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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="HORUS"]Your presuming that every human WANTS to pvp as stated before not all do it should be balanced around how many humans can POSSIBLY turn up it should be balanced around how many ARE turning up as i EQ has been at every wotw to date.[/quote] No offense intended here but isn't that more a fault with the players rather than wotw itself if people choose to just not go? Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you mean here. [/quote] The main point for me is this. It should not be needed to out number devils 3 to 1 in order to win conti. There is no problem with the players at all. Last Wotw I turned up for 5 minutes. I saw naked devils tanking humans. When we stoned a devil it took 6 humans two spell casts each with weaken to kill 1 devil. By the time the devil died 2 humans were left that did not have to retreat to then safe zone. Regardless if we turned up 5-1 we would still be owned as you normal bow hits take a stupid amount of hp. You cannot expect humans to turn up to play cannon fodder, it is not fun and there is no reason why they should. What really annoys me is that you guys think we are whining.... you guys are very ignorant. You devils do not even put forward a valid solution or attempt to help the situation with regard to wotw and the main problem is because you don't think there is a problem. Down the line it may sort itself out but we are playing for the here and now and right now it's not right. Be honest to me, is that hour a week WotW fun for you? Would you like it a bit closer or do you just want conti?[/quote]

[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"] Be honest to me, is that hour a week WotW fun for you? Would you like it a bit closer or do you just want conti?[/quote] All depends really because I'm not playing this server for the single purpose of having one hour enjoyment a week at wotw still doesn't mean I want it to be dead though for others sake as for me, being honest here I welcome any changes to fix this but truth is I'm not bothered. If people don't want to show up that's their choice while a bit lame I'm perfectly fine with it, I mean conti abs have been good to me so the more time there the better. [/quote]

[quote="ISHARIE"]Put devils on 10% next week lets see their "team work spirit" when they are getting 2-3 hit by humans[/quote]

[quote="SLAYER"]Would like to a blue post to confirm what % war was. Bored of human un-constructive whine posts[/quote]

[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Yeah, instead of whining everyone go support this thread: http://www.myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=496&title=The+way+WoTW+works&Page=1[/quote]

[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="SLAYER"]Would like to a blue post to confirm what % war was. Bored of human un-constructive whine posts[/quote] There's no way for me to confirm it was really 70% but in theory it should have been. I wasn't there in person so I can't estimate whether it seemed right or not either. As for ideas so far we (people on the forum and ingame) came come up with: - Material npc in conti (http://www.myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=397&title=materials+in+conti%3F&Page=1) - Progressive percentage restoration (http://www.myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=496&title=The+way+WoTW+works&Page=1) - Add Kolvar and Kelvar spawn to conti caste - 100 pos for everyone at the throne room in the end - A percentage based on either; numbers, average gearscore, average stats - Buyable WoW buffs for PoS during wow. This could be an NPC in the middle of the safe zone who buffs only the attacking race (possibly only after 2nd or 3rd attack). - RvR armor/weapons - adds +10 def vs devils/humans - AI NPC's (note this doesn't work yet) - can be used to balance the amount of people. Feel free to add to this. [/quote]

[quote="REAPER"]The "need more humans" posts again? did anyone see we out numbered devils last conti war? lol, how much do we have to outnumbered devils by to stand a chance? and why do we need such high % just to compeat? it's ridiculous, we shouldn't need high % and we shouldn't need to out number devils. But the damage is done, the devils will continue to gain aswell as humans but you can be sure it will never be even between the both races, wotw is and will always be broken until everyone hits cap.[/quote]

[quote="HOJO"]I haven't read about 3 pages of this because it's just a bit much for me to want to cope with and I'm a bit tired of it already from previous weeks, so I'm just going to throw this out there: I was lvl 48 at WoW and *some* mages were taking half my hp without weaken. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that is the damage cap people. Yes I can out pot them one at a time because I carry 100 hp pots to WoW. I see people saying you shouldn't need 3 humans to take a lone devil and, yes, I see what your point is, but when it all boils down if it was a completely level playing field on a 1v1 basis then I guarantee that 90% of humans would turn up and then the outnumbering would suddenly become a huge part of it and then the shoe would be on the other foot. Also, when anyone says "I was seeing devils tanking humans naked, it took 6 of us, blah, blah..." have a little think about who those devils were. Was there really more than one? Probably not. If there was more than one, I sincerely doubt there were more than 2. because not many can really manage to do that. Now, I think I'm a reasonable level really, above the average at least. If some mages can 2 shot me without weaken then you can't really say that even at 70% it was still too imbalanced. At 70% even our hardest melee devil is probably equivalent to less than 80 str. think about that. That is just 1 guy too; that doesn't even represent the majority of the devil population. Surely we're at a point now in the % where int probably isn't even your best option anymore because of the damage cap? Just a thought. Oh, and saying you don't need more humans to turn up is just bullshit. I was around the castle and in the throne room the entire time and I maybe saw 6 different people. Of course you're going to lose if only 6 people are making any real attempt at an assault. If you want Conti you will have to get your shit together and take it from us, because we sure as Hell want to keep it.[/quote]

[quote="CARNAGE"]Int doesn't have a damage cap anymore as far as I know.[/quote]

[quote="HOJO"][quote="CARNAGE"]Int doesn't have a damage cap anymore as far as I know.[/quote] I thought it was just increased... Well, either way, it was doing about 200 dmg and could have dropped me in 2 hits.[/quote]

[quote="ACAELUS"]Really bored of the telling more humans to turn up argument. Its not a fun war for the average human. People keep saying it but it doesn't seem to be getting through. Dsoma was released several years after hsoma and had rates increased to make them competitive with humans sooner. Even on esoma devils got crazily strong too fast but at least our top humans could stand out of save zone without dying in less than 5 seconds. WoW shouldn't be balanced around dragons breath. [/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="ACAELUS"]Really bored of the telling more humans to turn up argument. Its not a fun war for the average human. People keep saying it but it doesn't seem to be getting through. Dsoma was released several years after hsoma and had rates increased to make them competitive with humans sooner. Even on esoma devils got crazily strong too fast but at least our top humans could stand out of save zone without dying in less than 5 seconds. WoW shouldn't be balanced around dragons breath. [/quote] The main issue really is the +100hp pot. It negates entirely the 'burst' a human can put out. Remove the +100hp pot from Dsoma and you just watch how fast devils drop. It's not an exaggeration in the slightest to say that even at 100% humans can 2 shot devils, the problem is that using +100's, a devil can cap his health back too quickly. Just a question here, but of the humans that do attend, are you using +100s too?[/quote]

[quote="ACAELUS"]Of course, but 4th n hit an you wont get a chance to hit f1 : )[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="ACAELUS"]Of course, but 4th n hit an you wont get a chance to hit f1 : )[/quote] No single devil even on 100% will be killing you in a 4th and hit, that'll be a couple of devils doing that to you. If you'd be so kind as to give me an idea of what your DF~DF is, I can prove it to you.[/quote]

[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="S0RCERER"]The main issue really is the +100hp pot.[/quote] Like I said in your thread about this, I don't agree because you try tanking a few people that do damage with +100's and see how quickly they burn, it's pretty quick I know because I've tried. There's downsides to these pots as well as the obvious benefit. They'll negate damage but not for very long especially if the people are actually hurting. [/quote]