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TYPHIN |
Your delusional m8, if you can't carry a conversation, don't start one.
You have yet to name one fact. You also ignored my conclusion time and time again. I'll play dev any day when it comes to RvR and often do. Learn to read more than first sentence |
#46 2018/04/05 07:41:31 |
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SAL3M |
"TYPHIN"Your delusional m8, if you can't carry a conversation, don't start one. I think what he's trying to say is that it isn't actually representative to compare 'like with like'. There has to be some kind of constant of proportionality to account for the fact that there are way less devils than humans and gear is much harder to acquire in d soma since there are far less players farming drops each day as well as far less people with crafting skill. It's for these sort of reasons that devils are purposefully OP 1v1, or like for like if you want, against humans. Imagine WoW where devils and humans were equal in power - it would just be totally imbalanced and pointless.
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[quote="SAL3M"][quote="TYPHIN"]Your delusional m8, if you can't carry a conversation, don't start one.
You have yet to name one fact.
You also ignored my conclusion time and time again. I'll play dev any day when it comes to RvR and often do. Learn to read more than first sentence [/quote]
I think what he's trying to say is that it isn't actually representative to compare 'like with like'.
There has to be some kind of constant of proportionality to account for the fact that there are way less devils than humans and gear is much harder to acquire in d soma since there are far less players farming drops each day as well as far less people with crafting skill.
It's for these sort of reasons that devils are purposefully OP 1v1, or like for like if you want, against humans.
Imagine WoW where devils and humans were equal in power - it would just be totally imbalanced and pointless.[/quote]
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#47 2018/04/05 07:52:15 |
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DOFLAMINGO |
You're talking about archers. Any non-ranged devil is screwed against even 2 humans with reasonable int and half a brain. Some mages almost one shot when they proc even without weaken. Two devil classes don't even get near the requirement for the robes everyone else can wear and upgrade.
The problem is archers have the highest MD and the best counter to human mages (ranged interruption) so they are doubly over-powered in most RvR scenarios. WIS should be reversed, axers should have the most and archers should have the least.
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[quote="DOFLAMINGO"]You're talking about archers. Any non-ranged devil is screwed against even 2 humans with reasonable int and half a brain. Some mages almost one shot when they proc even without weaken. Two devil classes don't even get near the requirement for the robes everyone else can wear and upgrade.
The problem is archers have the highest MD and the best counter to human mages (ranged interruption) so they are doubly over-powered in most RvR scenarios. WIS should be reversed, axers should have the most and archers should have the least.[/quote]
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#48 2018/04/05 08:24:32 |
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JAHEIRA |
Where well aware that human melee does nothing to devils, but the dmg from human magic is hugh, and the ability to stone/weaken and zombie makes mage op
So when your talking about wanting hsoma melee to dmg devils when human magic is as op to devils as devil melee is to humans, then alot of devils will call it rubbish Yes humans cant tank devils(devils cant tank human magic in numbers), but they win conti purely due to there numbers and dmg output from numbers, and it would be impossible to balance for 1v1 when humans can out number devils to the extent that devs cant even get into throne room This is purely coming from the fact that iv respeced before and maxed wis (devil magic def) no human mage would drop me with max wis, yet when in throne room out numbered, the dmg from the human numbers made me have to pot enough that as soon as zombie proced, I was dead For the archer argument, the new patch hasn't helped that as archer is currently the highest dps in pvp on dsoma current, in the future they will just be more archers and less of every other class unless somthing is done to tweak this
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[quote="JAHEIRA"]Where well aware that human melee does nothing to devils, but the dmg from human magic is hugh, and the ability to stone/weaken and zombie makes mage op
So when your talking about wanting hsoma melee to dmg devils when human magic is as op to devils as devil melee is to humans, then alot of devils will call it rubbish
Yes humans cant tank devils(devils cant tank human magic in numbers), but they win conti purely due to there numbers and dmg output from numbers, and it would be impossible to balance for 1v1 when humans can out number devils to the extent that devs cant even get into throne room
This is purely coming from the fact that iv respeced before and maxed wis (devil magic def) no human mage would drop me with max wis, yet when in throne room out numbered, the dmg from the human numbers made me have to pot enough that as soon as zombie proced, I was dead
For the archer argument, the new patch hasn't helped that as archer is currently the highest dps in pvp on dsoma current, in the future they will just be more archers and less of every other class unless somthing is done to tweak this
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#49 2018/04/05 08:46:13 |
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MUSASJI |
"TYPHIN"Your delusional m8, if you can't carry a conversation, don't start one. I replied to everything you said, you ignored everything I said and resorted to false accusations ONCE AGAIN. Hilarious, ironic and pretty dumb all at the same time. Thanks Dof, Sal3m and Jah for saving me the time of talking to a brick wall. For non closed minded and delusional idiots - if you compare damage v damage stood next to each other we look OP in our melee. In reality unless you use a bow you don't get anywhere near to be OP most of the time. In that case, surely when we do get next to you - we should hurt? You guys hit us from miles away and hurt just as much if not more. Also maybe magic needs a nerf as do dsoma archers tbh, I've never denied that. Dsoma melee certainly does not.
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[quote="MUSASJI"][quote="TYPHIN"]Your delusional m8, if you can't carry a conversation, don't start one.
You have yet to name one fact.
You also ignored my conclusion time and time again. I'll play dev any day when it comes to RvR and often do. Learn to read more than first sentence [/quote]
I replied to everything you said, you ignored everything I said and resorted to false accusations ONCE AGAIN. Hilarious, ironic and pretty dumb all at the same time.
Thanks Dof, Sal3m and Jah for saving me the time of talking to a brick wall.
For non closed minded and delusional idiots - if you compare damage v damage stood next to each other we look OP in our melee. In reality unless you use a bow you don't get anywhere near to be OP most of the time. In that case, surely when we do get next to you - we should hurt? You guys hit us from miles away and hurt just as much if not more. Also maybe magic needs a nerf as do dsoma archers tbh, I've never denied that. Dsoma melee certainly does not.[/quote]
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#50 2018/04/05 09:14:07 |
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MINGEPIECE |
dsoma mages get fked over in all forms of pvp
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#51 2018/04/05 11:42:51 |
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TYPHIN |
Ok,
I'm taking a step back here, cause its apparently always necessary to state the obvious each time. Things that are a given: Dsoma drops suck Dsoma melee classes get banged by chars like ganon the Canon Non spell casting builds in hsoma get banged by majority of dev classes Fair? Talking points are: What do we do about it? Cause its seems by the language used, Devs still feel its their right to bang all hsoma classes 1 to 1 and in some cases 1 to 3 cause they are so heavily outnumbered all the time in every RvR? That being the case, I see no reason to participate. And I dont see how folks see this as qq. Why should I be a meat shield for some mage to get kills? I'm not interested in that. The bs I'm not accepting is that somehow all Devs are poverty chars with no upgrades to their name which is just a lie.
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[quote="TYPHIN"]Ok,
I'm taking a step back here, cause its apparently always necessary to state the obvious each time.
Things that are a given:
Dsoma drops suck
Dsoma melee classes get banged by chars like ganon the Canon
Non spell casting builds in hsoma get banged by majority of dev classes
Fair?
Talking points are:
What do we do about it?
Cause its seems by the language used, Devs still feel its their right to bang all hsoma classes 1 to 1 and in some cases 1 to 3 cause they are so heavily outnumbered all the time in every RvR?
That being the case, I see no reason to participate. And I dont see how folks see this as qq. Why should I be a meat shield for some mage to get kills? I'm not interested in that.
The bs I'm not accepting is that somehow all Devs are poverty chars with no upgrades to their name which is just a lie. [/quote]
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#52 2018/04/05 15:17:07 |
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SAL3M |
"TYPHIN" The drops sucking plus the fact there are WAY less crafters go together to produce the poverty thing though - sure there are many devs with good items but there are far less as a proportion than humans with upped items. Plus on the Ganon thing it is basically anybody with average level of int that can drop a devil esp if they 5th axe then weaken & blast away.
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[quote="SAL3M"][quote="TYPHIN"]
Dsoma drops suck
Dsoma melee classes get banged by chars like ganon the Canon
The bs I'm not accepting is that somehow all Devs are poverty chars with no upgrades to their name which is just a lie. [/quote]
The drops sucking plus the fact there are WAY less crafters go together to produce the poverty thing though - sure there are many devs with good items but there are far less as a proportion than humans with upped items.
Plus on the Ganon thing it is basically anybody with average level of int that can drop a devil esp if they 5th axe then weaken & blast away.[/quote]
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#53 2018/04/05 15:24:26 |
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MUSASJI |
I can’t even dignify any more of your bs with a response, it really is like talking to a brick wall lol.
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#54 2018/04/05 15:29:45 |
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TYROZET |
The game is not designed for a human to 1v1 a devil
Dsoma has far less usercount regardless of any upgrades on either race Humans can 5th weaken zombie etc, I will say 2 well coordinated humans can take one devil easy but you will all deny that Devils want conti and turn up week in week out in numbers regardless of % to win, humans from what I personally believe only turn up when % is in there favour plus then conti rarely gets used by humans for whatever reason, I don't play hsoma so will make no assumptions on why not Though for example there has been nights where DL turn up to conti and we get mashed as they are well coordinated and tactical
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[quote="TYROZET"]The game is not designed for a human to 1v1 a devil
Dsoma has far less usercount regardless of any upgrades on either race
Humans can 5th weaken zombie etc, I will say 2 well coordinated humans can take one devil easy but you will all deny that
Devils want conti and turn up week in week out in numbers regardless of % to win, humans from what I personally believe only turn up when % is in there favour plus then conti rarely gets used by humans for whatever reason, I don't play hsoma so will make no assumptions on why not
Though for example there has been nights where DL turn up to conti and we get mashed as they are well coordinated and tactical [/quote]
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#55 2018/04/05 17:32:46 |
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BRAINSTORM |
i went to raid conti and i did not find 1 human about
"TYPHIN"Ok, who are you even?
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[quote="BRAINSTORM"]i went to raid conti and i did not find 1 human about
[quote="TYPHIN"]Ok,
I'm taking a step back here, cause its apparently always necessary to state the obvious each time.
Things that are a given:
Dsoma drops suck
Dsoma melee classes get banged by chars like ganon the Canon
Non spell casting builds in hsoma get banged by majority of dev classes
Fair?
Talking points are:
What do we do about it?
Cause its seems by the language used, Devs still feel its their right to bang all hsoma classes 1 to 1 and in some cases 1 to 3 cause they are so heavily outnumbered all the time in every RvR?
That being the case, I see no reason to participate. And I dont see how folks see this as qq. Why should I be a meat shield for some mage to get kills? I'm not interested in that.
The bs I'm not accepting is that somehow all Devs are poverty chars with no upgrades to their name which is just a lie. [/quote]
who are you even? [/quote]
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#56 2018/04/05 18:07:46 |
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CELTS |
"TYROZET"I think it's ridiculous +1 :D |
#57 2018/04/05 18:30:02 |
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