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[quote="NITE"]Right now there is a big UNBALANCE between the DPS new Valour weps are dishing out vs the Defence that out dated Bitter Bone and Titus armours offer. And lets not mention the difference between Dsoma Valour weps to the miniscule defence BB and Titus armour offers, and settling for [Hardened] Champ armour just doesnt cut it. I mean put devs to 100% for one Wotw and see how unbalanced everything is.... But thank god for the % stat debuff system or humans would never be winning Wotw. Also Devs have substancially more dex than Humans so even wearing evasion wouldn't save your ass from imminent death. Champion Armour is only available right now through questing of if you want to spend 300 scrolls for an [Epic] piece you can go for it but time/reward I wouldn't recommend. Not only to mention that the majority of the Champion armour out there right now is [Hardened] tag which offers ok defence but not enough VS the DPS valour weps are dishing out. We cant accept as a community that we've been walking around in 10-20 def bitter bone and 12-28 [INTENSE] Titus when theres weps out there with 110 min damage and 160 max damage just as an example. So what we NEED is for champion armour to become much, much more attainable so that the community can get online and start farming for it, we need [Epic] [Intense] minimum to balance out the crazy DPS the New Valour Weps are dishing out, not only human but also for wotw. Even if you have to add one or two new bosses to the game so to farm Champ, But I strongly agree that it should be added to Bosses like Negamare/Ulti and also added to the drop files of, Vafer Raps, Prism Spiders, Elder Magma beasts (At the same rate thast Titus drops). Ty for reading this far[/quote]

[quote="ADVANTAGE"][img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-12/256/upside-down-face.png[/img] dont buy weapons with your valour and buy armour?[/quote]

[quote="NITE"]Bumpy[/quote]

[quote="KAZOKU"]Isylver discussed about making the valor armor a drop from horde wave 10s boss mobs[/quote]

[quote="TUMBLEWEED"][quote="KAZOKU"]Isylver discussed about making the valor armor a drop from horde wave 10s boss mobs[/quote] Good idea provided mages and warriors have an equal chance of getting the kill. We don't want another knuc/spear killing boss please. That being said, support chars are still shit out.[/quote]

[quote="STREGOBOR"][quote="TUMBLEWEED"][quote="KAZOKU"]Isylver discussed about making the valor armor a drop from horde wave 10s boss mobs[/quote] Good idea provided mages and warriors have an equal chance of getting the kill. We don't want another knuc/spear killing boss please. That being said, support chars are still shit out.[/quote] we already have plenty of bosses with 500 dex.... which imo gives a mage a higher chance of getting due to the fact he doesnt miss a hit. You tried do ultimapuss with just 2 melle? [/quote]

[quote="NITE"]I do agree that it is hard to balance a boss when 3 classes exist for killing bosses. But I feel like I mentioned before this would only be an issue if the armour wasn't dropping from mobs. It's sad but 90% of people are still running around in bitter bone and titus so it should be made more attainable. Adding the armour to a boss drop is the right step forward but I also think the valour prices from the shop should be halved. Instead of 300 for an epic piecec it should be 150, which means if you want a full epic set you would still need 600 scrolls which is a lot to ask for. At the moment if you want a full epic set it will set you back 1200 valour scrolls.... I'm all for the idea for adding another farming mob too, more bosses, more valour drops and yes as @Tumbleweed says support chars do sacrifice getting bosses when the majority of the bosses go to knuxors / spears and high dps mages. I understand that when valour is introduced it will help people get champion armour a bit but it still wont be enough.[/quote]

[quote="TUMBLEWEED"][quote="STREGOBOR"][quote="TUMBLEWEED"][quote="KAZOKU"]Isylver discussed about making the valor armor a drop from horde wave 10s boss mobs[/quote] Good idea provided mages and warriors have an equal chance of getting the kill. We don't want another knuc/spear killing boss please. That being said, support chars are still shit out.[/quote] we already have plenty of bosses with 500 dex.... which imo gives a mage a higher chance of getting due to the fact he doesnt miss a hit. You tried do ultimapuss with just 2 melle? [/quote] This isn't a case of "yea but you have a better chance of killing this boss". Personally can't find any relevant boss that has 500+ dex, that includes Ultimapus. I think your use of the word "plenty" is somewhat exaggerated. But thanks for the input... one boss that melee don't have the upper hand on. My point is, get the balance right while horde mode is still in testing. Not the same situation as Nega which mages originally dominated, it was subsequently "balanced" and now melee get the kill every single time and it's stats haven't been touched since. If balancing a boss is too difficult or even impossible, I'd consider having a mage boss one level and a melee boss the next boss level and repeat.[/quote]

[quote="SYONIDE"]even if we dont get em as drops reducing the valour cost must be the first step an 50/100/150 price on valour should make em more acessible numbers might need abit tweaking [/quote]

[quote="NITE"][quote="SYONIDE"]even if we dont get em as drops reducing the valour cost must be the first step an 50/100/150 price on valour should make em more acessible numbers might need abit tweaking [/quote] 100% The price should be 50/100/150 100%. Saving up 150x2 for a chance at an Intense piece is completely viable. In regards to Champion armour being added to mobs and bosses, In my opinion it's a no brainer because we (currently) farm mags and mostly only get Bitter Bone which was released at the start of the server, Titus drops too but a lesser drop rate. It's a pretty sad state when the main reason for farming Mags is to get barr. (If you wanna read) - I explain why Mags are only good for barr. [spoiler]Currently the trade market is dominated mainly by people wanting Small diamonds or Barr for their items, which is due to the decrease in drop rate of small diamonds from Devil Fish and Palus. Barr is valuable nowadays because of needing Gold Piles to buy stuff, such as Valour Weps and Quests. Which means Mags are only good for Barr as they don't drop sds and no one needs anything else from its drop file. [/spoiler] I strongly believe that we should be able to go farming and go hunting top end mobs and expecting to get some champion armour from mobs/bosses. Like I've mentioned before, the DPS coming from WEPS/Access currently outweighs the DEF/MD we can Farm/hunt for in game. [/quote]

[quote="TYRESE"]You do realise that instead of buying a weap you could buy armor parts? ‘I know I’ll buy the weap and then complain the armor is too hard to get because I want everything to be easy’ You’ve got 3 capped chars with 4/5 quests per char for an armor part, what are you actually moaning about? NuMb3rS wIn 🤦🏻‍♂️[/quote]

[quote="NITE"][quote="TYRESE"]You do realise that instead of buying a weap you could buy armor parts? ‘I know I’ll buy the weap and then complain the armor is too hard to get because I want everything to be easy’ You’ve got 3 capped chars with 4/5 quests per char for an armor part, what are you actually moaning about? NuMb3rS wIn 🤦🏻‍♂️[/quote] Your reply reminds me of Sloth. Keep it up. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Please ignore stupid replies, keep the ideas going. Idk what's wrong with some ppl. So far the thread has agreed that 1. The Price of Champion armour should be lowered to 50/100/150 2. That Champion armour should be added to mags/ vafers 3. That Champion armour should be added to a new boss which is fair for both mages and warriors. Thank you for replying to those who want a better game for everyone. For those who troll> [spoiler]grow up[/spoiler] [/quote]

[quote="RAINEY"]+1 nite, make valour gear more available, get people breaking stuff and having to hunt and go to the anvil or get trading. otherwise you will have tonnes of people getting bored or making new charaters [/quote]

[quote="TYRESE"]Lol - nite moaning about people trolling and asking them to grow up? Here’s an idea use the valour you’ve got to buy armor parts instead of weaps and you’ll be fine. If you want high dps you'll sacrifice your defence. It’s pretty simple logic.[/quote]

[quote="NITE"][quote="TYRESE"]Lol - nite moaning about people trolling and asking them to grow up? Here’s an idea use the valour you’ve got to buy armor parts instead of weaps and you’ll be fine. If you want high dps you'll sacrifice your defence. It’s pretty simple logic.[/quote] You don't get it, just stop replying.[/quote]