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YOSHIMITSU |
"GHOSTLORD" People have had min dmg on blg for a long time now, its only in the last few weeks people are starting to have 100% on blg so i'd say that it's perfectly reasonable ;p
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]
In my opinion minimum damage and 100% evasion are the same type of thing. However, min damage < evasion. Therefore evasion should be harder and longer to get.
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People have had min dmg on blg for a long time now, its only in the last few weeks people are starting to have 100% on blg so i'd say that it's perfectly reasonable ;p[/quote]
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#46 2015/01/05 13:09:26 |
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As stated previously >i think< Isylver didnt want 100% eva to be possible here for hunting which is why it was nerfed. If it was nerfed for this reason, regardless of however hard it is to obtain doesnt justify it being available. Best would be to wait for his reply.
From you last screenshot i guess your 93/94 and near 100% eva If you were to pure knuk to cap thats probably 3-5 months of leveling with 100% eva so yes it does make a huge difference as its not a short period of time. It will be even longer for anyone doing pure bow. Whats to stop you asking for it to be available when new mobs are added? No reason to have 100% on blg and then not available later...
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[quote="GRASS_"]As stated previously >i think< Isylver didnt want 100% eva to be possible here for hunting which is why it was nerfed. If it was nerfed for this reason, regardless of however hard it is to obtain doesnt justify it being available. Best would be to wait for his reply.
From you last screenshot i guess your 93/94 and near 100% eva
If you were to pure knuk to cap thats probably 3-5 months of leveling with 100% eva so yes it does make a huge difference as its not a short period of time. It will be even longer for anyone doing pure bow.
Whats to stop you asking for it to be available when new mobs are added?
No reason to have 100% on blg and then not available later...
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#47 2015/01/05 14:17:58 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"GRASS_"As stated previously >i think< Isylver didnt want 100% eva to be possible here for hunting which is why it was nerfed. If it was nerfed for this reason, regardless of however hard it is to obtain doesnt justify it being available. Best would be to wait for his reply. He may have wanted it to be unatainable, but i agree it's best off waiting for his response. Level 93 and almost near 100%. But if i were to pure knuckle to cap i'd have around 145 str and 122 dex with between 120-130 int. That is 100% useless at end game. I wouldn't hurt any other capped characters with those stats. So you are right, i'd have a hell of alot of levelling with 100% but nobdy in their right mind would waste that much time on a character to be totally useless in end game pvp. New mobs can be the same as blg, give them redic high dex so once you do have 100% on them, then they you're in the same situation as above.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="GRASS_"]As stated previously >i think< Isylver didnt want 100% eva to be possible here for hunting which is why it was nerfed. If it was nerfed for this reason, regardless of however hard it is to obtain doesnt justify it being available. Best would be to wait for his reply.
From you last screenshot i guess your 93/94 and near 100% eva
If you were to pure knuk to cap thats probably 3-5 months of leveling with 100% eva so yes it does make a huge difference as its not a short period of time. It will be even longer for anyone doing pure bow.
Whats to stop you asking for it to be available when new mobs are added?
No reason to have 100% on blg and then not available later...
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He [b]may[/b] have wanted it to be unatainable, but i agree it's best off waiting for his response.
Level 93 and almost near 100%. But if i were to pure knuckle to cap i'd have around 145 str and 122 dex with between 120-130 int. That is 100% useless at end game. I wouldn't hurt any other capped characters with those stats. So you are right, i'd have a hell of alot of levelling with 100% but nobdy in their right mind would waste that much time on a character to be totally useless in end game pvp.
New mobs can be the same as blg, give them redic high dex so once you do have 100% on them, then they you're in the same situation as above.[/quote]
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#48 2015/01/05 14:33:02 |
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TIBI |
Haven't read the entire thread thoroughly but the calculation I remember it being was that Evasion% = YourDex - OpposingDex + 50. Acc/Eva/Dodge calculations are done after.
So for example: Beast Lord Guardian have 112 offensive dex So let us say a character has 112 dex themselves then the calculation is as follows: 112 - 112 + 50 = 50% evasion Then if we add in evasion sets/calculations (lets say a 6% set for ease) it would be 50 + 6 + 6 + 6 Add in hero boots +5 Add knuckle dodge +10 This leaves you with 83% evasion So you have another 17% to find from somewhere (Dex access)
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[quote="TIBI"]Haven't read the entire thread thoroughly but the calculation I remember it being was that Evasion% = YourDex - OpposingDex + 50. Acc/Eva/Dodge calculations are done after.
So for example:
Beast Lord Guardian have 112 offensive dex
So let us say a character has 112 dex themselves then the calculation is as follows:
112 - 112 + 50 = 50% evasion
Then if we add in evasion sets/calculations (lets say a 6% set for ease) it would be
50 + 6 + 6 + 6
Add in hero boots +5
Add knuckle dodge +10
This leaves you with 83% evasion
So you have another 17% to find from somewhere (Dex access) [/quote]
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#49 2015/01/06 00:57:10 |
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What tibi says is how it always was on esoma. However i only tested on mess/ban and needed an additional 6 dex/eva over the original formula. No idea why.
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#50 2015/01/08 13:31:04 |
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"MATTHEW"What tibi says is how it always was on esoma. However i only tested on mess/ban and needed an additional 6 dex/eva over the original formula. No idea why. there is a cap on how much acc/eva can be achieved with dex, could be why? think its something like 72% is the max you can get with dex only.
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[quote="BRAINDATA"][quote="MATTHEW"]What tibi says is how it always was on esoma. However i only tested on mess/ban and needed an additional 6 dex/eva over the original formula. No idea why.[/quote]
there is a cap on how much acc/eva can be achieved with dex, could be why? think its something like 72% is the max you can get with dex only.[/quote]
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#51 2015/01/08 15:53:40 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"BRAINDATA""MATTHEW"What tibi says is how it always was on esoma. However i only tested on mess/ban and needed an additional 6 dex/eva over the original formula. No idea why. Is that with base dex? Or dex+ items? As i'm having the same issue at the minute
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="BRAINDATA"][quote="MATTHEW"]What tibi says is how it always was on esoma. However i only tested on mess/ban and needed an additional 6 dex/eva over the original formula. No idea why.[/quote]
there is a cap on how much acc/eva can be achieved with dex, could be why? think its something like 72% is the max you can get with dex only.[/quote]
Is that with base dex? Or dex+ items? As i'm having the same issue at the minute[/quote]
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#52 2015/01/08 18:08:26 |
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"BRAINDATA""MATTHEW"What tibi says is how it always was on esoma. However i only tested on mess/ban and needed an additional 6 dex/eva over the original formula. No idea why. i remember also that you need at least a certain amount of eva gear to get 100% on esoma
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[quote="SYLVERANGEL"][quote="BRAINDATA"][quote="MATTHEW"]What tibi says is how it always was on esoma. However i only tested on mess/ban and needed an additional 6 dex/eva over the original formula. No idea why.[/quote]
there is a cap on how much acc/eva can be achieved with dex, could be why? think its something like 72% is the max you can get with dex only.[/quote]
i remember also that you need at least a certain amount of eva gear to get 100% on esoma
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#53 2015/01/08 20:10:57 |
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It was dodge, hero boots and 5% piece. Then Halloween pads came in and it was possible with 3% hallo pads in lieu of 5% piece. So from that it can be assumed the Eva % required in items was 26-28% (as 26,27% wasn't a possible combination or at least realistic on esoma.) Would be a strange thing to change here but Iv not tested :o
On esoma regardless of dex you didn't have 100% on a bric without the 28% Eva.
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[quote="IPHIOS"]It was dodge, hero boots and 5% piece. Then Halloween pads came in and it was possible with 3% hallo pads in lieu of 5% piece. So from that it can be assumed the Eva % required in items was 26-28% (as 26,27% wasn't a possible combination or at least realistic on esoma.) Would be a strange thing to change here but Iv not tested :o
On esoma regardless of dex you didn't have 100% on a bric without the 28% Eva.[/quote]
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#54 2015/01/08 20:16:11 |
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GHOSTLORD |
It's only the last 20%. I can tell this with high certainty.
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#55 2015/01/09 11:29:39 |
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