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[quote="NEXUSJR"][quote="QUIMM"][quote="RED"]B speed is probly fine to hunt with, the problem comes when an axer trys to pvp any one with a decent amount of dex, then we req the speed to land hits knuckle req's the spd to make more hits than others to do dmg Axer req's the spd to make up for the miss's to do dmg[/quote] Perfect cheers, exactly what I was looking for. I was thinking too much about the hunting rather than the PvP and had only skimmed through the thread due to lack of quality posts. I personally loved Dsoma Axer after 4th, by far my favorite class. The main strength was the sheer speed you could level at with it. Other classes by far out dexed you but due to the sheer speed you tanked through levels it didn't matter too much as you were always higher than most of them. Can't speak for this server though, be interesting to see if the axers with 4th do a shower of leveling and how they fair against people.[/quote] Like the last poster said, it's really not a problem as to how fast I level, tbh it's slow as crap anyways lol regardless of atk speed. I tried to mention and key in on the point that PVP vs. other devils was where the problem lied. Third axe/Fifth axe(stone/paralyze) are both bugged(at least I assume 5th is, speaking with Ghostlord about it) to the point where it is utterly pointless to try to stone someone as they aren't on that square anymore or some other glitchy shit happened, spent hours last night in a PK battle only to watch players teleport from where I stoned them to off my screen. When I'm getting utterly outdexed by other devils(mages included), it becomes more of a "why bother" situation for me, as my greatest aura is nerfed and my second greatest is bugged. As for leveling, it does seem a little faster, but with the amount I'm about to have to punch soon, it doesn't make too much of a difference. Thanks for at least saying you didn't read many posts.. As for WHY there are so few complaining, it's because there's a grand total of 3 or 4 axers of any decent skill in the game, and according to a previous Isylver post on this, we needed to be able to test it in order to explain the problems with it. As of right now, there are TWO axers of ability to use 4th, and I don't see another one coming for a few weeks at the very LEAST.[/quote]

[quote="RAHAZ"]Hi all, Thanks alot for all the feedback, After having the aura for almost a week it has now become even more apparent how much it needs looking into. Just logged on a friends bower and were stood next to each other, He hits as fast with a bow. essentially a ranged 4th axe. Granted this is an epic bow, Swordies also hit as fast, It may be a split second slower, But put these classes side by side and its very minimal. Im not sure if your waiting for more people to get it before doing anything, but please look into this. [/quote]

[quote="O"]Make Axe 150 recoil job done next thread[/quote]

[quote="DOOV"]What an utter joke it is that, while every other class had every type of weapon (1h & 2h, bow & xbow) buffed speed wise due to tags,axe's core aura has been totally fucked up.I find it inconcievable that this has not been put right already, it actually makes me worried for the future development of the server, if such a blatant mistake is not corrected. Ridiculous. Bow btw.[/quote]

[quote="O"][quote="DOOV"]What an utter joke it is that, while every other class had every type of weapon (1h & 2h, bow & xbow) buffed speed wise due to tags,axe's core aura has been totally fucked up.I find it inconcievable that this has not been put right already, it actually makes me worried for the future development of the server, if such a blatant mistake is not corrected. Ridiculous. Bow btw.[/quote] It is clear that the aura has been nerfed to stop HSoma getting silly high dex and then power levelling through with 4th axe. What was completely overlooked was how none of this is possible within Dsoma. As you say, the fact that nothing has been done about this already is completely ridiculous. Make a new 4th aura for devils only A+ speed, and just be done with it. However - this is what happens when there are two people running a server which was originally designed and built over a long long long period of time. Two people can make the same mistake and things can be overlooked, but just put it right.[/quote]

[quote="KING"]The skill should never have been nerfed to begin with.[/quote]

[quote="KING"]It's just my personal opinion, it's not geared towards offending anyone. It certainly doesn't come from a position of being unappreciative.[/quote]

[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]In my opinion, with the current version of axe 2nd aura, 4th being nerfed does not seem so bad. The following is from my point of view of DSoma: I think axe with 4th should be the fastest levellers in DSoma (assuming they're using 2 handers). I think a small speed increase to the DSoma version is necessary to at least make axers kill enemies at the same pace as knuckle-users; currently they kill slower than most classes except Spear and maybe Bow. 2nd Axe is a completely different issue as well. Coupled with a Shield, a level 60 Axe user can get at least a boost of 30 defense ((100 CON * 0.15) + SerpentShield). 30 defense may not seem like much, but from the point of a knuckle-user it means I'll be doing close to 1 damage with some of my hits (even though I may be the same level as them, and with my final tier weapon). My damage would still range quite widely (1~80), but that's only because I have an intense knuckle (probably the only one in the game tbh), as a result other knuckle-users won't have that luxury. If you choose to make Axe 4th the same as it was before (A+ speed) then I truly believe 2nd Axe needs to be nerfed to compensate, maybe to [CON * 0.08] instead (8%), same as Dodge (which I also think has affected the knuckle-class negatively, as they have a hard time moving onto new monsters due to low CON and no shield accessiblity). That's just my opinion.[/quote]

[quote="CHOJINE"]I do feel your pain, however bow and nuk have also been nerfed with the dodge % reduction close to 50%. I would have expected the staff dodge aura to be less % than bow and nuk ( a logical expectation I would assume), but alas no, i'm sure it's for a reason, so just keep levelling.[/quote]

[quote="MALICE"]However a reply to JARAGOONDOO.. Most axers dex late game is laughable. So you will get hit maybe 1 every 5 or so hits. And on b speed you willl pretty much destroy them as there hit rate on you compared to yours on them is so low. Just my thoughts. I am punching a hell of alot and i got alot of dex for my level. But on average it taking me 10 hours etc a lvl at lvl 30+.[/quote]

[quote="ARRIS"][quote="ISYLVER"]Yes it should have especially from a hsoma point of view. Getting tired of people being armchair game masters (apparently everyone's an expert) I appreciate feedback done in the correct manner but snotty unappreciative responses are a sure fire way to be ignored or punished.[/quote] I'm dsoma axe at 100 skill and I'd like to say Thank you for operating and providing this service for us all.<Full stop[/quote]

[quote="BLAMMO"]just arandom idea... Why not add Accuracy to the 4th axe aura? keep it at b speed but couple it with say 5% accuracy.. This way devil axers will hit a little more, without them being abe to dodge anything still :D I also think Bow users evasion aura should be less than a nux users, but thats a different story altogether[/quote]