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TYPHIN |
Can we amend this a little to make more sense.
If a portal is opened. Make it a physical portal that folks can attack in order to close it. Make hitting this portal reward pos, where is the sense in sending devs to vod to pick off lowbies when the same cant be said in reverse To deter devs from just picking off lowbies, give them the insentive of guarding the portal where similar to the sacred stone event they can stand on a position to be rewarded with pos for defending it for the duration it's up. Less grief on lowbies Reward for both races Thoughts?
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[quote="TYPHIN"]Can we amend this a little to make more sense.
If a portal is opened. Make it a physical portal that folks can attack in order to close it.
Make hitting this portal reward pos, where is the sense in sending devs to vod to pick off lowbies when the same cant be said in reverse
To deter devs from just picking off lowbies, give them the insentive of guarding the portal where similar to the sacred stone event they can stand on a position to be rewarded with pos for defending it for the duration it's up.
Less grief on lowbies
Reward for both races
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#1 2015/03/07 21:29:29 |
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HELLLOO |
It was bad enough with all the high level humans griefing noobs at wraith pit... Now level 100 Devils too sigh
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#2 2015/03/08 01:19:04 |
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S0RCERER |
I don't get it though... Humans can raid the Infernal Caves, they just choose not to.
Just like Humans can easily win Wotw, but they choose not to attend. and Humans can easily get the lion's share of pos at Sacred Stone, but they choose not to. Whenever I raid Conti during human ownership, no matter who I come across, they are always fighting by themselves and never have assistance from their guild (even if they're the GV holder and have trace). The big problem with Hsoma is that nobody cooperates with each other, even within their own guilds.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]I don't get it though... Humans can raid the Infernal Caves, they just choose not to.
Just like Humans can easily win Wotw, but they choose not to attend.
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Humans can easily get the lion's share of pos at Sacred Stone, but they choose not to.
Whenever I raid Conti during human ownership, no matter who I come across, they are always fighting by themselves and never have assistance from their guild (even if they're the GV holder and have trace).
The big problem with Hsoma is that nobody cooperates with each other, even within their own guilds.[/quote]
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#3 2015/03/08 10:25:32 |
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TYPHIN |
There is a big difference between the level of devs hanging out in IC as opposed to VOD that is why humans don't go.
Devs can pick off lowbies in wraith pit, prism, LL but the same cannot be said in reverse This proposal aims to alleviate the downside that one side is facing by providing an equally if not more beneficial alternative. Griefing lowbies regardless of whether they are the same race or not regardless or whether it's only once per soma day is still unfair. It's not the players fault the mob spread made it so they are forced to participate in pvp when they can't compete and just have to to out for 20mins And don't give me that bs of well they can just go abias Devs of that level are in hwan with the option of conti and that's an unfair alternative given the dedicated spawns there as opposed to say the wraith in abias or the fact that there are no lich Lord anywhere else This isn't ff11 online. We don't all group to take on one mob. The mentality of because the dev population is lower that we should boost their armor and weop dps is made a mockery given the facts. The facts being you wouldn't go one to one with a devil. You know you won't have conti for weeks and when you get it your lucky if you keep it for one. The biggest issue about race is parity. Regardless of the reasons why something doesn't work. A fair and equitable solution must be provided that works for both sides. There's no point in saying they could do this or that when you know they won't. That is not the solution when you sit on high knowing the issues and saying haha this will never change and it's GREAT for me because I will always benefit
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[quote="TYPHIN"]There is a big difference between the level of devs hanging out in IC as opposed to VOD that is why humans don't go.
Devs can pick off lowbies in wraith pit, prism, LL but the same cannot be said in reverse
This proposal aims to alleviate the downside that one side is facing by providing an equally if not more beneficial alternative.
Griefing lowbies regardless of whether they are the same race or not regardless or whether it's only once per soma day is still unfair. It's not the players fault the mob spread made it so they are forced to participate in pvp when they can't compete and just have to to out for 20mins
And don't give me that bs of well they can just go abias
Devs of that level are in hwan with the option of conti and that's an unfair alternative given the dedicated spawns there as opposed to say the wraith in abias or the fact that there are no lich Lord anywhere else
This isn't ff11 online. We don't all group to take on one mob. The mentality of because the dev population is lower that we should boost their armor and weop dps is made a mockery given the facts. The facts being you wouldn't go one to one with a devil. You know you won't have conti for weeks and when you get it your lucky if you keep it for one.
The biggest issue about race is parity. Regardless of the reasons why something doesn't work. A fair and equitable solution must be provided that works for both sides. There's no point in saying they could do this or that when you know they won't. That is not the solution when you sit on high knowing the issues and saying haha this will never change and it's GREAT for me because I will always benefit [/quote]
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#4 2015/03/08 10:54:54 |
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"TYPHIN"There is a big difference between the level of devs hanging out in IC as opposed to VOD that is why humans don't go. all I took from this post is 'I'd prefer to have LL's in Abias (or merc) and an increase spawns in Wraith in abias'. Other than that I agree with S0rc mostly.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="TYPHIN"]There is a big difference between the level of devs hanging out in IC as opposed to VOD that is why humans don't go.
Devs can pick off lowbies in wraith pit, prism, LL but the same cannot be said in reverse
This proposal aims to alleviate the downside that one side is facing by providing an equally if not more beneficial alternative.
Griefing lowbies regardless of whether they are the same race or not regardless or whether it's only once per soma day is still unfair. It's not the players fault the mob spread made it so they are forced to participate in pvp when they can't compete and just have to to out for 20mins
And don't give me that bs of well they can just go abias
Devs of that level are in hwan with the option of conti and that's an unfair alternative given the dedicated spawns there as opposed to say the wraith in abias or the fact that there are no lich Lord anywhere else
This isn't ff11 online. We don't all group to take on one mob. The mentality of because the dev population is lower that we should boost their armor and weop dps is made a mockery given the facts. The facts being you wouldn't go one to one with a devil. You know you won't have conti for weeks and when you get it your lucky if you keep it for one.
The biggest issue about race is parity. Regardless of the reasons why something doesn't work. A fair and equitable solution must be provided that works for both sides. There's no point in saying they could do this or that when you know they won't. That is not the solution when you sit on high knowing the issues and saying haha this will never change and it's GREAT for me because I will always benefit [/quote]
all I took from this post is 'I'd prefer to have LL's in Abias (or merc) and an increase spawns in Wraith in abias'.
Other than that I agree with S0rc mostly.
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#5 2015/03/08 11:26:21 |
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TYPHIN |
"GHOSTLORD" I was only trying to come at this issue from an 'amount of work required' perspective I'd have thought placing the two objects (the portal & the pos mark) would have been a more simple engaging way to spice up this particular aspect of race vs race for both sides. I've never been one for race vs race. I have never capped. I'm not looking at this from i want to own devs perspective. I just want a reasonable alternative to be left in peace to level my char. This aspect i find frustrating and one sided. I cannot do anything other than teleport out at present hence this suggestion. If GM's are amenable to providing alternative dedicated and viable alternatives to those offered in VOD im all for it, as i said i only thought from the amount of work that would be involved that one may be easier than the other since my example only used the int mobs as an example
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[quote="TYPHIN"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]
all I took from this post is 'I'd prefer to have LL's in Abias (or merc) and an increase spawns in Wraith in abias'.
Other than that I agree with S0rc mostly.
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I was only trying to come at this issue from an 'amount of work required' perspective
I'd have thought placing the two objects (the portal & the pos mark) would have been a more simple engaging way to spice up this particular aspect of race vs race for both sides.
I've never been one for race vs race. I have never capped. I'm not looking at this from i want to own devs perspective. I just want a reasonable alternative to be left in peace to level my char. This aspect i find frustrating and one sided. I cannot do anything other than teleport out at present hence this suggestion.
If GM's are amenable to providing alternative dedicated and viable alternatives to those offered in VOD im all for it, as i said i only thought from the amount of work that would be involved that one may be easier than the other since my example only used the int mobs as an example
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#6 2015/03/08 20:04:16 |
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NOTMAT |
Log out for 10 minutes, or go town for pots.
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#7 2015/03/08 20:45:17 |
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S0RCERER |
Wraith exist in Abias
Prismatic Shadow exist in Abias There are alternative monsters outside of VoD for most level characters. I still don't see an issue where making yourself scarce for 10 minutes every 4 hours is such a big deal when there are other places to hunt without any such interruptions.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]Wraith exist in Abias
Prismatic Shadow exist in Abias
There are alternative monsters outside of VoD for most level characters.
I still don't see an issue where making yourself scarce for 10 minutes every 4 hours is such a big deal when there are other places to hunt without any such interruptions.[/quote]
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#8 2015/03/08 20:59:02 |
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yeeeeh can hardly be called grieffing when its only 10 mins out of 4 hours. I imagine you've probably had worse off fellow humans. To be fair, every time i've raided with people our first target is never wraith. Usually blg / shanis then up to nightmare. If we don't find anyone there then yeh we probably would head on over to wraith. Everyone knows when we're on the way, what with the server notification etc. Would rather see it randomly open once every 4 hours and no notification thanks x
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[quote="NUCLEAR"]yeeeeh can hardly be called grieffing when its only 10 mins out of 4 hours. I imagine you've probably had worse off fellow humans. To be fair, every time i've raided with people our first target is never wraith. Usually blg / shanis then up to nightmare. If we don't find anyone there then yeh we probably would head on over to wraith. Everyone knows when we're on the way, what with the server notification etc. Would rather see it randomly open once every 4 hours and no notification thanks x[/quote]
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#9 2015/03/08 21:28:42 |
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"NUCLEAR"yeeeeh can hardly be called grieffing when its only 10 mins out of 4 hours. I imagine you've probably had worse off fellow humans. To be fair, every time i've raided with people our first target is never wraith. Usually blg / shanis then up to nightmare. If we don't find anyone there then yeh we probably would head on over to wraith. Everyone knows when we're on the way, what with the server notification etc. Would rather see it randomly open once every 4 hours and no notification thanks x I once spied one Stones and a few of his friends when they went to VoD. They showed the same attack method. I understand your point Typhin but I'm afraid at this point you'll have to run to Abias or just run in general when you see a devil. That said I'm all for updating abias wraith and prism spawn a little. That being said when I posted I only replied to one of the later posts. I quite like the original idea, however I'd do it a little different. what if devils can destroy a certain stone/rune/tower which either attacks back or has to be defended. When it is destroyed something happens for the destroying race, ie a boss or a pos gain. The same would happen in IC for humans of course. This would concentrate the higher lvls towards a goal.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="NUCLEAR"]yeeeeh can hardly be called grieffing when its only 10 mins out of 4 hours. I imagine you've probably had worse off fellow humans. To be fair, every time i've raided with people our first target is never wraith. Usually blg / shanis then up to nightmare. If we don't find anyone there then yeh we probably would head on over to wraith. Everyone knows when we're on the way, what with the server notification etc. Would rather see it randomly open once every 4 hours and no notification thanks x[/quote]
I once spied one Stones and a few of his friends when they went to VoD. They showed the same attack method.
I understand your point Typhin but I'm afraid at this point you'll have to run to Abias or just run in general when you see a devil. That said I'm all for updating abias wraith and prism spawn a little.
That being said when I posted I only replied to one of the later posts. I quite like the original idea, however I'd do it a little different.
what if devils can destroy a certain stone/rune/tower which either attacks back or has to be defended. When it is destroyed something happens for the destroying race, ie a boss or a pos gain. The same would happen in IC for humans of course.
This would concentrate the higher lvls towards a goal.[/quote]
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#10 2015/03/09 10:08:27 |
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TYPHIN |
That is the exact intention behind my suggestion ghost. Something like that sounds great
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#11 2015/03/09 15:58:17 |
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JAHEIRA |
personally I want to see a new event that's PVE (devils being able to attk a human town's npc's) with PVP elements (humans stoping devils from killing npcs) now the main focus for the devils would need to be attking the npc's (so some kind of benefit to this) and some kind of benefit for defending the npcs for humans
(human liver stock npc > adds mats for devil soma and increases the pot prices for humans upon death) just a basic idea, lots of things could be added As for t6, it sounds like it was added to make botting a little harder, cant exactly get griffed , as its only for 10 mins, yes a passing lvl 100 will probly 1 shot lower lvls only just in vod, guess that's the issue when u have a map for lvl's 30~100
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[quote="JAHEIRA"]personally I want to see a new event that's PVE (devils being able to attk a human town's npc's) with PVP elements (humans stoping devils from killing npcs) now the main focus for the devils would need to be attking the npc's (so some kind of benefit to this) and some kind of benefit for defending the npcs for humans
(human liver stock npc > adds mats for devil soma and increases the pot prices for humans upon death)
just a basic idea, lots of things could be added
As for t6, it sounds like it was added to make botting a little harder, cant exactly get griffed , as its only for 10 mins, yes a passing lvl 100 will probly 1 shot lower lvls only just in vod, guess that's the issue when u have a map for lvl's 30~100[/quote]
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#12 2015/03/09 16:42:46 |
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RAVER |
never played dsoma so aint a clue where popular spots are to raid in IC thats my excuss
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#13 2015/03/09 18:39:52 |
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JAHEIRA |
"RAVER"never played dsoma so aint a clue where popular spots are to raid in IC thats my excuss its not a popular place to hunt, EE get hunted for poisen plants only, Kharil lizards are hunted (which at at Lich lords location) which a lot of ppl BOT at, so easy kills there :D gogogogogogo then u have apai, which are for lvl 90+
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[quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="RAVER"]never played dsoma so aint a clue where popular spots are to raid in IC thats my excuss[/quote]
its not a popular place to hunt, EE get hunted for poisen plants only, Kharil lizards are hunted (which at at Lich lords location) which a lot of ppl BOT at, so easy kills there :D gogogogogogo
then u have apai, which are for lvl 90+[/quote]
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#14 2015/03/09 20:13:24 |
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TOLIC |
I raided IC once, by myself I might add, saw comp at KL and he 3 hit me so I just warped ;[
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#15 2015/03/10 11:00:20 |
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