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#16 2014/11/10 16:24:45 |
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GHOSTLORD |
Remember Pamoth weapons like Pike, Stinger ARE ingame.
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#17 2014/11/11 09:11:56 |
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"GHOSTLORD" Oh, and in my opinion no knuckle should ever be B speed. Also such stats on items requires the items after those (which will come in due time) to have the same stats or an increase on it to be better than the previous. This has been a massive mistake with the pan claw imho, which is now to late to be fixed. I am not against knux being droped at speed A or A+ if there low attack warrants it. However the attack on the Pan claw in comparison to the other top weps is a joke. Out of all the new weps the Pan claw has the best DPS this should not be the case for a dex wepon at A/A+ speed
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[quote="ACAELUS"][quote="GHOSTLORD"] Oh, and in my opinion no knuckle should ever be B speed. Also such stats on items requires the items after those (which will come in due time) to have the same stats or an increase on it to be better than the previous.[/quote]
This has been a massive mistake with the pan claw imho, which is now to late to be fixed. I am not against knux being droped at speed A or A+ if there low attack warrants it. However the attack on the Pan claw in comparison to the other top weps is a joke. Out of all the new weps the Pan claw has the best DPS this should not be the case for a dex wepon at A/A+ speed[/quote]
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#18 2014/11/12 10:12:22 |
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"HURRICANE"pan claw isnt over powered on here. My rare Psycho Xbow has better max attack than a epic pan :P Ye only better Max.. and look at the speed difference. Its a minimum droped D knux is A. And at D the bow is to fast for a PVP xbow. Especial when you compare it to the 2H sword at speed E............. and the bow has better attack the a 2H sword this does not make sense especialy as the sword is slower.
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[quote="ACAELUS"][quote="HURRICANE"]pan claw isnt over powered on here. My rare Psycho Xbow has better max attack than a epic pan :P[/quote]
Ye only better Max.. and look at the speed difference. Its a minimum droped D knux is A. And at D the bow is to fast for a PVP xbow. Especial when you compare it to the 2H sword at speed E............. and the bow has better attack the a 2H sword this does not make sense especialy as the sword is slower.[/quote]
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#19 2014/11/12 10:36:36 |
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HURRICANE |
As isylver has said.. Hes upped Knuckle due to not many people using it. Hes upped it to make people think about using it as 95% of the hsoma population are bow. I think there is about 5 top players that use knuckle and about 70 that use bow. I agree GM has done the right thing.
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[quote="HURRICANE"]As isylver has said.. Hes upped Knuckle due to not many people using it. Hes upped it to make people think about using it as 95% of the hsoma population are bow. I think there is about 5 top players that use knuckle and about 70 that use bow. I agree GM has done the right thing.[/quote]
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#20 2014/11/12 12:01:26 |
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HURRICANE |
"ACAELUS""HURRICANE"pan claw isnt over powered on here. My rare Psycho Xbow has better max attack than a epic pan :P Knuckle is bound to be speed A, Always have been always will be. If u want a good attack and good speed wep, sorry but u need to use knuckle, not bow. I do agree about the sword, it should have better attack, but tbh 5th sword is way op
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[quote="HURRICANE"][quote="ACAELUS"][quote="HURRICANE"]pan claw isnt over powered on here. My rare Psycho Xbow has better max attack than a epic pan :P[/quote]
Ye only better Max.. and look at the speed difference. Its a minimum droped D knux is A. And at D the bow is to fast for a PVP xbow. Especial when you compare it to the 2H sword at speed E............. and the bow has better attack the a 2H sword this does not make sense especialy as the sword is slower.[/quote]
Knuckle is bound to be speed A, Always have been always will be. If u want a good attack and good speed wep, sorry but u need to use knuckle, not bow.
I do agree about the sword, it should have better attack, but tbh 5th sword is way op[/quote]
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#21 2014/11/12 12:03:02 |
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"HURRICANE"As isylver has said.. Hes upped Knuckle due to not many people using it. Hes upped it to make people think about using it as 95% of the hsoma population are bow. I think there is about 5 top players that use knuckle and about 70 that use bow. I agree GM has done the right thing. Totaly disagree, all Weps should be as ballanced as possible. 90% of people go bow because of how good it is for leveling and how good it is for pvp ( range plus good att) and I agree on bow being nerfed. I however do not agree that wepons should be buffed just purley for the fact no one uses them. In that case Spear and now sword should be buffed as the are by far the least used weps endgame espaily sword.
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[quote="KOVARAS"][quote="HURRICANE"]As isylver has said.. Hes upped Knuckle due to not many people using it. Hes upped it to make people think about using it as 95% of the hsoma population are bow. I think there is about 5 top players that use knuckle and about 70 that use bow. I agree GM has done the right thing.[/quote]
Totaly disagree, all Weps should be as ballanced as possible. 90% of people go bow because of how good it is for leveling and how good it is for pvp ( range plus good att) and I agree on bow being nerfed. I however do not agree that wepons should be buffed just purley for the fact no one uses them. In that case Spear and now sword should be buffed as the are by far the least used weps endgame espaily sword. [/quote]
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#22 2014/11/12 12:19:45 |
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"HURRICANE"agree about the sword, it should have better attack, but tbh 5th sword is way op 5th Sword was OP but was nerfed for this server. For 5th sword to be effective you need alot more att then the other persons def. The Nerf is further impacted by the 2H sword having the worst att in comparison to all the other weps for both DPS and burst damage
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[quote="KOVARAS"][quote="HURRICANE"]agree about the sword, it should have better attack, but tbh 5th sword is way op[/quote]
5th Sword was OP but was nerfed for this server. For 5th sword to be effective you need alot more att then the other persons def. The Nerf is further impacted by the 2H sword having the worst att in comparison to all the other weps for both DPS and burst damage[/quote]
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#23 2014/11/12 12:22:26 |
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Sword been shafted in hsoma on here.
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#24 2014/11/12 12:25:19 |
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ROCKS |
swords my favourite too :(
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#25 2014/11/12 12:28:00 |
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KOVARAS |
"SATAN2"Sword been shafted in hsoma on here. +1 |
#26 2014/11/12 12:42:52 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"KOVARAS""HURRICANE"As isylver has said.. Hes upped Knuckle due to not many people using it. Hes upped it to make people think about using it as 95% of the hsoma population are bow. I think there is about 5 top players that use knuckle and about 70 that use bow. I agree GM has done the right thing. Looking at who uses what at what stage of the game is highly informative for the GM's and other than theoretical number crunching the only practical way of dealing with balance between weapons.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="KOVARAS"][quote="HURRICANE"]As isylver has said.. Hes upped Knuckle due to not many people using it. Hes upped it to make people think about using it as 95% of the hsoma population are bow. I think there is about 5 top players that use knuckle and about 70 that use bow. I agree GM has done the right thing.[/quote]
Totaly disagree, all Weps should be as ballanced as possible. 90% of people go bow because of how good it is for leveling and how good it is for pvp ( range plus good att) and I agree on bow being nerfed. I however do not agree that wepons should be buffed just purley for the fact no one uses them. In that case Spear and now sword should be buffed as the are by far the least used weps endgame espaily sword. [/quote]
Looking at who uses what at what stage of the game is highly informative for the GM's and other than theoretical number crunching the only practical way of dealing with balance between weapons.[/quote]
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#27 2014/11/12 13:01:35 |
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Following that theory, looking at the top levels (nearing cap):
Sword - Iphios Axe - Rare, Quimm, Lupi, Tolic, Ace (not sure if his second wep is still Axe) Bow - Ace, Style, Rare, Lupi, Tolic Spear - Ceo Staff - Quimm, Ceo, Style, Iphios, Acaelus Nux - None? Not sure what skill Lupi and Tolic have lost now that they've turned into mages. Also not sure what Acaelus' main wep is, other than staff. That would indicate the massive improvement to Nux was probably justified. Even despite the boost not a single top char uses it. The above would indicate sword and spear need a boost in the next round of weps too (if there are any plans to add more weps). Bow will always be the most popular purely because of the range. Axe will also be popular because of how good 5th is.
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[quote="SATAN2"]Following that theory, looking at the top levels (nearing cap):
Sword - Iphios
Axe - Rare, Quimm, Lupi, Tolic, Ace (not sure if his second wep is still Axe)
Bow - Ace, Style, Rare, Lupi, Tolic
Spear - Ceo
Staff - Quimm, Ceo, Style, Iphios, Acaelus
Nux - None?
Not sure what skill Lupi and Tolic have lost now that they've turned into mages. Also not sure what Acaelus' main wep is, other than staff.
That would indicate the massive improvement to Nux was probably justified. Even despite the boost not a single top char uses it. The above would indicate sword and spear need a boost in the next round of weps too (if there are any plans to add more weps). Bow will always be the most popular purely because of the range. Axe will also be popular because of how good 5th is.[/quote]
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#28 2014/11/12 14:21:20 |
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KOVARAS |
Soma is a grind game you carnt just keep buffing and nerfing thing like WoW. If we are goin donw that road it needs to be made alot easyer to reskill.
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#29 2014/11/12 14:49:46 |
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"KOVARAS"Soma is a grind game you carnt just keep buffing and nerfing thing like WoW. If we are goin donw that road it needs to be made alot easyer to reskill. I agree, to some extent. What would be ideal to do (in my eyes) is tinker with the current setup of weapons untill we have something that we find works (we're not that far off if you ask me). We should keep a hold of that ratio, stat increase or however you want to call it and apply it to any new set of weapons. This way we wouldn't have to tinker with each new set of weapons individually but rather have a weapon type 'setup'. Of course any major game changes would make us revisit any old ways of working.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="KOVARAS"]Soma is a grind game you carnt just keep buffing and nerfing thing like WoW. If we are goin donw that road it needs to be made alot easyer to reskill.[/quote]
I agree, to some extent.
What would be ideal to do (in my eyes) is tinker with the current setup of weapons untill we have something that we find works (we're not that far off if you ask me). We should keep a hold of that ratio, stat increase or however you want to call it and apply it to any new set of weapons. This way we wouldn't have to tinker with each new set of weapons individually but rather have a weapon type 'setup'.
Of course any major game changes would make us revisit any old ways of working.
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#30 2014/11/13 08:15:19 |
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