="CHOJINE"]If all humans turned up, and timed a full on charge all at once, out of the safe zone, Devs wouldn't know what hit them.
Alas, no one works together.[/quote]
why would ppl work together tho, you don't get pos for helping to kill someone[/quote]
To win the war.[/quote]
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#11 2013/11/17 13:58:08 |
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"S0RCERER"To win the war. The point was already made that most people don't care about owning conti right now, only a handful of people actually want it.. People don't want to waste an hour for a decrease in pos on their f9 screen. |
#12 2013/11/19 12:12:04 |
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"CHILLZ_MK2""S0RCERER"To win the war. I couldn't care less for POS, neither can most devils (ofc there are exceptions). I couldn't even care for Conti as there is nothing there for me. (hint hint!) I go for the PVP and at present, that's broken as hell because of % and +100's. Last war barely any humans attended and although that's the reason for their loss, I don't blame them - why come to a war where even though devs aren't wiping the floor with you, they take such effort to kill because they can shrug off the damage you deal with a press of a button. I stand firm by devils needing a survivability nerf. GVW's on Dsoma don't need +100s and neither does PVE, I've argued this and will continue to argue this, all they do is serve to make people much more durable than they should be.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="CHILLZ_MK2"][quote="S0RCERER"]To win the war.[/quote]
The point was already made that most people don't care about owning conti right now, only a handful of people actually want it.. People don't want to waste an hour for a decrease in pos on their f9 screen.
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I couldn't care less for POS, neither can [b]most[/b] devils (ofc there are exceptions).
I couldn't even care for Conti as there is nothing there for me. (hint hint!)
I go for the PVP and at present, that's broken as hell because of % and +100's.
Last war barely any humans attended and although that's the reason for their loss, I don't blame them - why come to a war where even though devs aren't wiping the floor with you, they take such effort to kill because they can shrug off the damage you deal with a press of a button.
I stand firm by devils needing a survivability nerf.
GVW's on Dsoma don't need +100s and neither does PVE, I've argued this and will continue to argue this, all they do is serve to make people much more durable than they should be.[/quote]
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