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[quote="REHTUL"]Explosion & Hellfire[/quote]

[quote="JABBA"][quote="REHTUL"]Explosion & Hellfire[/quote] These! [/quote]

[quote="MEGAMOCHA"]Slightly off topic, but I heard lich lords used white magic, is this not true? Back on topic though, I agree that the higher spells need changing, although I think the numbers are fine as the trade off is that you can tank mobs easier as already mentioned, but it seems unfair that iron fist doesn't require any morality at all, yet explosion (4 less dmg and 2 more mana than iron fist) requires evil morality. That is my gripe with it. However, it doesn't bother me because I'm going to do what most people do and just change to white magic when I don't need the extra MD from black magic.[/quote]

[quote="HORUS"]For me its more logical to go blk magic first and then white magic late game. It just makes sense after youve had the benefits of black which is better early then there is no use to being blk as once u have the needed md blk magic is pretty useless. I have no issue with changing to white as i already have, But already pretty much EVERY1 has jumped ship into late game int mode and went white. for the obvious benefits of IF. IMO i think a good reason to stay/go blk late game would be make explosion same power as IF, 1 more mp to use, 1 more range but make it 90 int to use and devil moral to obtain. Then it wont be attack of the clones late game for int which lets face it it currently is. Myself im not to bothered about the whole white mage late game as it is how it was in esoma and its to be expected but this is just my opinion.[/quote]

[quote="LOKAN"]I think that it shouldn't be a case of "I must go black magic first, then white magic end game". I would like to see the 2 disciplines balanced and therefore, more of a decision of which u like the look of more. The top spells for both black/white magic should have a very similar (if not identical) mp usage, and power. If that was the case I think you would see a much more even split of black/white mages. Spirit swords shouldnt be the spell of choice for levelling as a black mage. It would be great if we could see explosion or hellfire have a similar mp/power ratio to ironfist. I think alot more people would be tempted to go wicked/devil moral if they got a usefull spell that they could use day in, day out to level with![/quote]

[quote="LUTHER"]Couldn't agree more. If there is only one way to level (black first, white later), then it really will be a case of every char being identical. [/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]Really, when you're strong enough to swap to white magic, you might as well continue training INT with Dragon's Breath... Above 90 staff skill, the mana consumption (per int gained over time) using Drag Breath beats Iron Fist hands down.[/quote]

[quote="BASIL"]magic monsters may use the same animation as spells you use but I'm 99% sure they are not the same attack on hit,[/quote]

[quote="KONG"]Explosion and hell fire definitely need looking at, they are COMPLETELY useless. being a black mage after wraiths is a complete a waste of time. im not sure if its changed to evil but knutsel went to wicked yesterday to get explosion and its worse than spirit sword?! yeah black mages get 10 extra defence at wraiths but thats nothing in the grand scheme of things it should be balanced like Black mage vs white mage explosion / iron fist should be the most effective and black mage vs black mage or white vs white dragon breath should be the most effect ---------------------------------Power---------------MP Usage---------Range Lightsword--------------------17-----------------------8--------------------5 Spirit Sword ------------------17-----------------------7--------------------6 Iron Fist-------------------------32----------------------14-------------------5 Explosion-----------------------22----------------------16-------------------4 Fire Storm----------------------30----------------------30-------------------5 Hellfire--------------------------19----------------------36--------------------5 lightsword / spirit sword seem balanced but the rest is a complete farse, especially as u need wicked/devil moral.[/quote]

[quote="HORUS"][quote="S0RCERER"]Really, when you're strong enough to swap to white magic, you might as well continue training INT with Dragon's Breath... Above 90 staff skill, the mana consumption (per int gained over time) using Drag Breath beats Iron Fist hands down.[/quote] I gain int in 7% at abias nightmares. Using db i get 3% per pot run (160 +50mp pots) so essentially im in my 3rd pot run to get .1 int. Using IF i get 7% per 160 mp pots. With current mana pools etc DB does not compare, Higher barr cost higher irl time with the pot runs same % per int. staying blk magic and relying on DB really just is not viable unless you want to be inefficient and stubborn to staying blk mage there is no benefit if your thinking about it logically being white or black after 80 int is not a question that requires much thought.[/quote]

[quote="NITE"][quote="ISYLVER"]Please list the spell names you feel need improving[/quote] Ye Explosion and Hellfire. So is there anything you can do to balance this?[/quote]

[quote="LUTHER"]Yes, please can this be balanced out ASAP, really dont want to be forced to be a white mage when all the spells I use for PVP are black. [/quote]

[quote="REHTUL"]?[/quote]

[quote="REHTUL"]I take it nothing will be done about this?[/quote]

[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Please give it some time, if iSylver asked for input all we can do is give just that and wait and see what he'll do with it.[/quote]