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[quote="RAVENSOUL"]This thread is to show how overpowered the valour weapons are and that they need nerfing, I know it will cause some to scream, shout and cry...... I’m not going through all the tiers to highlight the problem so I’m just going to go from stinger tier to valour tier all weapons will be untag for the purpose of this thread. Stinger tier - Bwa - attack 32~56 Pike - attack 39~54 Snake bite - attack 33~45 Stinger - attack 31~46 Hoarde hands - attack 38~41 Shak tier - Mammoth mauler - attack 38~64 Gore lancet - attack 46~65 Bloodstained blade - attack 41~62 Psycho crossbow - attack 36~50 Pan claw - attack 44~53 Nega tier - Warban hammer - attack 50~78 Axe of might - attack 40~64 Stirling polearm - attack 59~78 Frenzied sabre - attack 49~72 Sword of malice - attack 38~54 Horned bow - attack 45~61 Crystal knuckle - attack 54~66 Valour tier - Grand axe of valour - attack 86~129 Grand spear of valour - attack 92~124 Grand sword of valour - attack 90~110 Grand bow of valour - attack 86~113 Grand knuckle of valour - attack 74~92 Attack difference from warban to grand axe 36~51 Attack difference from Stirling to grand spear 33~46 Attack difference from frenzied to grand sword 41~38 Attack difference from horned to grand bow 41~52 Attack difference from crystal to grand knuckle 20~26 Attack increases from all tiers usually increased roughly between 6-10 attack for basic untags and you can clearly see the huge increase that has fecked soma currently. Now I know you ain’t going to be happy to hear me say this but you have to let Finito do his magic and bring these valour weapons on both sides devil/human back inline with previous tiers of weapons because if you continue to look the other way then it’s gonna be a cold day in hell before anymore weapons ever get added into soma. [/quote]

[quote="3D"]I don't think anyone disagrees that valour weapons were far, far too high in damage relative to previous weapons. The question is more - how does lowering damage across the board address that? Does my knuckler doing 25% less damage with his crystal knuckle do anything to address the disparity of the valour tier stuff? [/quote]

[quote="STUFF10"]I agree something needs to be done, perhaps instead of a major decrease in attack for valour weps, decrease the val weps abit and a flat increase on other two top tiers of weps so the difference is smaller, anything else other than a val bow seems pointless [/quote]

[quote="LUP2SCUS"]some ppl said 2 years ago that these val weps were lucdicrous.. those ppl were ignored... 2 year old observations just shudn't be being discussed now..but they are some shit needs to happen and happen a little faster... there's a great game here.. that's why ppl talk about it...they try ask for changes and everything else you see on these pages. there's obviously some things that need changing... please do it while people still care[/quote]

[quote="RAVENSOUL"]I personal would tweak all the valour weapons devil/human in the database and reduce them inline with previous tiers. The reason the grand knuckle has a lower attack increase was due to the higher attack the crystal knuckle got beforehand. I would even go back to nega tier and fixe the feck up with the crystal knuckle and adjust all tiers so there inline as they should have been. I agree with you 3D reducing the attack across the board doesn’t fix the problem with the valour weapons it punishes if anything all tiers under the valour tier more. But Finito attempted to do something and it brought screams and shouts and crying from players that have valour weapons, because the have become accustomed to the quicker farming/hunting/levelling speeds that the valour weapons give at current high overpowered attacks they have.[/quote]

[quote="LUP2SCUS"]gm's can tweak all they like... it will piss/upset some ppl... you can't balance things now that will sound reasonable to everyone... some have done it legal, some botted and some bought it's gone too far to ask gm's to make it ' balanced' or ' fair' it aint gona happen..no way .. with all the will in the world impossible to rebalance now[/quote]

[quote="RAVENSOUL"]Let’s see how the armour (your defence fairs up) Bitter bone - Helm - 9~11df Top - 10~18df Pads - 8~17df Boots - 7~13df Total defence 34~59 Titus - Helm - 8~15 Top - 9~21 Pads - 7~22 Boots - 6~18 Total defence 30~76 Champion - Helm - 19~24 Top - 17~33 Pads - 20~32 Boots - 18~27 Total defence 74~116 [/quote]

[quote="PHARMA"]the damage bonus from weapon skill has been reduced to bring the attack gained from valour weps down by 50-100 attack[/quote]

[quote="TABORLIN"][quote="RAVENSOUL"]I personal would tweak all the valour weapons devil/human in the database and reduce them inline with previous tiers. The reason the grand knuckle has a lower attack increase was due to the higher attack the crystal knuckle got beforehand. I would even go back to nega tier and fixe the feck up with the crystal knuckle and adjust all tiers so there inline as they should have been. I agree with you 3D reducing the attack across the board doesn’t fix the problem with the valour weapons it punishes if anything all tiers under the valour tier more. But Finito attempted to do something and it brought screams and shouts and crying from players that have valour weapons, because the have become accustomed to the quicker farming/hunting/levelling speeds that the valour weapons give at current high overpowered attacks they have.[/quote] If all the ones in game can be nerfed not just new ones then it should be done imo. where was all the crying at the nerf in discord? discussions should really be kept on here imo[/quote]