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"BELKA" I gree 100% with this. If they put a mob into conti like NM's or prisms and add a decent boss worth killing onto conti like pammy, it would make a lot more of the higher levels turn upto wow. Just an idea though
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[quote="YUFFIE"][quote="BELKA"]
The top level humans don't need conti anymore.
1) The top 5-10 hunt at BLGs now.
2) BLGs give better drops and stats than anything in conti.
3) LB's aren't the major reason for them going now that they mostly have epic 120 skill weapons and only want Pammy ones.
4) No INT mobs above wraiths (70 int max) in conti.
Without the rewards they aren't forced to go, and RvR from the perspective of even a top level human is not even close to gvw for fun or importance. Especially when the % is so low.
Either:
1) Adding a BLg spawn to conti
2) Adding a 1-2 day spawning Pammoth to conti
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3) Increasing Drazil's dropfile and stats
Would make human attendance much much higher at all wars.
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I gree 100% with this. If they put a mob into conti like NM's or prisms and add a decent boss worth killing onto conti like pammy, it would make a lot more of the higher levels turn upto wow. Just an idea though[/quote]
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#31 2014/01/18 12:21:45 |
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FUJITORA |
"BELKA"What is the motivation for turning up on the 3rd defence? That applies to both humans and devils - nobody can be bothered when the %s are off and they are at a huge disadvantage. Abais BLG needs removing and replacing with something worse but still as a viable alternative (I suggested Drazils in another thread, anyone who cant hunt blg in vod can still hunt drazils) Having BLGs with slightly better gains or drops added to conti, and suddenly every human that hunts blg will want conti. And something to do about nobody above 70+int needing conti, could put a nm / prism spawn with faster int gains or better drops in conti for the same reason. I do also like the Pamoth idea, pamoth weapons are just ridiculously rare atm.
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[quote="FUJITORA"][quote="BELKA"]What is the motivation for turning up on the 3rd defence? That applies to both humans and devils - nobody can be bothered when the %s are off and they are at a huge disadvantage.
The other issue is that the top level humans don't need conti anymore.
1) The top 5-10 hunt at BLGs now.
2) BLGs give better drops and stats than anything in conti.
3) LB's aren't the major reason for them going now that they mostly have epic 120 skill weapons and only want Pammy ones.
4) No INT mobs above wraiths (70 int max) in conti.
Without the rewards they aren't forced to go, and RvR from the perspective of even a top level human is not even close to gvw for fun or importance. Especially when the % is so low.
Either:
1) Adding a BLg spawn to conti
2) Adding a 1-2 day spawning Pammoth to conti
or
3) Increasing Drazil's dropfile and stats
Would make human attendance much much higher at all wars.[/quote]
Abais BLG needs removing and replacing with something worse but still as a viable alternative (I suggested Drazils in another thread, anyone who cant hunt blg in vod can still hunt drazils)
Having BLGs with slightly better gains or drops added to conti, and suddenly every human that hunts blg will want conti.
And something to do about nobody above 70+int needing conti, could put a nm / prism spawn with faster int gains or better drops in conti for the same reason.
I do also like the Pamoth idea, pamoth weapons are just ridiculously rare atm.
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#32 2014/01/18 13:54:27 |
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CARNAGE |
Well since we're having this glorious conversation about high level humans not needing conti, high level melee devils including myself don't need it either so if we're talking about BLG and weapons being added to conti, WBM better be a part of this conversation aswell.
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[quote="CARNAGE"]Well since we're having this glorious conversation about high level humans not needing conti, high level melee devils including myself don't need it either so if we're talking about BLG and weapons being added to conti, WBM better be a part of this conversation aswell.[/quote]
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#33 2014/01/18 14:49:07 |
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KING |
It needs to be an amazing reward for both races to win, without it being so, wars will continue to be lackluster.
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#34 2014/01/18 16:20:30 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"KING"It needs to be an amazing reward for both races to win, without it being so, wars will continue to be lackluster. Honestly I fear the same. |
#35 2014/01/18 16:51:24 |
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VEX |
You know for me a major part of turning up to WotW is for some "Fun" whatever happened to that reason?
Devil HP? humans have the same or higher from what i know , the humans i know at least,Some have over 600 even. Given the amount of humans compared to devils, when they are not being safezone huggers and out in force, Archers are hardly going to shutdown even a small number of the humans while taking so much magic damage. Here is another idea make the pos shop have some worthwhile items at reasonable prices, Rings/access could be added as a alternate way from souls or just the lesser ones or w/e you get the point. Gender pots, coloured shout scrolls hair dyes are all or have been sold for real money on the sites store, the only thing worth getting is 5th and thats for certain classes like sword ect.
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[quote="VEX"]You know for me a major part of turning up to WotW is for some "Fun" whatever happened to that reason?
Devil HP? humans have the same or higher from what i know , the humans i know at least,Some have over 600 even.
Given the amount of humans compared to devils, when they are not being safezone huggers and out in force, Archers are hardly going to shutdown even a small number of the humans while taking so much magic damage.
Here is another idea make the pos shop have some worthwhile items at reasonable prices, Rings/access could be added as a alternate way from souls or just the lesser ones or w/e you get the point.
Gender pots, coloured shout scrolls hair dyes are all or have been sold for real money on the sites store, the only thing worth getting is 5th and thats for certain classes like sword ect.
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#36 2014/01/18 17:51:32 |
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GILGAMESH |
"KING"It needs to be an amazing reward for both races to win. This. Currently if you hunt BLG you have absolutely no reason to want cont. Drazil's are pretty terrible to hunt because of the scattered spawn, and massive amount of lizardmen (who have low str but high defensive dex); their drops are also inferior.
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[quote="GILGAMESH"][quote="KING"]It needs to be an amazing reward for both races to win.[/quote]
This.
Currently if you hunt BLG you have absolutely no reason to want cont.
Drazil's are pretty terrible to hunt because of the scattered spawn, and massive amount of lizardmen (who have low str but high defensive dex); their drops are also inferior.
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#37 2014/01/18 18:09:50 |
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CYROX |
I like vex's suggestion. A more in depth pos shop.
Lets take a step backwards. Let's not talk about rewards such as 'add blg' because this is a temporary fix and imo won't drive players to participating much more than they do. The root of the problem is the war itself. Make the war fun, give the war meaning, and give pvp the rewards it deserves. Create a pos shop with items ranging from low lvl upgrades, materials, high lvl upgrades, rubies, diamonds, holy waters, pvp weapons. The list could be endless. And I am not talking about making these easy to get. But aomething to aim for. Something to give you a reason to want to get pos. encourage pvp and raiding. Obv something would have to be done to avoid pos farming on alt chars. But tbh I don't know if this is actually a problem atm.
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[quote="CYROX"]I like vex's suggestion. A more in depth pos shop.
Lets take a step backwards. Let's not talk about rewards such as 'add blg' because this is a temporary fix and imo won't drive players to participating much more than they do.
The root of the problem is the war itself. Make the war fun, give the war meaning, and give pvp the rewards it deserves. Create a pos shop with items ranging from low lvl upgrades, materials, high lvl upgrades, rubies, diamonds, holy waters, pvp weapons. The list could be endless. And I am not talking about making these easy to get. But aomething to aim for. Something to give you a reason to want to get pos. encourage pvp and raiding.
Obv something would have to be done to avoid pos farming on alt chars. But tbh I don't know if this is actually a problem atm. [/quote]
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#38 2014/01/18 18:41:01 |
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CARNAGE |
"CYROX"I like vex's suggestion. A more in depth pos shop. I agree with this idea aswell, there's nothing in the pos shop worth getting for a character like myself that already has 5th and now I have 8k more pos and nothing to do with it. |
#39 2014/01/18 18:49:01 |
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I don't think expanding the POS shop is the answer. While I'm not opposed to some additions to the POS shop, it It wouldn't necessarily entice people to participate in war, but you could rest assured it would encourage players to abuse POS farming away from war.
The Continental Army Map itself is what needs vast improvement for all level ranges. The entirety of both races should be wanting victory. The best hunting ground should be Continental Army Map, period. The obvious issue with improving the map for all level ranges, is that higher level raiders would prioritise targeting the lower-mid ranged level map owners. You would need to find some form of counter-balance for that. WoTW is a great feature, The Continental Army Map is a huge map and neither should be wasted.
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[quote="KING"]I don't think expanding the POS shop is the answer. While I'm not opposed to some additions to the POS shop, it It wouldn't necessarily entice people to participate in war, but you could rest assured it would encourage players to abuse POS farming away from war.
The Continental Army Map itself is what needs vast improvement for all level ranges. The entirety of both races should be wanting victory. The best hunting ground should be Continental Army Map, period.
The obvious issue with improving the map for all level ranges, is that higher level raiders would prioritise targeting the lower-mid ranged level map owners. You would need to find some form of counter-balance for that.
WoTW is a great feature, The Continental Army Map is a huge map and neither should be wasted.[/quote]
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#40 2014/01/18 21:57:26 |
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"CYROX" You are sort of right. The root of the problem is the war itself, in that Devils v Humans can never be balanced. The worlds are too different, as are the playstyles and items. You can even see it in how fast devils level. Even the hardcore 16h a day multis arent close to capping one stat yet on the human realm, whilst many strong devils are (I think) done with meaningful stat gain? Certainly from a human PoV it isn't such an appetizing prospect to go to war and face people who you can only kill with magic, who have 130+ DEX and most of them are ranged anyway. I imagine it is a lot more fun for devils, but it can'treally be fun for both on a regular basis. Therefore you need to offer rewards for coming, for both races. such as top level mobs or bosses on conti. It may seem like players just whining for more stuff from the developers, but why should people fight for something (other than trying to snipe pos) when there isn't a reward. The reward of conti was nice before, when people needed LBs and wraiths, but now it is mostly useless to the top humans and devils. "KING"I don't think expanding the POS shop is the answer. While I'm not opposed to some additions to the POS shop, it It wouldn't necessarily entice people to participate in war, but you could rest assured it would encourage players to abuse POS farming away from war. Exactly! Conti should be something everyone, on both sides, wants. Something worth risking your pos and a few hundred thousand in spammed pots and serums. You should feel like you missed out if the other race has conti. Currently the only humans who like conti are those who hunt between 78-95STR (BGs and LBs) and nobody who wants to train INT. If all there is to the conti map is a weekly war where you can't really see your character or pvp skills develop (because everything is regulated by % anyway) and that is all - then war attendence will be very low except on the occational first defence.
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[quote="BELKA"][quote="CYROX"]
The root of the problem is the war itself. Make the war fun, give the war meaning, and give pvp the rewards it deserves. [/quote]
You are sort of right. The root of the problem is the war itself, in that Devils v Humans can never be balanced.
The worlds are too different, as are the playstyles and items. You can even see it in how fast devils level. Even the hardcore 16h a day multis arent close to capping one stat yet on the human realm, whilst many strong devils are (I think) done with meaningful stat gain?
Certainly from a human PoV it isn't such an appetizing prospect to go to war and face people who you can only kill with magic, who have 130+ DEX and most of them are ranged anyway. I imagine it is a lot more fun for devils, but it can'treally be fun for both on a regular basis.
Therefore you need to offer rewards for coming, for both races. such as top level mobs or bosses on conti. It may seem like players just whining for more stuff from the developers, but why should people fight for something (other than trying to snipe pos) when there isn't a reward. The reward of conti was nice before, when people needed LBs and wraiths, but now it is mostly useless to the top humans and devils.
[quote="KING"]I don't think expanding the POS shop is the answer. While I'm not opposed to some additions to the POS shop, it It wouldn't necessarily entice people to participate in war, but you could rest assured it would encourage players to abuse POS farming away from war.
The Continental Army Map itself is what needs vast improvement for all level ranges. The entirety of both races should be wanting victory. The best hunting ground should be Continental Army Map, period.
The obvious issue with improving the map for all level ranges, is that higher level raiders would prioritise targeting the lower-mid ranged level map owners. You would need to find some form of counter-balance for that.
WoTW is a great feature, The Continental Army Map is a huge map and neither should be wasted.[/quote]
Exactly!
Conti should be something everyone, on both sides, wants. Something worth risking your pos and a few hundred thousand in spammed pots and serums. You should feel like you missed out if the other race has conti.
Currently the only humans who like conti are those who hunt between 78-95STR (BGs and LBs) and nobody who wants to train INT.
If all there is to the conti map is a weekly war where you can't really see your character or pvp skills develop (because everything is regulated by % anyway) and that is all - then war attendence will be very low except on the occational first defence.[/quote]
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#41 2014/01/19 04:22:34 |
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I'll keep it short as I don't have a lot of time.
The problems with WoW as I see it: - The amount of archers on dsoma (this annoys me greatly and is an annoyance rather than a problem). - The lack of steadily showing up from humans - The lack of reward from conti (use of pos PLUS lack of reason to want to hunt there). I will do anything I can to try and get a balance, and I do think (have always thought) that is is more than possible.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]I'll keep it short as I don't have a lot of time.
The problems with WoW as I see it:
- The amount of archers on dsoma (this annoys me greatly and is an annoyance rather than a problem).
- The lack of steadily showing up from humans
- The lack of reward from conti (use of pos PLUS lack of reason to want to hunt there).
I will do anything I can to try and get a balance, and I do think (have always thought) that is is more than possible.[/quote]
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#42 2014/01/19 11:51:45 |
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"KING"I don't think expanding the POS shop is the answer. While I'm not opposed to some additions to the POS shop, it It wouldn't necessarily entice people to participate in war, but you could rest assured it would encourage players to abuse POS farming away from war. Dont think much changes to the pos shop will change anything, its a very select few people who can actually get pos at wotw, and even fewer people who can get pos at sacred stone. These two groups of people overlap, and they already turn up to wotw anyway. Making it more worthwhile in terms of mobs / drops available to hunt in conti is more the way to go.
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[quote="FUJITORA"][quote="KING"]I don't think expanding the POS shop is the answer. While I'm not opposed to some additions to the POS shop, it It wouldn't necessarily entice people to participate in war, but you could rest assured it would encourage players to abuse POS farming away from war.[/quote]
Dont think much changes to the pos shop will change anything, its a very select few people who can actually get pos at wotw, and even fewer people who can get pos at sacred stone. These two groups of people overlap, and they already turn up to wotw anyway.
Making it more worthwhile in terms of mobs / drops available to hunt in conti is more the way to go.[/quote]
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#43 2014/01/19 14:49:56 |
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perhaps each 1-10 kill on conti = 1 pos.
two birds one stone - reason to want conti, reason to hunt on conti + PvE way to earn pos. |
#44 2014/01/19 14:52:10 |
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Could probably make all Conti mobs that give you stats have a small chance to drop a "POS bag" (similar to christmas and halloween events).
Right-click pos bag for 10 pos etc. Untradeable, with Devil and Human versions (to stop Devils from hunting in human conti and vice versa).
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Could probably make all Conti mobs that give you stats have a small chance to drop a "POS bag" (similar to christmas and halloween events).
Right-click pos bag for 10 pos etc.
Untradeable, with Devil and Human versions (to stop Devils from hunting in human conti and vice versa).[/quote]
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#45 2014/01/19 15:09:03 |
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