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[quote="4634"]As the anvil is more than likely going to break valour weapons going to +8 obviosuly not really as applicable to staff but for the other weapons what are the odds of getting to +8 on first weapon? Would be nice to see an increase in valour scrolls obtained for doing quest or keep the rewards as they are now with less mobs and more quests. [/quote]

[quote="SPEKKET"]-1 This is a cringeworthy post that barely even tries to hide the self-interest that underlined the thought process behind it. Upgrade system is exactly the same with new weapons as it is with nega weapons or any other item. So that should answer your query there... As for valour scrolls... of course they ain’t going to make it easier just because you haven’t got enough valour to get an epic of the new weapons yet. [/quote]

[quote="4634"][quote="SPEKKET"]-1 This is a cringeworthy post that barely even tries to hide the self-interest that underlined the thought process behind it. Upgrade system is exactly the same with new weapons as it is with nega weapons or any other item. So that should answer your query there... As for valour scrolls... of course they ain’t going to make it easier just because you haven’t got enough valour to get an epic of the new weapons yet. [/quote] well ye i wanna be able to compete obviosuly not hiding it mate 6k hours sitll yet to make a nega weapon let alone a valour weapon! seen people who was commenitng about the valour quests in game Lots of suggestions have made since i been playing. These suggestions has been ignored due to dismissive selfish comments such as this. I just looked at your character and cant say im surprised of your commentery now given which side of the alliance your at, Sadly dl hold a large proption and as they say one bad apple ruins the bunch. Dl will do anything to sustain their domination no matter the cost to the community [/quote]

[quote="POINTE"]mr 297 rec nega knux and still bitching ? fuck me do you ever stop moaning all this trophy mage gear and a sub 300 recoil no skill involved knuckle and your still moaning all you do is kill players who focus on pve why are you in such a rush, hoarde isnt even out yet , you scared their due to fight back and rebel against you anytime soon or something?[/quote]

[quote="TYRESE"]Lol ^ I believe that’s what you call hitting the nail on the head?[/quote]

[quote="THE_D0N"]Imho, i dont think the new weps should have the chance for a +8. The redic speeds atm are insane. I get the wanting for an 8 dont get me wrong, but 400- bows 300- knuckles? With the damaged increase aswell on the new weps i recon should be a cap. +5 ss would still end up a speedy item lwt alone the 8ss . With valour scrolls, i recon should be like eveeything else. Mintons u only get in conti ye not asmuch as a reward but u can only use in conti. Valour has a bigger reward but u have quests/ events to obtain even without the need of conti. So i recon valour should be ok for the time being amd introduce things in gradually. After x period of tine then make a minor adjustment. As if u make a huge chage and it becomes easily accessible whos going to be happy with an epic wep when if that was easy enough you may aswell get 2 to try and int? Again just my opinion. D0n :) [/quote]

[quote="LUPISCUS"]that's coz ur a mage don +8's please and more valour ! x[/quote]

[quote="THE_D0N"]D0n's still lv125, i have more than the 1 char to kit out. Kitting it isnt an issue as it gets there when it gets there, ahould be same sort of thing as weps, atm im sitting in 400+ ep no rush to use em. Shouldnt be rushing for wanting " best " stuff and wanting withing the 2 months of release. Im not really on for crystal runs , ive done most of the quest ( 0-125 ) there was another thread that i think temeroso made ahowing theres queats for 100+ valour for free via qusts, thats closing in on the rare at least without the likes of capturing a flag or activating a crystal.[/quote]

[quote="DORGONAS"]I think the biggest mistake this server made was not capping recoil upgrades to like a quarter of the orig Speeds. That and having all these no skill upgrades that go to +8. No skill upgrades could have been capped at 4/5 then need a decent crafter for the rest.[/quote]

[quote="4634"][quote="POINTE"]mr 297 rec nega knux and still bitching ? fuck me do you ever stop moaning all this trophy mage gear and a sub 300 recoil no skill involved knuckle and your still moaning all you do is kill players who focus on pve why are you in such a rush, hoarde isnt even out yet , you scared their due to fight back and rebel against you anytime soon or something?[/quote] Why be so negative? Stating player feed back that could lead to players reutrning? FYI no nega nux at 297 soz. zzz[/quote]

[quote="4634"][quote="THE_D0N"]D0n's still lv125, i have more than the 1 char to kit out. Kitting it isnt an issue as it gets there when it gets there, ahould be same sort of thing as weps, atm im sitting in 400+ ep no rush to use em. Shouldnt be rushing for wanting " best " stuff and wanting withing the 2 months of release. Im not really on for crystal runs , ive done most of the quest ( 0-125 ) there was another thread that i think temeroso made ahowing theres queats for 100+ valour for free via qusts, thats closing in on the rare at least without the likes of capturing a flag or activating a crystal.[/quote] Issue is with the events you stated players need to make sure their not working or dont have kids etc to look after. Hence i have previously stated about rotating the time and days of events to as some people work shifts or long days or in other parts of the world where if they want to currently particpate the expectation is they have to wake up at like 2-5 am for some players! DL emphasise its a EU server even tho its hosted from an american or canadian location and the UK have left the EU. Its also not about rushing for best stuff its being at a point where you can compete considering all possible evaluations like double numbers etc. Like they do with every other game that i have ever played, kind of like dan has done with the 1.5 rates for under 125 - i think thats a brilliant idea. for the leveling side of things As for the gearing the more bosses are great but its same issue as before where its same people killing, Dont know how big berthda works tho seems more random. I dont think having nore quests with alot less mobs to kill and same reward is unreasonable because like i said other than staff the melee side of things is very unliekly to make +8 on your first weapon , and i think there should be enough quests to make the 450 valour mark until hoarde mode is added. Im not digging at anyone but the anvil does deter players when trying to compete the farming and the timee invested is great, the reward for that time is not so great when the anvil decides to break it., the weapons is an opoprutntiy for fresh compeition and improved pvp balance but it just seems so unachieveable atm, @Daenaerys not even made a stinger +8 let alone a nega weapon - and never mind trying to get the weapons and the damage you also need the recoil like look at dares/kyuss bow like 350-400 recoil for a bow?!!! nux nearing 250 recoil - it sets new mile stones in the game [/quote]

[quote="RAVENSOUL"][quote="DORGONAS"]I think the biggest mistake this server made was not capping recoil upgrades to like a quarter of the orig Speeds. That and having all these no skill upgrades that go to +8. No skill upgrades could have been capped at 4/5 then need a decent crafter for the rest.[/quote] Completely agree, recoil should have been capped per weapon type. Just increasing the recoil at each new weapon tier, just makes players turn to SS there newer weapons even more than before. You need to make players want to use other upgrades over reducing recoil to make the transition from machine gun speeds to other aspects but I won’t hold my breath on that one. The gm’s have the power, tools to cap recoils. If it happened some would be pissed, but others much happier. If it doesn’t change, then we will just go round in circles. Chance of a +8 is basically just luck...... Take a coin, any coin you can get your hand on.... With the guarantee +2 just 6 simply moves.... See if you can spin that coin to get 6 heads in a row. Or see if you can spin that coin to get 6 tails in a row. That’s basically the anvil however you wish to spin it.[/quote]