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The point is sorce that I dont believe the chinese started it. I believe ppl in dyn/eq started it. I believe this because of the experiences ive had in game with all three parties.
You on the other hand believe the dyn/eq side of the story. I had no problem with eq until the dyn members permanatly moved there around xmas time. I still had no real issues until our guild won gvw. So you believing that quimms behaviour the last week is due to me being outspoken is incorrect. In anycase, if people think that singling me out for being outspoken will shut me up are also mistaken. If people want me to stop wistle blowing on their behaviour all they have to do is stop acting like idiots. Simple realy! this topic was never about griefing and no one except you is refering to griefing. Its about ppl being able to go to low moral with impunity and preventing others from gaining stats by not letting them hunt.
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[quote="SCOIN"]The point is sorce that I dont believe the chinese started it. I believe ppl in dyn/eq started it. I believe this because of the experiences ive had in game with all three parties.
You on the other hand believe the dyn/eq side of the story.
I had no problem with eq until the dyn members permanatly moved there around xmas time. I still had no real issues until our guild won gvw. So you believing that quimms behaviour the last week is due to me being outspoken is incorrect.
In anycase, if people think that singling me out for being outspoken will shut me up are also mistaken. If people want me to stop wistle blowing on their behaviour all they have to do is stop acting like idiots.
Simple realy!
this topic was never about griefing and no one except you is refering to griefing. Its about ppl being able to go to low moral with impunity and preventing others from gaining stats by not letting them hunt.[/quote]
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#31 2014/01/17 10:59:39 |
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"SCOIN"this topic was never about griefing and no one except you is refering to griefing. Its about ppl being able to go to low moral with impunity and preventing others from gaining stats by not letting them hunt. Yeah, my bad - side tracked a bit because I wanted to distinguish what some people call grieffing is really just being PK'd.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="SCOIN"]this topic was never about griefing and no one except you is refering to griefing. Its about ppl being able to go to low moral with impunity and preventing others from gaining stats by not letting them hunt.[/quote]
Yeah, my bad - side tracked a bit because I wanted to distinguish what some people call grieffing is really just being PK'd.[/quote]
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#32 2014/01/17 11:05:26 |
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Not even nessaraly pkd but attacked everytime they go to hunt.
in the feed it only shows me dieing two or three times over the past week. And thats when one of them manages to stone me and several cast it doesnt show the many many more times ive been attacked or the few times ive killed the attacker. the feed should show grey deaths but thats the other topic.
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[quote="SCOIN"]Not even nessaraly pkd but attacked everytime they go to hunt.
in the feed it only shows me dieing two or three times over the past week. And thats when one of them manages to stone me and several cast it doesnt show the many many more times ive been attacked or the few times ive killed the attacker.
the feed should show grey deaths but thats the other topic.[/quote]
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#33 2014/01/17 11:14:58 |
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#34 2014/01/17 11:16:43 |
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"SCOIN"I believe ppl in dyn/eq started it. I believe this because of the experiences ive had in game with all three parties. This is what probably annoys us the most. You've literally got no idea how it started if thats what you believe. EQ & DY were the original rivalry, it was really heated between them. What do you think drove them to working together?
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[quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="SCOIN"]I believe ppl in dyn/eq started it. I believe this because of the experiences ive had in game with all three parties.
You on the other hand believe the dyn/eq side of the story.[/quote]
This is what probably annoys us the most. You've literally got no idea how it started if thats what you believe. EQ & DY were the original rivalry, it was really heated between them. What do you think drove them to working together?
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#35 2014/01/17 11:37:27 |
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"_SEPHIROTH_""SCOIN"I believe ppl in dyn/eq started it. I believe this because of the experiences ive had in game with all three parties. Which "us" I do believe that's a RB tag you have above your name.
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[quote="ISHARIE"][quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="SCOIN"]I believe ppl in dyn/eq started it. I believe this because of the experiences ive had in game with all three parties.
You on the other hand believe the dyn/eq side of the story.[/quote]
This is what probably annoys us the most. You've literally got no idea how it started if thats what you believe. EQ & DY were the original rivalry, it was really heated between them. What do you think drove them to working together?
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Which "us" I do believe that's a RB tag you have above your name.[/quote]
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#36 2014/01/17 11:41:23 |
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"_SEPHIROTH_""SCOIN"I believe ppl in dyn/eq started it. I believe this because of the experiences ive had in game with all three parties. im not disputing that the chinese gave them a hard time, im disputing why they gave them a hard time. we all hunted where chinese players hunted, it just some dealt with their hunting style in different ways.
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[quote="SCOIN"][quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="SCOIN"]I believe ppl in dyn/eq started it. I believe this because of the experiences ive had in game with all three parties.
You on the other hand believe the dyn/eq side of the story.[/quote]
This is what probably annoys us the most. You've literally got no idea how it started if thats what you believe. EQ & DY were the original rivalry, it was really heated between them. What do you think drove them to working together?
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im not disputing that the chinese gave them a hard time, im disputing why they gave them a hard time.
we all hunted where chinese players hunted, it just some dealt with their hunting style in different ways.
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#37 2014/01/17 11:41:29 |
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"SCOIN"im not disputing that the chinese gave them a hard time, im disputing why they gave them a hard time. Mate Chinese wasn't even on our radar, my first first experience of Chinese was hunting in pit an I had Leo mob stealing me and when isylver first implemented mob hp bars it showed ALL mobs hp so Leo would go around trying to get last hit on everyone's monsters. We'd done nothing at that point to antagonize Chinese we only had eyes for Dynamic, we didn't want anymore enemies. I know this wasn't just me either, it was happening to everyone in pit at that time. If I attacked his mobs back he didn't like it and would often call Style in. This stretched to D3 but by that time EQ an DY had allied but I know if you read back through the fourms you'll find plenty of accounts of people that had their mobs stolen even if they were in a neutral guild. Just bored of ignorant people who think the Chinese contingent were always here to play nice.
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[quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="SCOIN"]im not disputing that the chinese gave them a hard time, im disputing why they gave them a hard time.[/quote]
Mate Chinese wasn't even on our radar, my first first experience of Chinese was hunting in pit an I had Leo mob stealing me and when isylver first implemented mob hp bars it showed ALL mobs hp so Leo would go around trying to get last hit on everyone's monsters. We'd done nothing at that point to antagonize Chinese we only had eyes for Dynamic, we didn't want anymore enemies.
I know this wasn't just me either, it was happening to everyone in pit at that time. If I attacked his mobs back he didn't like it and would often call Style in. This stretched to D3 but by that time EQ an DY had allied but I know if you read back through the fourms you'll find plenty of accounts of people that had their mobs stolen even if they were in a neutral guild.
Just bored of ignorant people who think the Chinese contingent were always here to play nice.[/quote]
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#38 2014/01/17 11:53:08 |
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"_SEPHIROTH_""SCOIN"im not disputing that the chinese gave them a hard time, im disputing why they gave them a hard time. I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them. My guess would be this is a spill over from the test server the Chinese happened to be allies with NM who in turn were fighting from the test server, could be a tin foil hat theory though.
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[quote="ISHARIE"][quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="SCOIN"]im not disputing that the chinese gave them a hard time, im disputing why they gave them a hard time.[/quote]
Mate Chinese wasn't even on our radar, my first first experience of Chinese was hunting in pit an I had Leo mob stealing me and when isylver first implemented mob hp bars it showed ALL mobs hp so Leo would go around trying to get last hit on everyone's monsters. We'd done nothing at that point to antagonize Chinese we only had eyes for Dynamic, we didn't want anymore enemies.
I know this wasn't just me either, it was happening to everyone in pit at that time. If I attacked his mobs back he didn't like it and would often call Style in. This stretched to D3 but by that time EQ an DY had allied but I know if you read back through the fourms you'll find plenty of accounts of people that had their mobs stolen even if they were in a neutral guild.
Just bored of ignorant people who think the Chinese contingent were always here to play nice.[/quote]
I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them. My guess would be this is a spill over from the test server the Chinese happened to be allies with NM who in turn were fighting from the test server, could be a tin foil hat theory though.[/quote]
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#39 2014/01/17 12:04:45 |
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"ISHARIE""_SEPHIROTH_""SCOIN"im not disputing that the chinese gave them a hard time, im disputing why they gave them a hard time. All I know for sure is that the Chinese on the devil side are very different. I know of very very few issues with Asian players there. In fact I think they are welcomed by all.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="ISHARIE"][quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="SCOIN"]im not disputing that the chinese gave them a hard time, im disputing why they gave them a hard time.[/quote]
Mate Chinese wasn't even on our radar, my first first experience of Chinese was hunting in pit an I had Leo mob stealing me and when isylver first implemented mob hp bars it showed ALL mobs hp so Leo would go around trying to get last hit on everyone's monsters. We'd done nothing at that point to antagonize Chinese we only had eyes for Dynamic, we didn't want anymore enemies.
I know this wasn't just me either, it was happening to everyone in pit at that time. If I attacked his mobs back he didn't like it and would often call Style in. This stretched to D3 but by that time EQ an DY had allied but I know if you read back through the fourms you'll find plenty of accounts of people that had their mobs stolen even if they were in a neutral guild.
Just bored of ignorant people who think the Chinese contingent were always here to play nice.[/quote]
I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them. My guess would be this is a spill over from the test server the Chinese happened to be allies with NM who in turn were fighting from the test server, could be a tin foil hat theory though.[/quote]
All I know for sure is that the Chinese on the devil side are very different. I know of very very few issues with Asian players there. In fact I think they are welcomed by all.[/quote]
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They are and always have been to most people in hsoma side too which Is why I believe eq and dym must have treated them badly in the early days which has resulted in their feud.
I'm sure they just use the Chinese argument to justify treating others badly now. End of the day if their problem is with the Chinese then they should fight them not anyone else unless the other people are helping the Chinese, but they shouldn't confuse that with the Chinese freely getting involved when eq are attacking other people like me. On the odd occasion that they have come while im being attacked it hasn't been because ive asked them, its been because as eq have admitted, they have a feud with the Chinese so the Chinese attack them..
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[quote="SCOIN"]They are and always have been to most people in hsoma side too which Is why I believe eq and dym must have treated them badly in the early days which has resulted in their feud.
I'm sure they just use the Chinese argument to justify treating others badly now.
End of the day if their problem is with the Chinese then they should fight them not anyone else unless the other people are helping the Chinese, but they shouldn't confuse that with the Chinese freely getting involved when eq are attacking other people like me. On the odd occasion that they have come while im being attacked it hasn't been because ive asked them, its been because as eq have admitted, they have a feud with the Chinese so the Chinese attack them..[/quote]
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#41 2014/01/17 12:37:30 |
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"ISHARIE"I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them. Did what I say go through one ear an out the other? Or are you claiming I 'made up' what happened in the pit?
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[quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="ISHARIE"]I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them.[/quote]
Did what I say go through one ear an out the other? Or are you claiming I 'made up' what happened in the pit?
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#42 2014/01/17 12:38:43 |
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"_SEPHIROTH_""ISHARIE"I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them. I think you will find it started at raps!
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[quote="SCOIN"][quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="ISHARIE"]I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them.[/quote]
Did what I say go through one ear an out the other? Or are you claiming I 'made up' what happened in the pit?
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I think you will find it started at raps!
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#43 2014/01/17 12:41:26 |
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"_SEPHIROTH_""ISHARIE"I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them. It happened to me too but strangely enough EQ were doing it too, EQ still do it where as the Chinese got the general idea it wasn't a welcome playing style. Both sides were in the wrong but for some reason only EQ claim to be "fighting to save the server", I have played with Chinese who haven't taken part in the silly war you kept escalating they are fairly damn friendly, if I happen to need something they are happy to share what they have with me never asking for anything in return, I do of course help them when I can in return.
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[quote="ISHARIE"][quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="ISHARIE"]I think at one point some of the Chinese were here to play nice. As I heard it allot of them didn't multi until things heated up between EQ/DY and them.[/quote]
Did what I say go through one ear an out the other? Or are you claiming I 'made up' what happened in the pit?
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It happened to me too but strangely enough EQ were doing it too, EQ still do it where as the Chinese got the general idea it wasn't a welcome playing style. Both sides were in the wrong but for some reason only EQ claim to be "fighting to save the server", I have played with Chinese who haven't taken part in the silly war you kept escalating they are fairly damn friendly, if I happen to need something they are happy to share what they have with me never asking for anything in return, I do of course help them when I can in return.[/quote]
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#44 2014/01/17 12:53:03 |
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It is really fine as it is.
The only problem is if players who take no part in pollitics or dramas are harrassed without justification. That is when you have out-of-control bullies who are ruining the server. That isn't happening now, maybe it did for a short time at the start of the gasme when spawns were packed or a few individuals wanted to kill anyone. If you are running around with a guild tag that marks you as an enemy of another guild, then its pretty simple that you will be pk'd. If you mouth people off (especially people stronger than you) or act obnoxiously then that is justification for being pk'd. If you don't like that then leave your guild, get your guild to make a truce, or act in a more mature and polite manner. The state of affairs currently is that if you are in a neutral guild (say angels_fury or rebirth or sylver) and not a loud or cocky individual, then you will be permitted to hunt pretty much anywhere at any time by any other guild. If you pick a side in the war then expect to be involved in the war,
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[quote="BELKA"]It is really fine as it is.
The only problem is if players who take no part in pollitics or dramas are harrassed without justification. That is when you have out-of-control bullies who are ruining the server. That isn't happening now, maybe it did for a short time at the start of the gasme when spawns were packed or a few individuals wanted to kill anyone.
If you are running around with a guild tag that marks you as an enemy of another guild, then its pretty simple that you will be pk'd. If you mouth people off (especially people stronger than you) or act obnoxiously then that is justification for being pk'd.
If you don't like that then leave your guild, get your guild to make a truce, or act in a more mature and polite manner. The state of affairs currently is that if you are in a neutral guild (say angels_fury or rebirth or sylver) and not a loud or cocky individual, then you will be permitted to hunt pretty much anywhere at any time by any other guild.
If you pick a side in the war then expect to be involved in the war, [/quote]
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