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ISELIX |
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YES/NO on Scottish Independence. I'm a NO |
#1 2014/09/18 13:55:17 |
BRADLEY_COLE |
no
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#2 2014/09/18 13:56:03 |
ISELIX |
I think you'll find the opinions of the Soma Community are more accurate than the poll or poll's!
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#3 2014/09/18 13:58:06 |
CRAWLIN |
Seen too many 'yes' stickers all over Edinburgh. I think it could be a close call, but more on the Yes vote.
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#4 2014/09/18 14:02:16 |
ADVOCATE |
I'm English, but, in the interest of the scots i would argue that although this is an opportunity of a lifetime to have the option of independence, the figures just don't add up.
Salmond hasn't got a Plan B, Oil revenues may indeed be lucrative now but think about in the future when those revenue streams dry up. The debate in my mind isn't even one of independence. Yes for sure they'll be independent from the united kingdom, but they'll be walking straight into another union - the EU - where monetary policy is decided in Brussels and the Scottish laws have to abide by the Eu's. Let's be clear, the vote for independence is one which appeals to human nature - the chance to be free, the opportunity to govern oneself and to not be restricted by other countries - this is exciting! However, when one looks objectively at what Scotland already has and will gain from devomax and further gifts, you begin to see that independence is not a good option.
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[quote="ADVOCATE"]I'm English, but, in the interest of the scots i would argue that although this is an opportunity of a lifetime to have the option of independence, the figures just don't add up.
Salmond hasn't got a Plan B, Oil revenues may indeed be lucrative now but think about in the future when those revenue streams dry up.
The debate in my mind isn't even one of independence. Yes for sure they'll be independent from the united kingdom, but they'll be walking straight into another union - the EU - where monetary policy is decided in Brussels and the Scottish laws have to abide by the Eu's.
Let's be clear, the vote for independence is one which appeals to human nature - the chance to be free, the opportunity to govern oneself and to not be restricted by other countries - this is exciting! However, when one looks objectively at what Scotland already has and will gain from devomax and further gifts, you begin to see that independence is not a good option.
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#5 2014/09/18 14:10:05 |
ALFACHINO |
A yes vote would have a huge impact on politics here, in northern Ireland. As the protestants/british community have strong links with Scotland.
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#6 2014/09/18 14:16:15 |
ALFACHINO |
posted twice.
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#7 2014/09/18 14:16:34 |
IPHIOS |
Killing myself if no
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#8 2014/09/18 17:06:30 |
CHOJINE |
I live in Glasgow and hope it is a no ;] Alex Salmond is relying on peoples passion - not their common sense.
His proposed plans make this evident - he i s a showman, but a cautious, wise leader he is not. |
#9 2014/09/18 17:22:20 |
WANKER |
I'm from Edinburgh and just voted No - Fingers crossed now!
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#10 2014/09/18 17:48:26 |
MICKYC |
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#11 2014/09/18 18:06:17 |
S0RCERER |
From London, England here and I hope that if the vote is yes, it is a yes by a large majority.
For if it is a yes, god help their economy with Salmond at the helm. At least with a large majority, nobody could play the blame game when the proverbial shit hits the fan. His 3 options for currencies are Sterling (Which is ruled out by the British Government to be used in a formal capacity), the Euro (Well, not much needs to be said here!) and creating their own currency. There are problems with each of the 3 above choices: Sterling) As it'll be used in an informal capacity, Scotland will actually be more dependant on Westminster decisions, except have absolutely no sway in decisions made down here that affect it's own economy. Defeating the point of independence, at least, economically. Euro) I don't think this one even needs an explanation. All countries that adopt the Euro are country only by name. You are in turn run by an even more remote government. Again, making you more dependant on a second party, defeating the point of independence, in this sense, more than just economically too. Own currency) This is the most obvious choice of the 3, the problem though is that Salmond thinks that he'll be able to gain independence, without taking on any of Scotland's debt obligations. Starting out a new currency with massive debt:gdp ratio is never a good thing. Defaulting on debts with a new currency doesn't exactly do good for trade either, hedging your bets in the oil industry keeping your country afloat isn't the best idea as revenue from North Sea Oil has been in sharp decline throughout recent years. And lastly, banking up in Scotland will become less profitable, with higher risks. In all 3 of the above scenarios, it would be more profitable and stable to move your business, especially if dealing with finance, south of the border. I am all for Scottish Independence, or more generally, more devolved powers, less centralisation. However this particular vote is being run by a man bent on getting into the history books without caring about the ramifications of his hasty actions. It was Scotland who united Great Britain, if Scotland wants independence, go for it, just don't be shocked about what is really means, beyond the 'idea'.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]From London, England here and I hope that if the vote is yes, it is a yes by a large majority.
For if it is a yes, god help their economy with Salmond at the helm. At least with a large majority, nobody could play the blame game when the proverbial shit hits the fan.
His 3 options for currencies are Sterling (Which is ruled out by the British Government to be used in a formal capacity), the Euro (Well, not much needs to be said here!) and creating their own currency.
There are problems with each of the 3 above choices:
Sterling) As it'll be used in an informal capacity, Scotland will actually be more dependant on Westminster decisions, except have absolutely no sway in decisions made down here that affect it's own economy. Defeating the point of independence, at least, economically.
Euro) I don't think this one even needs an explanation. All countries that adopt the Euro are country only by name. You are in turn run by an even more remote government. Again, making you more dependant on a second party, defeating the point of independence, in this sense, more than just economically too.
Own currency) This is the most obvious choice of the 3, the problem though is that Salmond thinks that he'll be able to gain independence, without taking on any of Scotland's debt obligations. Starting out a new currency with massive debt:gdp ratio is never a good thing. Defaulting on debts with a new currency doesn't exactly do good for trade either, hedging your bets in the oil industry keeping your country afloat isn't the best idea as revenue from North Sea Oil has been in sharp decline throughout recent years.
And lastly, banking up in Scotland will become less profitable, with higher risks.
In all 3 of the above scenarios, it would be more profitable and stable to move your business, especially if dealing with finance, south of the border.
I am all for Scottish Independence, or more generally, more devolved powers, less centralisation.
However this particular vote is being run by a man bent on getting into the history books without caring about the ramifications of his hasty actions.
It was Scotland who united Great Britain, if Scotland wants independence, go for it, just don't be shocked about what is really means, beyond the 'idea'.[/quote]
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#12 2014/09/18 18:12:41 |
DR3AD |
from Glasgow, lived in London for over 30 years now though.
Massive NO, a stronger union is the way forward, Alex Salmond is a joke. My beloved Scotland will end up in an even bigger mess than it is now, more unemployment, ZERO economy, and what currency?? the Euro?? look what that has done to most of Europe!! anyone who votes yes is voting because of wars and hardships that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Also, have I mentioned that Alex Salmond is a rabble rousing joke?? #NO
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[quote="DR3AD"]from Glasgow, lived in London for over 30 years now though.
Massive NO, a stronger union is the way forward, Alex Salmond is a joke. My beloved Scotland will end up in an even bigger mess than it is now, more unemployment, ZERO economy, and what currency?? the Euro?? look what that has done to most of Europe!! anyone who votes yes is voting because of wars and hardships that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Also, have I mentioned that Alex Salmond is a rabble rousing joke??
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#13 2014/09/18 18:53:23 |
PINOT |
naw
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#14 2014/09/18 18:58:54 |
ZYAR |
Yes :D
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#15 2014/09/18 19:02:31 |
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