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But why moan about it when they don't play anymore? I understand that people choose to spend their time doing different things ingame except you can't moan about the lack of rubies when you don't hunt blg. I can make 3 large rubies per week with drops if I hunt blg for 4 hours per day. Seems enough to me.

"VEIGAR"No one attends because everyone left loves PvE it was NEVER a problem when DL were playing full time or Eq, no mercy, firetrap it is only a problem now, we could give humans free rested free rubies and everything else it doesn't take a genius to realise the attendance would still be poor everyone left in hsoma don't like pvp.

Definitely this, it's what happens when people attempt to drive pvp out of the game. Back to wanting yet more things handed out on a plate as well.

"VEIGAR"No one attends because everyone left loves PvE it was NEVER a problem when DL were playing full time or Eq, no mercy, firetrap it is only a problem now, we could give humans free rested free rubies and everything else it doesn't take a genius to realise the attendance would still be poor everyone left in hsoma don't like pvp.

I disagree, this has been a problem since the test server. Humans would base attendance on the percentage and whether or not they needed conti. A lot of times when there was fighting people wouldn't go to the throne room. So It might ring true for the PvP part, but not as incentive to win.

So let's not give people more credit than they deserve.

"GRAVIJA"Here's an idea . . .make the combine NPC in conti only.

Harsh and effective. ha.

"OPENTHEDOOR"A few people hit the nail on the head, it's a user count issue not anything else.

Lupi you play every day? Surely you see and acknowledge that it's low?

Wait to the patch increase, if that brings people back then wow will improve. As will SS and other aspects of the game.

The usercount is quite healthy. It hasn't dropped as much at all as people seem to think.

The user count of active lvl 100's who could fight at wow (the discussion in this thread) has dropped significantly.

There seems to be a lot of new players playing I would agree, but active level 40's and 50's are not going to help people at wow.

"OPENTHEDOOR"The user count of active lvl 100's who could fight at wow (the discussion in this thread) has dropped significantly.

There seems to be a lot of new players playing I would agree, but active level 40's and 50's are not going to help people at wow.

Agree with this tbh.

I don't think the UC is as good as it seems - my reasoning for this that I myself use three soma's most of the time and I know a lot of people often have store chars logged in tyt or pocket healers logged on. The user count over the weekend I believe was 120+ at times but you count all those noobs doing con or crafting and I bet that number would drop to maybe 40 individuals instead of 120+.

I might be wrong and Dan has taken into account multiple clients running from the same IP but I doubt it.

"OPENTHEDOOR"The user count of active lvl 100's who could fight at wow (the discussion in this thread) has dropped significantly.

There seems to be a lot of new players playing I would agree, but active level 40's and 50's are not going to help people at wow.

And adding an incentive like 10% xtra drops might encourage lower levs to attend even if they're collateral damage in assisting a human win ?

I aint suggessting this for my benefit.. or only humans benefit... A little xtra gear around keeps players motivated and gives some sort of progression.
Combine has helped a lot and mags too. Soma is going forward in ''spreading the wealth'' for everyone and that has to be a good thing.
Im sure Dan has everythin under control ;p

( anyway.. i talk too much..sorry.. shushing for a while x )

how would a level40 help? Apart from the odd weaken they wouldn't do anything and just be a POS piniata.

Dsoma lvl 100's are more active because of the large Korean community and they now have mobs to farm and combine to make items ect ect.

The % is in place and devils will be lowered until humans can win, with a % based system just like gvw things like this don't need discussing as it will sort itself out naturally.

Also Lupi different discussion but combine hasn't spread any wealth. The strong got much much stronger and benefitted a lot while the new players don't at all.

Wouldn't say they're as low as level 40 lol probably 50-75 range but they still wouldn't have what it takes.

"OPENTHEDOOR"Also Lupi different discussion but combine hasn't spread any wealth. The strong got much much stronger and benefitted a lot while the new players don't at all.

It's enabled lower levs to make epic/intense items and add a few toes etc..... may not be the same worth- wise as top end stuff...but lower levs are getting better items to help them level

Mayb gm's holding off cap+ update till theres a few more lev 100s with decent gear to compete with the 10-20 ppl with already mega gear......

Not much use for usercount if the update comes and only 10-20 ppl can compete with pvp/pk etc..gms want as many ppl as possible to play and utilise any new content

Ten capped humans vs ten capped devils... Who's winning?

What is the actual incentive for a capped player to turn up to WOTW?

Another ide would be like in wow where every participant gets level 100 stats. Prob not easy to implement but this would bring those lower levels to the war. Just need think of what to do with armour or weps.

"WARRE"Another ide would be like in wow where every participant gets level 100 stats. Prob not easy to implement but this would bring those lower levels to the war. Just need think of what to do with armour or weps.

the beauty of soma .. is theres no such thing as lev 100 stats.. the variations are enormous
maybe a stock 170 str 130 int 105 dex for such an idea..but proly way too much work

Ghostlord tell me active lvl 100's that would go to a wotw today i can't name more than 5 can you? I can hardly see a gang of Jackelpup, Lyon, Lupi ect turning up to win it, I mean no disrespect to those guys it's how you play the game i like most of the peaceful guys, and giving more credit than deserved why are the gm's constantly going out of their way to make the guilds that help keep pvp alive and wotw competitive, ss ect feel like they aren't any good to the game?

Facts are facts i do not claim anyone is above the game but i will however suggest, When Eq were active humans would win A LOT more than without them, When No_mercy in their prime went we would have more chance of winning, when DL players hadn't given up on the game and we were the guild made up of all the stronger guilds we dictated SS if link didn't want to move off the stone he would have healers around him and for sure there was no one moving him off the stone, it isn't a % issue at all maybe after 4 wins in a row yes but we went week in week out when the active Lvl 100's who enjoyed pvp were around.

i don't see why you disagree with me that every active lvl 100 left doesn't like pvp, DL only log on to try and prevent Vikings from griefing the noobs, because there is a skype chat and someone says "please can you guys win tonight" i am telling you straight from the horses mouth it isn't a % thing people generally just don't want to log on much anymore and it saddens me it's like this, hopefully it will change for the best.