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[quote="PERFECT"]Why is the speed of many intense two handed axes D, but the speed of many crossbows e???[/quote]

[quote="BRAINSTORM"][quote="PERFECT"]Why is the speed of many intense two handed axes D, but the speed of many crossbows e???[/quote] all down to lucky rolls mate some xbows can be speed D at intense and some E[/quote]

[quote="DAENAERYS"][quote="BRAINSTORM"][quote="PERFECT"]Why is the speed of many intense two handed axes D, but the speed of many crossbows e???[/quote] all down to lucky rolls mate some xbows can be speed D at intense and some E[/quote] unfortunately tihis is the truth. [/quote]

[quote="MICKYC"]bows were deliberately nurfed a good while back to reduce the "myth of Bowma" effect[/quote]

[quote="ROCH"]Tagged weapon speed is calculated from two things: • Base weapon speed • Reduction % of weapon speed based on tag There are etween 3 and 6 different values dependant on base weapon speed and tag - The better the tag, the recoil reduction bonus is higher generally speaking; though there is some crossover. I believe recoil rolls for human and devil items are the same; hopefully im not wrong. So going off that... In the case of shadow sword, its recoil base is 1200; corrupted Xbow is 1175. If both are intense, they are going to have the same recoil bonuses granted to them . [b]Recoil rolls for shadow sword[/b] INTE=1128-1116-1104-1092-1080 [b]Approximate Recoil Rolls for corrupted Xbow[/b] INTE=1104-1092-1081-1070-1057*** ***Rolls for corrupted Xbow are based on similar weapon recoil reductions for intense tag. I dont beleive bow is a special case in terms of % reduction nerfs; there's normally just a lower base speed on the higher tag weapons. Even if these values are not bang on, they aoint going to be too far off. So, it looks like theres a 1/5 chance(ish) for a corrupted Xbow to roll speed E and a 3/5 chance for a shadow bow to roll E. You're just unlucky i guess. Here's a quote from a fantastic thread by Qiang a few years back regarding weapon speed and ToE predictions. Although nega weapons were'nt around at that time, its still just as useful as ever - just look up a weapon with the same base speed. For instance horned bow has same base rec (1150) as Bloodstained blade or Gore Lancet so those recoil values will apply for horned bow. The only item that needs a bit of tweaking for is corrupt xbow as nothing else has 1175 rec; so that'll just fall somewhere between 1150 and 1200 weapons [quote="QIANG"]Work in progress, more for myself to stop looking back through stuff but feel free to use. HH & PAN HARD=750-740-747-735-727 RARE=735-727-720-712 EPIC=720-712-705-697 INTE=712-705-697-690-682-674 LEG=682-674-667*-659*-652*-646* SB HARD=1000-980-970 RARE=980-970-960-950 EPIC=960-950-940 INTE=940-930-920-910-900 LEG=900-890-880-870-860-850 BSB+GL HARD=1150-1138-1127 RARE=1127-1115-1104-1092-1081 EPIC=1081-1069-1058*-1046* INTE=1046*-1035*-1023*-1012*-1000* LEG=1000*-989*-987*-976*-964* BWA+STINGER+PSY XBOW HARD=1100-1089-1078 RARE=1078-1067-1056-1045 EPIC=1045-1034-1023 INTE=1023-1012-1001-990 LEG=990-979-968-957-946-935 MM+PIKE HARD=1200-1188-1176-1164 RARE=1176-1164-1152-1140 EPIC=1152-1140-1128-1116 INTE=1128-1116-1104-1092-1080 LEG=1092-1080-1068-1056-1044-1032-1020 * means any value not confirmed but projected based on previous reductions. [/quote] Here's the link to the original thread. [url]https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=22223&title=HSoma+Weapon+Recoil+Reference+%26+ToE%2FSS+Prediction%28WiP%29&Page=1#post141070[/url] [/quote]