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"FUJITORA"Slightly off topic but anyone afk hunting / botting / whatever could / should receive a very large amount of penalty exp (couple levels atleast.)


Think i suggested this a coupleof months ago.... Instead of just sitting out a few days ban..they have to work it off. That way they have to play, and the usercount doesnt go down
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="FUJITORA"]Slightly off topic but anyone afk hunting / botting / whatever could / should receive a very large amount of penalty exp (couple levels atleast.) [/quote] Think i suggested this a coupleof months ago.... Instead of just sitting out a few days ban..they have to work it off. That way they have to play, and the usercount doesnt go down[/quote]
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"FUJITORA"Slightly off topic but anyone afk hunting / botting / whatever could / should receive a very large amount of penalty exp (couple levels atleast.)


Think i suggested this a coupleof months ago.... Instead of just sitting out a few days ban..they have to work it off. That way they have to play, and the usercount doesnt go down


Free Shav =D>
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[quote="SHAILO"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="FUJITORA"]Slightly off topic but anyone afk hunting / botting / whatever could / should receive a very large amount of penalty exp (couple levels atleast.) [/quote] Think i suggested this a coupleof months ago.... Instead of just sitting out a few days ban..they have to work it off. That way they have to play, and the usercount doesnt go down[/quote] Free Shav =D> [/quote]
When I played, I thought I was doing the right thing all the time - if I saw something dodgy I spoke up about it regardless of who it was.
I never went as far to install recording software in my pc.

I made a few reports while I played and I regret all of them in all honesty because I don't think any were handled great, I don't think the system works and if you leave it in the players hands things just escalate until they are out of control.

Bans are GM business, and if there is next to no presence in-game then there shouldn't be any bans.
You can't trust players to do your job for you, it just doesn't work.

Clearly trust is an issue in recruiting more people who can look out for suspicious behavior - if it's really that difficult and that much of an inconvenience then I would just stop banning people at the end of the day.
If your not willing or able to commit to handling it in somewhat of a professional manner then just give it up.

Known BRAV3HEART for example for a lot of years and there's no way he has cheated and as he says he's donated a good sum to this server.

It's a sad state of affairs.

I think the bans need to be banned. Unless witnessed by a GM and discussed with the player.

There are lots of folk on Dsoma who I was guilded with as a nub - just for example Order and Glad2 who are coming into their own now and I know different folk have had suspicions over them and many others - at the end of the day if there isn't hard evidence then leave them be and just let any childish tit for tat go. They certainly ain't bad people, we're all the same but if you want this game to survive people need to learn to talk to each other a bit more rather than talking about each other.

All drama I wasn't willing to put up with in my chill out time.

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[quote="THEHOOD"]When I played, I thought I was doing the right thing all the time - if I saw something dodgy I spoke up about it regardless of who it was. I never went as far to install recording software in my pc. I made a few reports while I played and I regret all of them in all honesty because I don't think any were handled great, I don't think the system works and if you leave it in the players hands things just escalate until they are out of control. Bans are GM business, and if there is next to no presence in-game then there shouldn't be any bans. You can't trust players to do your job for you, it just doesn't work. Clearly trust is an issue in recruiting more people who can look out for suspicious behavior - if it's really that difficult and that much of an inconvenience then I would just stop banning people at the end of the day. If your not willing or able to commit to handling it in somewhat of a professional manner then just give it up. Known BRAV3HEART for example for a lot of years and there's no way he has cheated and as he says he's donated a good sum to this server. It's a sad state of affairs. I think the bans need to be banned. Unless witnessed by a GM and discussed with the player. There are lots of folk on Dsoma who I was guilded with as a nub - just for example Order and Glad2 who are coming into their own now and I know different folk have had suspicions over them and many others - at the end of the day if there isn't hard evidence then leave them be and just let any childish tit for tat go. They certainly ain't bad people, we're all the same but if you want this game to survive people need to learn to talk to each other a bit more rather than talking about each other. All drama I wasn't willing to put up with in my chill out time. [/quote]
"THEHOOD"When I played, I thought I was doing the right thing all the time - if I saw something dodgy I spoke up about it regardless of who it was.
I never went as far to install recording software in my pc.

I made a few reports while I played and I regret all of them in all honesty because I don't think any were handled great, I don't think the system works and if you leave it in the players hands things just escalate until they are out of control.

Bans are GM business, and if there is next to no presence in-game then there shouldn't be any bans.
You can't trust players to do your job for you, it just doesn't work.

Clearly trust is an issue in recruiting more people who can look out for suspicious behavior - if it's really that difficult and that much of an inconvenience then I would just stop banning people at the end of the day.
If your not willing or able to commit to handling it in somewhat of a professional manner then just give it up.

Known BRAV3HEART for example for a lot of years and there's no way he has cheated and as he says he's donated a good sum to this server.

It's a sad state of affairs.

I think the bans need to be banned. Unless witnessed by a GM and discussed with the player.

There are lots of folk on Dsoma who I was guilded with as a nub - just for example Order and Glad2 who are coming into their own now and I know different folk have had suspicions over them and many others - at the end of the day if there isn't hard evidence then leave them be and just let any childish tit for tat go. They certainly ain't bad people, we're all the same but if you want this game to survive people need to learn to talk to each other a bit more rather than talking about each other.

All drama I wasn't willing to put up with in my chill out time.




i actually quite agree with you there hood.. i was banned for 7 days for posting a picture on here yeah ill admit was stupid thing to do but was funny. I then didnt log in for 3 days as i was working away and was banned for 30 days which was a tad unfair and i wasnt even aloud to explain myself. I actually quit the dsoma due to the fact every time i logged in i would be continuously killed me either goat evil_jr or pathologist so i gave my character away and started a human everything seems to be ok on this side so far but well see but im seriously considering uninstalling just like you did.
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[quote="GLADIATOR2"][quote="THEHOOD"]When I played, I thought I was doing the right thing all the time - if I saw something dodgy I spoke up about it regardless of who it was. I never went as far to install recording software in my pc. I made a few reports while I played and I regret all of them in all honesty because I don't think any were handled great, I don't think the system works and if you leave it in the players hands things just escalate until they are out of control. Bans are GM business, and if there is next to no presence in-game then there shouldn't be any bans. You can't trust players to do your job for you, it just doesn't work. Clearly trust is an issue in recruiting more people who can look out for suspicious behavior - if it's really that difficult and that much of an inconvenience then I would just stop banning people at the end of the day. If your not willing or able to commit to handling it in somewhat of a professional manner then just give it up. Known BRAV3HEART for example for a lot of years and there's no way he has cheated and as he says he's donated a good sum to this server. It's a sad state of affairs. I think the bans need to be banned. Unless witnessed by a GM and discussed with the player. There are lots of folk on Dsoma who I was guilded with as a nub - just for example Order and Glad2 who are coming into their own now and I know different folk have had suspicions over them and many others - at the end of the day if there isn't hard evidence then leave them be and just let any childish tit for tat go. They certainly ain't bad people, we're all the same but if you want this game to survive people need to learn to talk to each other a bit more rather than talking about each other. All drama I wasn't willing to put up with in my chill out time. [/quote] i actually quite agree with you there hood.. i was banned for 7 days for posting a picture on here yeah ill admit was stupid thing to do but was funny. I then didnt log in for 3 days as i was working away and was banned for 30 days which was a tad unfair and i wasnt even aloud to explain myself. I actually quit the dsoma due to the fact every time i logged in i would be continuously killed me either goat evil_jr or pathologist so i gave my character away and started a human everything seems to be ok on this side so far but well see but im seriously considering uninstalling just like you did.[/quote]
GLADIATOR2


i actually quite agree with you there hood.. i was banned for 7 days for posting a picture on here yeah ill admit was stupid thing to do but was funny. I then didnt log in for 3 days as i was working away and was banned for 30 days which was a tad unfair and i wasnt even aloud to explain myself. I actually quit the dsoma due to the fact every time i logged in i would be continuously killed me either goat evil_jr or pathologist so i gave my character away and started a human everything seems to be ok on this side so far but well see but im seriously considering uninstalling just like you did.


Yea bro - I don't miss it - I haven't uninstalled off old pc yet so if I wanna log and chat or whatever I can do but it's nice to be outta the telescope you feel your under with everyone against you.
At the minute I'm full of the cold so I'm bored outta my mind but on any normal day my wee boy don't leave me much spare time anyway.

No one should be forced out of the game or made to feel like that tbh - as I said in a thread before I always imagine my son growing up and playing games like this, I wouldn't want him getting bullied.

I've screwed around on the forum a lot, boredom more than anything - I've had some really difficult things going on in real life and at end of the day people need to take a step back sometimes and consider we are all people.

Hope Hsoma treats you good anyway Glad - at least it's a bit of soma time without the hassle ain't it.
Take care dude
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[quote="THEHOOD"][quote=]GLADIATOR2 i actually quite agree with you there hood.. i was banned for 7 days for posting a picture on here yeah ill admit was stupid thing to do but was funny. I then didnt log in for 3 days as i was working away and was banned for 30 days which was a tad unfair and i wasnt even aloud to explain myself. I actually quit the dsoma due to the fact every time i logged in i would be continuously killed me either goat evil_jr or pathologist so i gave my character away and started a human everything seems to be ok on this side so far but well see but im seriously considering uninstalling just like you did.[/quote] Yea bro - I don't miss it - I haven't uninstalled off old pc yet so if I wanna log and chat or whatever I can do but it's nice to be outta the telescope you feel your under with everyone against you. At the minute I'm full of the cold so I'm bored outta my mind but on any normal day my wee boy don't leave me much spare time anyway. No one should be forced out of the game or made to feel like that tbh - as I said in a thread before I always imagine my son growing up and playing games like this, I wouldn't want him getting bullied. I've screwed around on the forum a lot, boredom more than anything - I've had some really difficult things going on in real life and at end of the day people need to take a step back sometimes and consider we are all people. Hope Hsoma treats you good anyway Glad - at least it's a bit of soma time without the hassle ain't it. Take care dude[/quote]
"ISYLVER"AFK is simple really.

If myself or any other member of the team appears next to you and asks for a response. You respond. If we then see you switch from various monsters, run to attack others, run to restock during this time it's self explanitory what happens next.

We had a range of excuses yesterday such as "I wasn't afk I was cleaning my fish tank" .

P.S. If you use bots/macros and afk with them:

What I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my palus go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.


How about setting a software that will auto crash the client when the user wont press any letters, signs, numbers, or move your mouse. Can't blame other players to do afk while punching bugs that will take hours to kill. Or else make birthday bugs' HP to less than 100 for easy kill.
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[quote="SIR_ABSHOLOM"][quote="ISYLVER"]AFK is simple really. If myself or any other member of the team appears next to you and asks for a response. You respond. If we then see you switch from various monsters, run to attack others, run to restock during this time it's self explanitory what happens next. We had a range of excuses yesterday such as "I wasn't afk I was cleaning my fish tank" . P.S. If you use bots/macros and afk with them: What I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my palus go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you. [/quote] How about setting a software that will auto crash the client when the user wont press any letters, signs, numbers, or move your mouse. Can't blame other players to do afk while punching bugs that will take hours to kill. Or else make birthday bugs' HP to less than 100 for easy kill. [/quote]
"THEHOOD"When I played, I thought I was doing the right thing all the time - if I saw something dodgy I spoke up about it regardless of who it was.
I never went as far to install recording software in my pc.

I made a few reports while I played and I regret all of them in all honesty because I don't think any were handled great, I don't think the system works and if you leave it in the players hands things just escalate until they are out of control.

Bans are GM business, and if there is next to no presence in-game then there shouldn't be any bans.
You can't trust players to do your job for you, it just doesn't work.

Clearly trust is an issue in recruiting more people who can look out for suspicious behavior - if it's really that difficult and that much of an inconvenience then I would just stop banning people at the end of the day.
If your not willing or able to commit to handling it in somewhat of a professional manner then just give it up.

Known BRAV3HEART for example for a lot of years and there's no way he has cheated and as he says he's donated a good sum to this server.

It's a sad state of affairs.

I think the bans need to be banned. Unless witnessed by a GM and discussed with the player.

There are lots of folk on Dsoma who I was guilded with as a nub - just for example Order and Glad2 who are coming into their own now and I know different folk have had suspicions over them and many others - at the end of the day if there isn't hard evidence then leave them be and just let any childish tit for tat go. They certainly ain't bad people, we're all the same but if you want this game to survive people need to learn to talk to each other a bit more rather than talking about each other.

All drama I wasn't willing to put up with in my chill out time.



I don't like the idea of no bans, however i don't think it's meant to come across as that and more of a "if the gm didn't witness it, don't ban" sorta thing which i completely agree with, this is possibly the most sensible reply here.
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[quote="KAIDONE"][quote="THEHOOD"]When I played, I thought I was doing the right thing all the time - if I saw something dodgy I spoke up about it regardless of who it was. I never went as far to install recording software in my pc. I made a few reports while I played and I regret all of them in all honesty because I don't think any were handled great, I don't think the system works and if you leave it in the players hands things just escalate until they are out of control. Bans are GM business, and if there is next to no presence in-game then there shouldn't be any bans. You can't trust players to do your job for you, it just doesn't work. Clearly trust is an issue in recruiting more people who can look out for suspicious behavior - if it's really that difficult and that much of an inconvenience then I would just stop banning people at the end of the day. If your not willing or able to commit to handling it in somewhat of a professional manner then just give it up. Known BRAV3HEART for example for a lot of years and there's no way he has cheated and as he says he's donated a good sum to this server. It's a sad state of affairs. I think the bans need to be banned. Unless witnessed by a GM and discussed with the player. There are lots of folk on Dsoma who I was guilded with as a nub - just for example Order and Glad2 who are coming into their own now and I know different folk have had suspicions over them and many others - at the end of the day if there isn't hard evidence then leave them be and just let any childish tit for tat go. They certainly ain't bad people, we're all the same but if you want this game to survive people need to learn to talk to each other a bit more rather than talking about each other. All drama I wasn't willing to put up with in my chill out time. [/quote] I don't like the idea of no bans, however i don't think it's meant to come across as that and more of a "if the gm didn't witness it, don't ban" sorta thing which i completely agree with, this is possibly the most sensible reply here.[/quote]
Find me any game where GM's share evidence, and I will consider it.
Find me any game where GM's approach the cheaters and kindly 'discuss' the fact and I might consider it.

It takes me at least 2-3 minutes to open my ban log in google drive and use the website to check the IP's of the account in question. This is AFTER I have spent some time ingame seeing if someone is afk. If you can't reply in that time you are away from your keyboard. How do I know this? You didn't type.



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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Find me any game where GM's share evidence, and I will consider it. Find me any game where GM's approach the cheaters and kindly 'discuss' the fact and I might consider it. It takes me at least 2-3 minutes to open my ban log in google drive and use the website to check the IP's of the account in question. This is AFTER I have spent some time ingame seeing if someone is afk. If you can't reply in that time you are away from your keyboard. How do I know this? You didn't type. [/quote]
"GHOSTLORD"Find me any game where GM's share evidence, and I will consider it.
Find me any game where GM's approach the cheaters and kindly 'discuss' the fact and I might consider it.

It takes me at least 2-3 minutes to open my ban log in google drive and use the website to check the IP's of the account in question. This is AFTER I have spent some time ingame seeing if someone is afk. If you can't reply in that time you are away from your keyboard. How do I know this? You didn't type.


As you have said yourself many times though, you can't compare soma to other games. I have no idea if in other games they discuss bans with players, but equally in other games they don't rely on user-submitted 'evidence' for a lot of their bans.

The issue seems to have gotten a bit out of hand at the moment. The ban for one of DL's members recently was completely illogical, and had the player in question been given the chance to put his side of the story forward I doubt a ban would have been handed out, but there's no chance to do so. You decided a ban was warranted based on whatever proof was provided at the time and that was the end of it. No questions asked.

I think sometimes there needs to be some kind of discussion between the player and yourself before a final decision is made.
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[quote="CYROX"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]Find me any game where GM's share evidence, and I will consider it. Find me any game where GM's approach the cheaters and kindly 'discuss' the fact and I might consider it. It takes me at least 2-3 minutes to open my ban log in google drive and use the website to check the IP's of the account in question. This is AFTER I have spent some time ingame seeing if someone is afk. If you can't reply in that time you are away from your keyboard. How do I know this? You didn't type. [/quote] As you have said yourself many times though, you can't compare soma to other games. I have no idea if in other games they discuss bans with players, but equally in other games they don't rely on user-submitted 'evidence' for a lot of their bans. The issue seems to have gotten a bit out of hand at the moment. The ban for one of DL's members recently was completely illogical, and had the player in question been given the chance to put his side of the story forward I doubt a ban would have been handed out, but there's no chance to do so. You decided a ban was warranted based on whatever proof was provided at the time and that was the end of it. No questions asked. I think sometimes there needs to be some kind of discussion between the player and yourself before a final decision is made.[/quote]
"GHOSTLORD"Find me any game where GM's share evidence, and I will consider it.
Find me any game where GM's approach the cheaters and kindly 'discuss' the fact and I might consider it.

It takes me at least 2-3 minutes to open my ban log in google drive and use the website to check the IP's of the account in question. This is AFTER I have spent some time ingame seeing if someone is afk. If you can't reply in that time you are away from your keyboard. How do I know this? You didn't type.





This isnt like any other game.

The usercount is that small that a little extra time should be taken when considering a ban. ban 1 person and it actually hurts the usercount its not like world of warcraft were 1 person is nothing in there 8 million usercount. 1 person is maybe 2% of the usercount?

Every ban kills the game. People even get perma banned from "evidence" sent in by other players. if its going to be a perma ban more thought needs to go into in.

User evidence for maybe a week? if its blatant in the "evidence" that the person was "cheating"


Chro
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[quote="CHRONOS"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]Find me any game where GM's share evidence, and I will consider it. Find me any game where GM's approach the cheaters and kindly 'discuss' the fact and I might consider it. It takes me at least 2-3 minutes to open my ban log in google drive and use the website to check the IP's of the account in question. This is AFTER I have spent some time ingame seeing if someone is afk. If you can't reply in that time you are away from your keyboard. How do I know this? You didn't type. [/quote] This isnt like any other game. The usercount is that small that a little extra time should be taken when considering a ban. ban 1 person and it actually hurts the usercount its not like world of warcraft were 1 person is nothing in there 8 million usercount. 1 person is maybe 2% of the usercount? Every ban kills the game. People even get perma banned from "evidence" sent in by other players. if its going to be a perma ban more thought needs to go into in. User evidence for maybe a week? if its blatant in the "evidence" that the person was "cheating" Chro [/quote]
Maybe if cheating wasn't considered normal amongst the users we wouldn't have to have such strict punishments.

By the way, do you remember when I started at the end of last year when I was 'nice'? Think about how I listened to the cheaters then. I got used and abused. You've had your chance.

It's not like I can truly win. The fact that everybody is 'scared' for bans is a good sign though. I'll happily continue on my path.

And yes, this game is like many many other games. It's just the usercount that is smaller, but even there I strongly believe they behave the same way as any other indigame.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Maybe if cheating wasn't considered normal amongst the users we wouldn't have to have such strict punishments. By the way, do you remember when I started at the end of last year when I was 'nice'? Think about how I listened to the cheaters then. I got used and abused. You've had your chance. It's not like I can truly win. The fact that everybody is 'scared' for bans is a good sign though. I'll happily continue on my path. And yes, this game is like many many other games. It's just the usercount that is smaller, but even there I strongly believe they behave the same way as any other indigame. [/quote]
People are only annoyed because you give out bans like there's no tomorrow with seemingly little to no evidence sometimes, on contentious issues that aren't clear cut.

Fear of being caught botting is fine, but legit players are worried if they don't respond to every random person that walks up to them, they'll be branded a botter, or if they stand in a certain place they'll be banned for some random reason.

I feel it's too much and it's too far. I guess we just have to hope we're not unlucky enough to be deemed in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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[quote="CYROX"]People are only annoyed because you give out bans like there's no tomorrow with seemingly little to no evidence sometimes, on contentious issues that aren't clear cut. Fear of being caught botting is fine, but legit players are worried if they don't respond to every random person that walks up to them, they'll be branded a botter, or if they stand in a certain place they'll be banned for some random reason. I feel it's too much and it's too far. I guess we just have to hope we're not unlucky enough to be deemed in the wrong place at the wrong time.[/quote]
"CYPHUS"
"BRADLEY_COLE"isylver catched me botting at palus yeah i gave him the bot and i didnt ever do it again and 110 str no was 95 str



caught*




when he "catched you" did u reply "ill been catched"? lol
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[quote="SHANKS"][quote="CYPHUS"][quote="BRADLEY_COLE"]isylver catched me botting at palus yeah i gave him the bot and i didnt ever do it again and 110 str no was 95 str [/quote] caught*[/quote] when he "catched you" did u reply "ill been catched"? lol[/quote]
"CYROX"People are only annoyed because you give out bans like there's no tomorrow with seemingly little to no evidence sometimes, on contentious issues that aren't clear cut.

Fear of being caught botting is fine, but legit players are worried if they don't respond to every random person that walks up to them, they'll be branded a botter, or if they stand in a certain place they'll be banned for some random reason.

I feel it's too much and it's too far. I guess we just have to hope we're not unlucky enough to be deemed in the wrong place at the wrong time.


When viewing submitted evidence someone not responding to somebody is generally not enough. I look for unhuman behaviour as well as things that are impossible to do with a normal client. This in the past has put off reporters because they feel I don't do much with their reports.

However, when I'm ingame myself it's clear that I'm a gamemaster. As Sylver said in the first page, when a GM is standing next to you you should respond.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="CYROX"]People are only annoyed because you give out bans like there's no tomorrow with seemingly little to no evidence sometimes, on contentious issues that aren't clear cut. Fear of being caught botting is fine, but legit players are worried if they don't respond to every random person that walks up to them, they'll be branded a botter, or if they stand in a certain place they'll be banned for some random reason. I feel it's too much and it's too far. I guess we just have to hope we're not unlucky enough to be deemed in the wrong place at the wrong time.[/quote] When viewing submitted evidence someone not responding to somebody is generally not enough. I look for unhuman behaviour as well as things that are impossible to do with a normal client. This in the past has put off reporters because they feel I don't do much with their reports. However, when I'm ingame myself it's clear that I'm a gamemaster. As Sylver said in the first page, when a GM is standing next to you you should respond.[/quote]
Edited as cant be bothered flogging a dead horse
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[quote="CHRONOS"]Edited as cant be bothered flogging a dead horse[/quote]

 

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