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Just open it up to greys are fair game to everyone, majority of people are in guilds that have higher players who like a bit of pvp that can be called on if you're being killed or make it so that once you have died you aren't pk'able for 10 seconds after? Gives people chance to start running or if want to fight just wait it out, like has been said pk'ing is an option for anyone to do so shouldn't be 'punished' imo,
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[quote="DEIMOS"]Just open it up to greys are fair game to everyone, majority of people are in guilds that have higher players who like a bit of pvp that can be called on if you're being killed or make it so that once you have died you aren't pk'able for 10 seconds after? Gives people chance to start running or if want to fight just wait it out, like has been said pk'ing is an option for anyone to do so shouldn't be 'punished' imo, [/quote]
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#61 2016/11/01 11:29:05 |
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"JHAELIEN"I do think players should be able to get out of devil/angel moral instead of being essentially 'stuck' at devil moral it's especially harder for uncapped players who can't simply just go to the fastest moral mob. Just comes down to my thoughts on not cutting off one style of gameplay by making it so bad no one wants to do it. Agreed, but a caped player can go to the fastest moral mob ? (Only dsoma that can't currently) and finito commented that mobs will give moral in freemode also What I was thinking is those lvl 100 that are only logged to pk would build up moral loss that it wouldn't be easy to then just holy water out of it when they have just pked for months and nothing else (could have a pk rank lists #1 pker) Those that are pking and playing could maintain there moral Spose it would be middle ground to cap moral but having a big gap from moral up
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[quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="JHAELIEN"]I do think players should be able to get out of devil/angel moral instead of being essentially 'stuck' at devil moral it's especially harder for uncapped players who can't simply just go to the fastest moral mob. Just comes down to my thoughts on not cutting off one style of gameplay by making it so bad no one wants to do it. [/quote]
Agreed, but a caped player can go to the fastest moral mob ? (Only dsoma that can't currently) and finito commented that mobs will give moral in freemode also
What I was thinking is those lvl 100 that are only logged to pk would build up moral loss that it wouldn't be easy to then just holy water out of it when they have just pked for months and nothing else (could have a pk rank lists #1 pker)
Those that are pking and playing could maintain there moral
Spose it would be middle ground to cap moral but having a big gap from moral up [/quote]
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#62 2016/11/01 11:44:17 |
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JHAELIEN |
In my opinion there's no need to be stuck in the 'old ways' of esoma spending 1/2/3 months trying to get moral back, esoma is dead and this is far more improved than esoma ever was.
An uncapped pker still has to continue on their leveling path so if they're at a mob that gives poor moral then they will already gain moral back slowly and it's their problem. Probably why apart from Batman there are hardly any mid level pkers/devil moral players. Imo there's currently nothing wrong with the moral system just make it so grey players can be attacked by anyone regardless of level.
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[quote="JHAELIEN"]In my opinion there's no need to be stuck in the 'old ways' of esoma spending 1/2/3 months trying to get moral back, esoma is dead and this is far more improved than esoma ever was.
An uncapped pker still has to continue on their leveling path so if they're at a mob that gives poor moral then they will already gain moral back slowly and it's their problem. Probably why apart from Batman there are hardly any mid level pkers/devil moral players. Imo there's currently nothing wrong with the moral system just make it so grey players can be attacked by anyone regardless of level. [/quote]
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#63 2016/11/01 11:56:38 |
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"JHAELIEN"just make it so grey players can be attacked by anyone regardless of level. But also allow grey players to defend themselves against anyone who hits them. Woundnt want to be the lvl 69 grey char that has a load of lvl 100s killing him and he is completely defencless.
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[quote="MATTHEW"][quote="JHAELIEN"]just make it so grey players can be attacked by anyone regardless of level. [/quote]
But also allow grey players to defend themselves against anyone who hits them. Woundnt want to be the lvl 69 grey char that has a load of lvl 100s killing him and he is completely defencless.
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#64 2016/11/01 12:56:18 |
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I was quite shocked at how fast I gained moral on this server, it made no sense since the purpose of moral is primarily to act as a deterrent against PK'ing. PK'ing still existed and its effects on game play remained the same so why the moral change? Seemed like an oversight.
Increasing the gain in moral simply weakened it as a deterrent and created many incidents of random PK'ing. As a result we saw PK mode being constantly turned off as the GMs ended up acting as a deterrent by proxy. In turn, PK'ing as a strategy of game play is degraded. Like I said, I think it must have been an oversight, thrown in with the general increase in stat rate gain. Problem is that unlike other stats which need to be gained in sync with each other to create a balanced character. Moral is not a stat but is a state that exists to control PK'ing (a choice entirely at the whim of the person behind the screen) through causing negative consequences that increase the 'redder' one becomes. As a PK'er your game play is indeed supposed to be annoying (to you as well as to others) and disrupted. It's not about hating a person's game play or trying to drive them from the game. It's about creating a balance that is mindful of the game mechanics. Hence I favour esoma's original system of dealing with PK'ers. It worked then and there is no reason why it cannot work now as its reason for existing is the same here as it was in esoma. In esoma we had both PvE players and PvP players, neither went away. The same will happen here but it'll be fairer to all again. The problem with creating new fixes for one side is that you'll need to balance it for the other. That's not impossible but it will create debate and take time. Returning to a system that we know works for all is quick and simple.
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[quote="RTPR"]I was quite shocked at how fast I gained moral on this server, it made no sense since the purpose of moral is primarily to act as a deterrent against PK'ing. PK'ing still existed and its effects on game play remained the same so why the moral change? Seemed like an oversight.
Increasing the gain in moral simply weakened it as a deterrent and created many incidents of random PK'ing. As a result we saw PK mode being constantly turned off as the GMs ended up acting as a deterrent by proxy. In turn, PK'ing as a strategy of game play is degraded. Like I said, I think it must have been an oversight, thrown in with the general increase in stat rate gain. Problem is that unlike other stats which need to be gained in sync with each other to create a balanced character. Moral is not a stat but is a state that exists to control PK'ing (a choice entirely at the whim of the person behind the screen) through causing negative consequences that increase the 'redder' one becomes.
As a PK'er your game play is indeed supposed to be annoying (to you as well as to others) and disrupted. It's not about hating a person's game play or trying to drive them from the game. It's about creating a balance that is mindful of the game mechanics. Hence I favour esoma's original system of dealing with PK'ers. It worked then and there is no reason why it cannot work now as its reason for existing is the same here as it was in esoma. In esoma we had both PvE players and PvP players, neither went away. The same will happen here but it'll be fairer to all again. The problem with creating new fixes for one side is that you'll need to balance it for the other. That's not impossible but it will create debate and take time. Returning to a system that we know works for all is quick and simple.[/quote]
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#65 2016/11/01 19:08:01 |
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Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them.
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[quote="JHAELIEN"]Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. [/quote]
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#66 2016/11/01 19:14:25 |
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"JHAELIEN"Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. Glad u agree ;p let Fin work his magic on the qwik fixes listed ...dont distract him with irellevant ...atm .. stuff. ''qwik fixes'' ftw
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[quote="THE7THSEAL"][quote="JHAELIEN"]Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. [/quote]
Glad u agree ;p
let Fin work his magic on the qwik fixes listed ...dont distract him with irellevant ...atm .. stuff.
''qwik fixes'' ftw[/quote]
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#67 2016/11/01 19:18:15 |
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"JHAELIEN"Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. Like I said before it is clear that we do not all agree with that. There will always be more important things to fix on an aging game that is struggling to attract new players and is limited in its capacity to evolve. I do not believe that is an excuse to ignore things that can be fixed and that clearly do irritate or cause problems for some players. As I said, I only seek balance and as you said you have no problem with that so I can't see why we can't work to find that balance.
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[quote="RTPR"][quote="JHAELIEN"]Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. [/quote]
Like I said before it is clear that we do not all agree with that. There will always be more important things to fix on an aging game that is struggling to attract new players and is limited in its capacity to evolve. I do not believe that is an excuse to ignore things that can be fixed and that clearly do irritate or cause problems for some players. As I said, I only seek balance and as you said you have no problem with that so I can't see why we can't work to find that balance.[/quote]
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#68 2016/11/01 20:03:09 |
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Unless an army of devil moral pkers suddenly show up overnight, not really much to fix. I'm all for grey players being an exception to the -/+ 30 rule. I think it's doing a fine job atm of regulating pking but to be fair there's very little pking to actually regulate.
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[quote="JHAELIEN"]Unless an army of devil moral pkers suddenly show up overnight, not really much to fix. I'm all for grey players being an exception to the -/+ 30 rule. I think it's doing a fine job atm of regulating pking but to be fair there's very little pking to actually regulate.[/quote]
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#69 2016/11/01 20:09:31 |
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THE7THSEAL |
"RTPR""JHAELIEN"Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. Like jha said .. ott pk is not an issue atm ... the +30/-30 fixed any major issues ..When we have some fixes... more players/ guilds..and when/ if pk becomes a major issue .. deal with it then. You may have some relevant points... but they aint relevant atm. Let Soma flourish abit... let the problem u describe exist... then ask for a fix
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[quote="THE7THSEAL"][quote="RTPR"][quote="JHAELIEN"]Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. [/quote]
Like I said before it is clear that we do not all agree with that. There will always be more important things to fix on an aging game that is struggling to attract new players and is limited in its capacity to evolve. I do not believe that is an excuse to ignore things that can be fixed and that clearly do irritate or cause problems for some players. As I said, I only seek balance and as you said you have no problem with that so I can't see why we can't work to find that balance.[/quote]
Like jha said .. ott pk is not an issue atm ... the +30/-30 fixed any major issues ..When we have some fixes... more players/ guilds..and when/ if pk becomes a major issue .. deal with it then.
You may have some relevant points... but they aint relevant atm.
Let Soma flourish abit... let the problem u describe exist... then ask for a fix[/quote]
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#70 2016/11/01 20:10:40 |
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SYONIDE |
a suggestion
Every 90|+ who spends all their time in town they should get a PK penalty and be attackable and to reset that penalty it will have hunt to remove it |
#71 2016/11/01 20:11:59 |
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THE7THSEAL |
"SYONIDE"a suggestion lev 90's arent allowed to craft without a penalty? lol Harsh ;p some of these lev 90s/80s/70s gona be selling sr/upgrade tokens. dont be cruel ;)
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[quote="THE7THSEAL"][quote="SYONIDE"]a suggestion
Every 90|+ who spends all their time in town they should get a PK penalty and be attackable and to reset that penalty it will have hunt to remove it[/quote]
lev 90's arent allowed to craft without a penalty? lol
Harsh ;p
some of these lev 90s/80s/70s gona be selling sr/upgrade tokens. dont be cruel ;)[/quote]
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#72 2016/11/01 20:18:50 |
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SYONIDE |
There are not Crafter class in this game so stop bullshiting and all "crafters" need to venture out of town to get materials if we go by RP mode
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#73 2016/11/01 20:21:26 |
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"THE7THSEAL""RTPR""JHAELIEN"Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. The problem with that is twofold. Firstly, as I said, some of us do consider it an issue and Finito asked for suggestions to change it. Secondly, the scenario you describe is as you know unlikely to happen anytime soon, if ever. Therefore the problem remains an issue for some of us. I suppose you might say that players with an issue that cannot or will not be solved should leave but Soma really isn't in the position to be losing players as the thread calling for drastic action attests to so I'd rather find a middle ground.
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[quote="RTPR"][quote="THE7THSEAL"][quote="RTPR"][quote="JHAELIEN"]Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. [/quote]
Like I said before it is clear that we do not all agree with that. There will always be more important things to fix on an aging game that is struggling to attract new players and is limited in its capacity to evolve. I do not believe that is an excuse to ignore things that can be fixed and that clearly do irritate or cause problems for some players. As I said, I only seek balance and as you said you have no problem with that so I can't see why we can't work to find that balance.[/quote]
Like jha said .. ott pk is not an issue atm ... the +30/-30 fixed any major issues ..When we have some fixes... more players/ guilds..and when/ if pk becomes a major issue .. deal with it then.
You may have some relevant points... but they aint relevant atm.
Let Soma flourish abit... let the problem u describe exist... then ask for a fix[/quote]
The problem with that is twofold. Firstly, as I said, some of us do consider it an issue and Finito asked for suggestions to change it. Secondly, the scenario you describe is as you know unlikely to happen anytime soon, if ever. Therefore the problem remains an issue for some of us. I suppose you might say that players with an issue that cannot or will not be solved should leave but Soma really isn't in the position to be losing players as the thread calling for drastic action attests to so I'd rather find a middle ground.[/quote]
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#74 2016/11/01 20:21:36 |
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"RTPR""THE7THSEAL""RTPR""JHAELIEN"Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. i think ur takin the wee .. or just asking for an argument which uv already lost .. i say no more
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[quote="THE7THSEAL"][quote="RTPR"][quote="THE7THSEAL"][quote="RTPR"][quote="JHAELIEN"]Just seems like you're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist mate lol, would 100% understand if there was this swarm of devil moral players causing havoc, only mid level devil moral I can think of is batman and until lately it's been months since he logged in. Most high level devil morals get there through pvp and not 'random' pking. Far more things that need looking at as a priority and this isn't one of them. [/quote]
Like I said before it is clear that we do not all agree with that. There will always be more important things to fix on an aging game that is struggling to attract new players and is limited in its capacity to evolve. I do not believe that is an excuse to ignore things that can be fixed and that clearly do irritate or cause problems for some players. As I said, I only seek balance and as you said you have no problem with that so I can't see why we can't work to find that balance.[/quote]
Like jha said .. ott pk is not an issue atm ... the +30/-30 fixed any major issues ..When we have some fixes... more players/ guilds..and when/ if pk becomes a major issue .. deal with it then.
You may have some relevant points... but they aint relevant atm.
Let Soma flourish abit... let the problem u describe exist... then ask for a fix[/quote]
The problem with that is twofold. Firstly, as I said, some of us do consider it an issue and Finito asked for suggestions to change it. Secondly, the scenario you describe is as you know unlikely to happen anytime soon, if ever. Therefore the problem remains an issue for some of us. I suppose you might say that players with an issue that cannot or will not be solved should leave but Soma really isn't in the position to be losing players as the thread calling for drastic action attests to so I'd rather find a middle ground.[/quote]
i think ur takin the wee .. or just asking for an argument which uv already lost ..
i say no more [/quote]
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