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Spear needs to be more powerful then Sword!!

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I think this is a must right now

A Sword does MORE damage then a Spear

This should not be the case at all!!

When new patch is released Spear items need to be far more superior then a Sword!
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[quote="ZARRICK"]I think this is a must right now A Sword does MORE damage then a Spear This should not be the case at all!! When new patch is released Spear items need to be far more superior then a Sword![/quote]
Why though? A sword can cut something in half a spear can impale it, tbh equal damage is about right, spear has range 2 and a sword only range 1, maybe giving spear another say 5/10 attack might be ok as a sword has better def as can carry a shield.
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[quote="ARYA_"]Why though? A sword can cut something in half a spear can impale it, tbh equal damage is about right, spear has range 2 and a sword only range 1, maybe giving spear another say 5/10 attack might be ok as a sword has better def as can carry a shield.[/quote]
sword = burst.
spear = sustained.
give them too much and there best DPS in game.
2ed is on a low CD.
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[quote="HOLLOW"]sword = burst. spear = sustained. give them too much and there best DPS in game. 2ed is on a low CD. [/quote]
Spear as supposed to be best DPS in game

We cant carry a shield.. Its an out an out DPS build

DPS vs DPS its meant to be better then axe or a sword

A Spear shouldnt be on the same DPS spec as a Sword... Simple as that
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[quote="ZELRIK"]Spear as supposed to be best DPS in game We cant carry a shield.. Its an out an out DPS build DPS vs DPS its meant to be better then axe or a sword A Spear shouldnt be on the same DPS spec as a Sword... Simple as that[/quote]
Problem here is you are comparing spear vs a 2h sword, 2h weaps are the dps option of every build, if you are saying sword isnt dps you should compare damage against 1h weaps at which point you're a long way ahead.
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[quote="DEIMOS"]Problem here is you are comparing spear vs a 2h sword, 2h weaps are the dps option of every build, if you are saying sword isnt dps you should compare damage against 1h weaps at which point you're a long way ahead. [/quote]
Ok then

A 2h sword does more damage then a 2h spear at the same level.

Not really should not be the case!!
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[quote="ZELRIK"]Ok then A 2h sword does more damage then a 2h spear at the same level. Not really should not be the case!![/quote]
Tried flagging this on a different post.
Spear 2h weaps are crap compared to 2h sword weaps.
Sword have 5th - the most powerful hit in game and it does it to multiple targets/decent cool down for what it can do.
Spear has 2nd - low cool down but attack is usually as good as a normal hit but it guarantees you can hit every 4-5 seconds.

We can't ever choose to go defensively so as soon as 2 players target us we are struggling
We need to be able to improve our 4th and 5th.
4th to make more damage than now/I previously recommended this should also be an added bonus to pierce through axe defense aura.
5th should recover a lot more hp / no1 uses it at the moment.. so if instead 5th does damage and regains hp.. we let it just regain hp x2 of what it does now and allow it to be used same time as a 2nd or 4th aura.. with 4sec cool down then it will start being useful during when you require defense.

IMO we haven't had much GM feedback recently on our ideas... I am sure they are busy but we are logging a lot of posts and can debate between each other but feels like a waste of time if we don't get much directions about the feasibility of them.
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[quote="AFRO"]Tried flagging this on a different post. Spear 2h weaps are crap compared to 2h sword weaps. Sword have 5th - the most powerful hit in game and it does it to multiple targets/decent cool down for what it can do. Spear has 2nd - low cool down but attack is usually as good as a normal hit but it guarantees you can hit every 4-5 seconds. We can't ever choose to go defensively so as soon as 2 players target us we are struggling We need to be able to improve our 4th and 5th. 4th to make more damage than now/I previously recommended this should also be an added bonus to pierce through axe defense aura. 5th should recover a lot more hp / no1 uses it at the moment.. so if instead 5th does damage and regains hp.. we let it just regain hp x2 of what it does now and allow it to be used same time as a 2nd or 4th aura.. with 4sec cool down then it will start being useful during when you require defense. IMO we haven't had much GM feedback recently on our ideas... I am sure they are busy but we are logging a lot of posts and can debate between each other but feels like a waste of time if we don't get much directions about the feasibility of them.[/quote]
lvl auras up
lvl 1
lvl2 so on
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[quote="MINGEPIECE"]lvl auras up lvl 1 lvl2 so on[/quote]
spear was never supposed to be the best DPS in the game it never was and never will be.
Sword always was the best DPS in the game since Esoma and that wont change.
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[quote="MANTICORE"]spear was never supposed to be the best DPS in the game it never was and never will be. Sword always was the best DPS in the game since Esoma and that wont change.[/quote]
"ZELRIK"Spear as supposed to be best DPS in game


This to be honest
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[quote="ALEXISONFIRE"][quote="ZELRIK"]Spear as supposed to be best DPS in game [/quote] This to be honest[/quote]
"ALEXISONFIRE"

This to be honest


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[quote="MANTICORE"][quote="ALEXISONFIRE"] This to be honest[/quote] [img]https://imgur.com/a/bF81GDI[/img][/quote]
At least on d soma the description claims 'knight', which is spear, is meant to be the defensive class with the most con so maybe if we're going off original intent for the class then they should just get a con buff to compensate for no shield option.
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[quote="SAL3M"]At least on d soma the description claims 'knight', which is spear, is meant to be the defensive class with the most con so maybe if we're going off original intent for the class then they should just get a con buff to compensate for no shield option.[/quote]
Good memory there Sal3m.

I started replying to this thread last night but just ended up a clusterfuck of a post so abandoned it.

In the most simple terms, Dsoma was designed to be different to Hsoma and for that, the classes play differently. In Hsoma, you cannot ignore the fact no one is forced to level with spear and is freely use something else (Although, it does need a boost in my opinion).

Anyway, my point is, the solution to Spear in Dsoma, needs to be about its class and how it PvPs but also trains in comparison to the other Dsoma classes. Only then take into account how it works in WoTW. And those changes unfortunately need to be isolated to Dsoma, and spear addressed separately in Hsoma on its own merits. Just because they made the races so completely different.
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[quote="FOXTRCK"]Good memory there Sal3m. I started replying to this thread last night but just ended up a clusterfuck of a post so abandoned it. In the most simple terms, Dsoma was designed to be different to Hsoma and for that, the classes play differently. In Hsoma, you cannot ignore the fact no one is forced to level with spear and is freely use something else (Although, it does need a boost in my opinion). Anyway, my point is, the solution to Spear in Dsoma, needs to be about its class and how it PvPs but also trains in comparison to the other Dsoma classes. Only then take into account how it works in WoTW. And those changes unfortunately need to be isolated to Dsoma, and spear addressed separately in Hsoma on its own merits. Just because they made the races so completely different.[/quote]
What Sal3m said,

I played spear from day 1 on original dsoma, and have played them a fair bit on here... they need a con buff...simple as that... they should be a mix between an axer and sword user (once having considered auras/shields etc to) i.e. higher def than they have now, but I don't think higher attack is warranted at all.
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[quote="SLAYER"]What Sal3m said, I played spear from day 1 on original dsoma, and have played them a fair bit on here... they need a con buff...simple as that... they should be a mix between an axer and sword user (once having considered auras/shields etc to) i.e. higher def than they have now, but I don't think higher attack is warranted at all.[/quote]
They do seem rather squishy
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[quote="DEIMOS"]They do seem rather squishy[/quote]

 

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