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I recommend not getting any of the Black magic spells in which you need wicked/devil morale.
22 power 16MP . This is just choking compared to Iron fist. And I dare not even get the devil morale Spell. It prob sucks too, |
#1 2013/10/03 20:53:43 |
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REHTUL |
bump - massive imbalance please fix isylver!
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#2 2013/10/03 20:54:37 |
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LOKAN |
I have been reading some info about these black magic spells in various posts .... and I must admit, it seems strange. Spirit swords is currently the best black spell in terms of mana to power ratio and it requires only 10 skill. Surely a spell that requires you to go wicked or devil moral and have high skill should be more beneficial then it currently is? I would like to see one of the higher level black spells become more similar to iron fist and therefore more useable. I hope the GM's can look into this and come up with a more tailored solution, thanks :)
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[quote="LOKAN"]I have been reading some info about these black magic spells in various posts .... and I must admit, it seems strange. Spirit swords is currently the best black spell in terms of mana to power ratio and it requires only 10 skill. Surely a spell that requires you to go wicked or devil moral and have high skill should be more beneficial then it currently is? I would like to see one of the higher level black spells become more similar to iron fist and therefore more useable. I hope the GM's can look into this and come up with a more tailored solution, thanks :)[/quote]
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#3 2013/10/03 21:02:47 |
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REHTUL |
Yeah really no point in playing until this gets sorted - literally pointless being a mage when warriors dont just get the shortcut of getting their int tanked for them but can now just get a stupidly powerful spell (if) with no int at all.
As a black mage I now have someone 10 int higher than me who is white gaining 0.1 around 15% faster than me. Will keep an eye on forums and really hope this gets sorted out. Been fun though :p
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[quote="REHTUL"]Yeah really no point in playing until this gets sorted - literally pointless being a mage when warriors dont just get the shortcut of getting their int tanked for them but can now just get a stupidly powerful spell (if) with no int at all.
As a black mage I now have someone 10 int higher than me who is white gaining 0.1 around 15% faster than me.
Will keep an eye on forums and really hope this gets sorted out.
Been fun though :p[/quote]
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#4 2013/10/03 22:09:36 |
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SILENCE |
That happens using the same spells anyway. "REHTUL" Which is compensated by the fact all magic monsters up until Prismatic Shadow have Black Magic attacks.
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[quote="SILENCE"][quote]
As a black mage I now have someone 10 int higher than me who is white gaining 0.1 around 15% faster than me.
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That happens using the same spells anyway.
[quote="REHTUL"]
Yeah really no point in playing until this gets sorted - literally pointless being a mage when warriors dont just get the shortcut of getting their int tanked for them but can now just get a stupidly powerful spell (if) with no int at all.
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Which is compensated by the fact all magic monsters up until Prismatic Shadow have Black Magic attacks.[/quote]
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#5 2013/10/03 23:02:41 |
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STU |
There should be an equiv for iron fist for black mages...
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#6 2013/10/03 23:28:56 |
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STU |
And if it was 'compensated', white should be levelling faster 'anyway'.
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#7 2013/10/03 23:31:15 |
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SCOIN |
black mages do get better MD though don't they, which = easier hunting?
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#8 2013/10/03 23:57:32 |
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CHALLENGER |
Black mages would also do 10-10 less damage using a black spell to any black magic mobs in theory, so even with a spell equal power to iron fist, would still have the advantages / disadvantages as before. I'm all for making explosion same power as iron fist. However white mages will still level quicker. Black mages just wouldn't be as gimped as they currently are.
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[quote="CHALLENGER"]Black mages would also do 10-10 less damage using a black spell to any black magic mobs in theory, so even with a spell equal power to iron fist, would still have the advantages / disadvantages as before. I'm all for making explosion same power as iron fist. However white mages will still level quicker. Black mages just wouldn't be as gimped as they currently are.[/quote]
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#9 2013/10/04 03:01:51 |
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ISYLVER [Staff] |
Please list the spell names you feel need improving
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#10 2013/10/04 04:13:53 |
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"CHALLENGER"Black mages would also do 10-10 less damage using a black spell to any black magic mobs in theory, so even with a spell equal power to iron fist, would still have the advantages / disadvantages as before. I'm all for making explosion same power as iron fist. However white mages will still level quicker. Black mages just wouldn't be as gimped as they currently are. Except they don't. Wraiths/Lich Lords have 0 Blue/White/Black Magic skill, so you do the same damage to each monster regardless of the magic class of the spell you are using. If you change any spell before 75 Int you remove the last remaining reasons for being a White Mage at the start.
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[quote="SILENCE"][quote="CHALLENGER"]Black mages would also do 10-10 less damage using a black spell to any black magic mobs in theory, so even with a spell equal power to iron fist, would still have the advantages / disadvantages as before. I'm all for making explosion same power as iron fist. However white mages will still level quicker. Black mages just wouldn't be as gimped as they currently are.[/quote]
Except they don't.
Wraiths/Lich Lords have 0 Blue/White/Black Magic skill, so you do the same damage to each monster regardless of the magic class of the spell you are using.
If you change any spell before 75 Int you remove the last remaining reasons for being a White Mage at the start.[/quote]
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#11 2013/10/04 05:51:56 |
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Even IF white mages get faster int per xp it doesn't translate to real time because when we first go to wraiths, lich lords or prismatic entities we have to really slog though, hit n run, kill just 1 then heal up full or have to slow them.
Proof is in the pudding, if it's unbalanced why did you choose black magic in the first place? Easy fast leveling, Thats the trade off.
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[quote="ACAELUS"]Even IF white mages get faster int per xp it doesn't translate to real time because when we first go to wraiths, lich lords or prismatic entities we have to really slog though, hit n run, kill just 1 then heal up full or have to slow them.
Proof is in the pudding, if it's unbalanced why did you choose black magic in the first place? Easy fast leveling, Thats the trade off.[/quote]
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#12 2013/10/04 07:14:24 |
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Acaelus has hit the nail on the head for me.
While I have no problem with Buffing spells etc. They needs to be some thought about the black/white balance from start to finish. It is all well and good buffing a spell to match another, however when you get an easier levelling route with black magic compared to white up to a certain point, you may as well make white mages redundant at low level. At this point I am sure we will have another post asking for a white magic change.
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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"]Acaelus has hit the nail on the head for me.
While I have no problem with Buffing spells etc. They needs to be some thought about the black/white balance from start to finish. It is all well and good buffing a spell to match another, however when you get an easier levelling route with black magic compared to white up to a certain point, you may as well make white mages redundant at low level.
At this point I am sure we will have another post asking for a white magic change.[/quote]
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#13 2013/10/04 07:50:17 |
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If your a black Mage an not happy then go white. Simple really. You start messing with the current balance then we will see a mass change of white moving to black. Which we don't want. We currently have a nice split.
I have spent pretty much my entire time up to 61int hit n running wraiths in abias, cos as a white Mage I was not strong enough for pit. My equal but black Mage was in pit at 50int tanking 2 wraiths. We may lvl faster per xp but you lvl far faster time wise.
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[quote="CYROX"]If your a black Mage an not happy then go white. Simple really. You start messing with the current balance then we will see a mass change of white moving to black. Which we don't want. We currently have a nice split.
I have spent pretty much my entire time up to 61int hit n running wraiths in abias, cos as a white Mage I was not strong enough for pit. My equal but black Mage was in pit at 50int tanking 2 wraiths. We may lvl faster per xp but you lvl far faster time wise.
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#14 2013/10/04 08:41:03 |
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"CYROX"If your a black Mage an not happy then go white. Simple really. You start messing with the current balance then we will see a mass change of white moving to black. Which we don't want. We currently have a nice split. u ever heard of slow? :/ thats what i see 99% of white mages using, dans just agreed he will fix it so what spells are they?
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[quote="ACE"][quote="CYROX"]If your a black Mage an not happy then go white. Simple really. You start messing with the current balance then we will see a mass change of white moving to black. Which we don't want. We currently have a nice split.
I have spent pretty much my entire time up to 61int hit n running wraiths in abias, cos as a white Mage I was not strong enough for pit. My equal but black Mage was in pit at 50int tanking 2 wraiths. We may lvl faster per xp but you lvl far faster time wise.
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u ever heard of slow? :/ thats what i see 99% of white mages using, dans just agreed he will fix it so what spells are they?[/quote]
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