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[quote="DRAGONITE"]What are peoples thoughts on weapon speeds? On test server people ran around with 300-400 recoil weps firing like 4 arrows a second and was ludicrous and toe / ss was nerfed to prevent this. Currenlty average bow will get to A / A+ in 5 toes which seems reasonable. But now knuk is a very viable weapon for pvp and levelign and since they already start onvery low recoil (725 for pans, tagged pans are already A+) +4 / +5 pans are near 400-500 recoil which is ridiculously fast. Hurricane has a +4 HH which is under 500 and insanely fast It is only a matter of time before people start making +6 / +7 / +8 weps (Secret already has a +7) A +7 or +8 knuk would easily be 300-400 recoil. Yes the chances of making one are extremely low? But do we want these weapons ingame? Maybe there should be a +5 cap on weapons? (Anyone with a +6 or higher currently should be allowed to keep it) Discuss[/quote]

[quote="NOTMAT"]Main?[/quote]

[quote="YOSHIMITSU"]A +7/+8 knuckle would easily be 300-400 recoil but the chances of making it are slim. I made a +4 and +5, the +4 broke going to +5. Don't bother changing anything, it's brutal enough as it is[/quote]

[quote="GANDALF"]I agree cap all weapons at +3 i mean as a mage my Dragon Breath cannot get any faster than it is, why should all these melle chars be OP compared to my poor mage /gand [/quote]

[quote="MICROSTAR"]300-400 recoil is not 4hits lol 300ish can the wep double hit,assuming a knuckle can reach 300ish recoil will require alot of ss to begin with[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]1000 recoil = 1 hit per second 300 recoil = 3.3 hits per second.[/quote]

[quote="SYLVERANGEL"]for once i agree with gandalf ... the max amount of upgrades should be stopped at around +3 to prevent people having redicoulous fast weapons[/quote]

[quote="HURRICANE"]Nothing needs changing, not many people are going to go for +6 +7 and +8 unless ur crazy like secret which It paid off for him. After breaking my spare pan to +5 I don't think I'll be going any higher than +4s. Too much risk to take[/quote]

[quote="HURRICANE"]Upgrades have been nerfed a lot as it is, no need to nerf anything more! Soon there will be no soma with amount of changes going on[/quote]

[quote="DRAGONITE"]Hurricane your post contradicts itself, if you are not going to trt further than +4, a cap at +5 wont affect you, The point is that no matter how hard it is to make these weps people will make them eventually. There are loafs of +4/5 weps around currently and soon it will inevitably turn into +6/7 ect[/quote]

[quote="JPOT"]The upgrade system is brutal enough, leave it as it is[/quote]

[quote="HURRICANE"]It doesn't contradict it at all, I said I don't think I'll go past +4 doesn't mean no one else can. That's up to them, it doesn't need changing, there is one person with a +7 bow in 17months. No1 else even has a +6. Toes have been nerfed and so have SS.[/quote]

[quote="IMCON"]An alternative solution would be to provide some kind of magic speed upgrade, though balancing would be hard. It would be nice to find some way to make magic and melee comparable. From what people have said, magic was too strong early on, and melee is getting stronger and stronger now. So with such a magic upgrade, if you get the balance on success rates just right, maybe magic and melee could be made equally valid paths. Even though I have nothing more than a +1 at my modest level, I do think the system is fairly brutal as it is though. Or if the issue is less about people being OP, and more about high speed just looking silly, you could always adjust every recoil in game by a certain percentage or something.[/quote]

[quote="HURRICANE"]And also large diamonds aren't easy to get hold of to make SS[/quote]

[quote="CARNAGE"]The upgrade system has always been pretty harsh so in my opinion those that take the risks deserve the speed, no need to try and limit people. The only issue if you can even call it that is it happens to be easier to make a fast knuckler compared to everything else.[/quote]