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"GHOSTLORD"I beileve 3rd was 100 or 75% and 5th was 150%. That does sound better, at those boosts nothing would need to be done with the cooldown. |
#16 2013/12/07 19:46:20 |
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NEOXIAN |
5th being 150% fits in with swords damage 5th, would mean spear is a defensive version of
Swords offense. Sounds balanced and fair |
#17 2013/12/07 21:11:57 |
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JARAGOONDOO |
I agree with buffing spear 3rd and 5th.
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#18 2013/12/08 01:33:01 |
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TAKESHI |
The only fair way to boost spear is to make the standard speed 200 recoil so a+++ , I'm not being biased as a spear user.. Honest :)
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#19 2013/12/08 02:59:44 |
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FUJITORA |
I wouldnt be against increasing spear 3rd and 5th but 150% isnt the way to go... spear already has the best aura for leveling in terms of 2nd spear
In Hsoma spear and sword attack on ruby/ripper are pretty similar, but spear users get str much faster, and in dsoma, spears have more attack than sword? (not sure on that), as well as spear users will cap with more str than sword users, Giving them 5th with 150% dmg would just make it way overpowered, as well as a heal from the damage on top... Although i do agree that currently 50 / 100 % heal on 3rd / 5th could probably be increased, to maybe 100% / 125% (So that its actually worth using), increasing it to 150% definitely isn't the way to go.
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[quote="FUJITORA"]I wouldnt be against increasing spear 3rd and 5th but 150% isnt the way to go... spear already has the best aura for leveling in terms of 2nd spear
In Hsoma spear and sword attack on ruby/ripper are pretty similar, but spear users get str much faster, and in dsoma, spears have more attack than sword? (not sure on that), as well as spear users will cap with more str than sword users, Giving them 5th with 150% dmg would just make it way overpowered, as well as a heal from the damage on top...
Although i do agree that currently 50 / 100 % heal on 3rd / 5th could probably be increased, to maybe 100% / 125% (So that its actually worth using), increasing it to 150% definitely isn't the way to go.
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#20 2013/12/08 13:13:10 |
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S0RCERER |
"FUJITORA"and in dsoma, spears have more attack than sword? 2h Swords have more attack than they should have. There's almost no difference between sword/axe/spear which is bizarre considering Sword isn't supposed to be as strong as the other two.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="FUJITORA"]and in dsoma, spears have more attack than sword?[/quote]
2h Swords have more attack than they should have.
There's almost no difference between sword/axe/spear which is bizarre considering Sword isn't supposed to be as strong as the other two.
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#21 2013/12/08 14:28:46 |
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CHRONOS |
Dont think he was on about the power of 5th been 150% , think he ment the HP you gain will be 150% of the damage you caused
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#22 2013/12/08 14:29:06 |
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JARAGOONDOO |
"FUJITORA"I wouldnt be against increasing spear 3rd and 5th but 150% isnt the way to go... spear already has the best aura for leveling in terms of 2nd spear 100% and 125% sounds good, considering it heals and Spear already has higher base damage than Sword it shouldn't be hitting as hard as Sword 5th.
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="FUJITORA"]I wouldnt be against increasing spear 3rd and 5th but 150% isnt the way to go... spear already has the best aura for leveling in terms of 2nd spear
In Hsoma spear and sword attack on ruby/ripper are pretty similar, but spear users get str much faster, and in dsoma, spears have more attack than sword? (not sure on that), as well as spear users will cap with more str than sword users, Giving them 5th with 150% dmg would just make it way overpowered, as well as a heal from the damage on top...
Although i do agree that currently 50 / 100 % heal on 3rd / 5th could probably be increased, to maybe 100% / 125% (So that its actually worth using), increasing it to 150% definitely isn't the way to go.
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100% and 125% sounds good, considering it heals and Spear already has higher base damage than Sword it shouldn't be hitting as hard as Sword 5th.[/quote]
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#23 2013/12/08 14:29:29 |
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NEOXIAN |
Fuji and jaragoondoo...
3rd and 5th are normal hits but the % is the damage done which is returned as health. For instance sword has 300 dmg and 5th hits for 450 damage less 200 defence so total damage done by a swordie around level 70 is 250 Spear of similar level has 300 dmg and 5th hits for 300 damage less 200 defence so it will hit for 100 damage but RETURN 150 hp back to user. This is still underpowered to sword 5th.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]Fuji and jaragoondoo...
3rd and 5th are normal hits but the % is the damage done which is returned as health.
For instance sword has 300 dmg and 5th hits for 450 damage less 200 defence so total damage done by a swordie around level 70 is 250
Spear of similar level has 300 dmg and 5th hits for 300 damage less 200 defence so it will hit for 100 damage but RETURN 150 hp back to user. This is still underpowered to sword 5th. [/quote]
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#24 2013/12/08 15:59:10 |
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NEOXIAN |
Maths is wrong there sorry calculated sword before defence.
Sword 5th would HIT for 150 damage Spear 5th would HIT for 100 damage and heal spear user for 150 damage |
#25 2013/12/08 16:06:14 |
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JARAGOONDOO |
From what the others are saying, it seems 3rd does half damage.
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#26 2013/12/08 16:22:26 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"JARAGOONDOO""FUJITORA"I wouldnt be against increasing spear 3rd and 5th but 150% isnt the way to go... spear already has the best aura for leveling in terms of 2nd spear I don't mind a little less to be honest, though to make 3rd and 5th differ more I'd say take the numbers 75% and 125%.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="FUJITORA"]I wouldnt be against increasing spear 3rd and 5th but 150% isnt the way to go... spear already has the best aura for leveling in terms of 2nd spear
In Hsoma spear and sword attack on ruby/ripper are pretty similar, but spear users get str much faster, and in dsoma, spears have more attack than sword? (not sure on that), as well as spear users will cap with more str than sword users, Giving them 5th with 150% dmg would just make it way overpowered, as well as a heal from the damage on top...
Although i do agree that currently 50 / 100 % heal on 3rd / 5th could probably be increased, to maybe 100% / 125% (So that its actually worth using), increasing it to 150% definitely isn't the way to go.
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100% and 125% sounds good, considering it heals and Spear already has higher base damage than Sword it shouldn't be hitting as hard as Sword 5th.[/quote]
I don't mind a little less to be honest, though to make 3rd and 5th differ more I'd say take the numbers 75% and 125%.[/quote]
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#27 2013/12/08 17:24:12 |
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NEOXIAN |
Nah ghost those numbers would need it to be a 10 second cool down or still useless.
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#28 2013/12/08 18:20:41 |
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CYROX |
Was 100% and 150% at end of esoma and it was still one of the weaker 5ths. This needs to be a minimum. I would also suggest a slightly reduced cooldown on top of this buff
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#29 2013/12/08 18:39:02 |
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GILGAMESH |
I for one can testify to how punishing spear leveling can be. Its pretty much impossible for me to hunt without a personal healer and not get ridiculously low gains at valks/mess, compared to people who are able to go palus+shield/pd aura around my stats.
Some conservative changes to 3rd/5th which would make it the defensive equivalent of 2nd spam for easier mob transitions would be very welcome..
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[quote="GILGAMESH"]I for one can testify to how punishing spear leveling can be. Its pretty much impossible for me to hunt without a personal healer and not get ridiculously low gains at valks/mess, compared to people who are able to go palus+shield/pd aura around my stats.
Some conservative changes to 3rd/5th which would make it the defensive equivalent of 2nd spam for easier mob transitions would be very welcome..
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#30 2013/12/09 04:08:56 |
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