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Possible solution to Knuckles current dilemma.

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LURIFAX
"CYROX"Lurifax. I don't see the point you are trying to make. Majority of axers are bow as their second weap, this change is not dramatic enough for them to want to change.


Ofc you dont see the point, your a knux user :)

The point im trying to make, is that many ajustments made atm, are made based on request to buff / nerf something.

Often it seems to me, its not taken into account what the impact will be to things not directly affected.

Let me know if you need examples ;)
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[quote="LURIFAX"][quote="CYROX"]Lurifax. I don't see the point you are trying to make. Majority of axers are bow as their second weap, this change is not dramatic enough for them to want to change. [/quote] Ofc you dont see the point, your a knux user :) The point im trying to make, is that many ajustments made atm, are made based on request to buff / nerf something. Often it seems to me, its not taken into account what the impact will be to things not directly affected. Let me know if you need examples ;)[/quote]
 #31 2013/11/01 19:10:38
GHOSTLORD
"FUJITORA"
"GHOSTLORD"I
What if we changed bow 2nd into accuracy and keep knuckle as dodge


I hope this is some kind of bad joke, bow is already the most overpowered weapon by a long way, probably 80% of humans are using bow (well forced into using bow simply because it is so good)

Give it any accuracy and everyone and his mums dog will be running around with bow if they arent already.


It was an idea that I proposed on the old forums, back then it wasn't very much liked either. I added it to see how people would react, a successful experiment I would say. In all honesty I do think it could work, but it would need way too many game changing changes.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="FUJITORA"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]I What if we changed bow 2nd into accuracy and keep knuckle as dodge[/quote] I hope this is some kind of bad joke, bow is already the most overpowered weapon by a long way, probably 80% of humans are using bow (well forced into using bow simply because it is so good) Give it any accuracy and everyone and his mums dog will be running around with bow if they arent already. [/quote] It was an idea that I proposed on the old forums, back then it wasn't very much liked either. I added it to see how people would react, a successful experiment I would say. In all honesty I do think it could work, but it would need way too many game changing changes.[/quote]
 #32 2013/11/01 19:14:45
YOSHIMITSU
"FUJITORA"
http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/guild.asp?guild=%C3%81%C3%BA%C2%B5%C3%84%C2%B4%C2%AB%C3%88%C3%8B

http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/Guild.asp?guild=No_Mercy

http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/guild.asp?guild=Equilibrium
(Equilibrium not so much, but many are bow as 2nd highest wep [Zyzz / Acaelus / Horus]


That's fucking mental.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="FUJITORA"] http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/guild.asp?guild=%C3%81%C3%BA%C2%B5%C3%84%C2%B4%C2%AB%C3%88%C3%8B http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/Guild.asp?guild=No_Mercy http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/guild.asp?guild=Equilibrium (Equilibrium not so much, but many are bow as 2nd highest wep [Zyzz / Acaelus / Horus] [/quote] That's fucking mental.[/quote]
 #33 2013/11/01 21:47:19
CARNAGE
"RAZOR"
"FUJITORA"

http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/guild.asp?guild=%C3%81%C3%BA%C2%B5%C3%84%C2%B4%C2%AB%C3%88%C3%8B



That shocked me.


Dsoma isn't any better either, probably like 70% of dsoma is bow.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="RAZOR"][quote="FUJITORA"] http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/guild.asp?guild=%C3%81%C3%BA%C2%B5%C3%84%C2%B4%C2%AB%C3%88%C3%8B [/quote] That shocked me. [/quote] Dsoma isn't any better either, probably like 70% of dsoma is bow.[/quote]
 #34 2013/11/01 22:05:05
SHATTERSTAR
"LURIFAX"
"CYROX"Lurifax. I don't see the point you are trying to make. Majority of axers are bow as their second weap, this change is not dramatic enough for them to want to change.


Ofc you dont see the point, your a knux user :)

The point im trying to make, is that many ajustments made atm, are made based on request to buff / nerf something.

Often it seems to me, its not taken into account what the impact will be to things not directly affected.

Let me know if you need examples ;)


Let le guess you are a sheep and went bow because it was the better weapon by a long distance?
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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"][quote="LURIFAX"][quote="CYROX"]Lurifax. I don't see the point you are trying to make. Majority of axers are bow as their second weap, this change is not dramatic enough for them to want to change. [/quote] Ofc you dont see the point, your a knux user :) The point im trying to make, is that many ajustments made atm, are made based on request to buff / nerf something. Often it seems to me, its not taken into account what the impact will be to things not directly affected. Let me know if you need examples ;)[/quote] Let le guess you are a sheep and went bow because it was the better weapon by a long distance?[/quote]
 #35 2013/11/02 09:39:08
JARAGOONDOO
I'm not sure I agree with increasing the damage on knuckles across the board.

The point of a knuckle is to DPS, and not burst as well as the other weapons. Mathematically speaking, the tag system improves knuckle's overall DPS by the same % as any other weapon.

Remember, knuckle attacks the fastest so the tiniest increase in damage has a more profound effect.

But I do like the idea of improving 4th damage; that'll help out a bit in PvP.
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]I'm not sure I agree with increasing the damage on knuckles across the board. The point of a knuckle is to DPS, and not burst as well as the other weapons. Mathematically speaking, the tag system improves knuckle's overall DPS by the same % as any other weapon. Remember, knuckle attacks the fastest so the tiniest increase in damage has a more profound effect. But I do like the idea of improving 4th damage; that'll help out a bit in PvP.[/quote]
 #36 2013/11/02 09:58:02
S0RCERER
"JARAGOONDOO"I'm not sure I agree with increasing the damage on knuckles across the board.

The point of a knuckle is to DPS, and not burst as well as the other weapons. Mathematically speaking, the tag system improves knuckle's overall DPS by the same % as any other weapon.

Remember, knuckle attacks the fastest so the tiniest increase in damage has a more profound effect.

But I do like the idea of improving 4th damage; that'll help out a bit in PvP.


This would be true, if the speed of a knuckle was increased by the same proportion that the damage of weapons are increased.

This isn't the case.

It seems that recoil is increased in much smaller increments.

If we take Intense tag weapons (approx 40% increase in damage) you can see that the recoil is not reduced by the same quantity.

Take an Axe of Oblivion, give it the best Intense stat you can find, you'll still have an E speed axe, but the damage would've gone from 75~95 to 106~131 (roughly)

If damage is not your strong point, but speed is, knuckle is the class that benefits the least from the tag system as speed bonus from tags is rubbish compared to damage.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]I'm not sure I agree with increasing the damage on knuckles across the board. The point of a knuckle is to DPS, and not burst as well as the other weapons. Mathematically speaking, the tag system improves knuckle's overall DPS by the same % as any other weapon. Remember, knuckle attacks the fastest so the tiniest increase in damage has a more profound effect. But I do like the idea of improving 4th damage; that'll help out a bit in PvP.[/quote] This would be true, if the speed of a knuckle was increased by the same proportion that the damage of weapons are increased. This isn't the case. It seems that recoil is increased in much smaller increments. If we take Intense tag weapons (approx 40% increase in damage) you can see that the recoil is not reduced by the same quantity. Take an Axe of Oblivion, give it the best Intense stat you can find, you'll still have an E speed axe, but the damage would've gone from 75~95 to 106~131 (roughly) If damage is not your strong point, but speed is, knuckle is the class that benefits the least from the tag system as speed bonus from tags is rubbish compared to damage.[/quote]
 #37 2013/11/02 10:38:21
CHOJINE
Isylver has verified that Knuckle dodge % is being upped to 10% and Knuckles 4th damage is being upped to 25 with 15 second cool down ( Bows cool down is 30 seconds with 35 damage).

I believe this will help us Knucklers out a lot :).
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[quote="CHOJINE"]Isylver has verified that Knuckle dodge % is being upped to 10% and Knuckles 4th damage is being upped to 25 with 15 second cool down ( Bows cool down is 30 seconds with 35 damage). I believe this will help us Knucklers out a lot :).[/quote]
 #38 2013/11/02 11:38:55
GHOSTLORD
"CHOJINE"Isylver has verified that Knuckle dodge % is being upped to 10% and Knuckles 4th damage is being upped to 25 with 15 second cool down ( Bows cool down is 30 seconds with 35 damage).

I believe this will help us Knucklers out a lot :).


I had a question about this on Skype so I asked iSylver to confirm this. He did.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="CHOJINE"]Isylver has verified that Knuckle dodge % is being upped to 10% and Knuckles 4th damage is being upped to 25 with 15 second cool down ( Bows cool down is 30 seconds with 35 damage). I believe this will help us Knucklers out a lot :).[/quote] I had a question about this on Skype so I asked iSylver to confirm this. He did.[/quote]
 #39 2013/11/02 12:22:36
JARAGOONDOO
Isn't the current cooldown on Knuckle 4th about 10-12 seconds? I might just be going crazy, but if that's true then that is a nerf... (3 more damage for 5 seconds additional cooldown?)

Also, in reply to S0rc:

Knuckle has a higher base attack speed; as such tagged weapons do not NEED to have a damage increase proportional to other weapons (rather it should be proportional to itself, which it is).

Increasing damage or speed on tagged knuckles will make it the most OP weapon in the game, we already kill anything faster than every other class, why make it hit as hard as 1-handed swords (or close to) with much higher speed?
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Isn't the current cooldown on Knuckle 4th about 10-12 seconds? I might just be going crazy, but if that's true then that is a nerf... (3 more damage for 5 seconds additional cooldown?) Also, in reply to S0rc: Knuckle has a higher base attack speed; as such tagged weapons do not NEED to have a damage increase proportional to other weapons (rather it should be proportional to itself, which it is). Increasing damage or speed on tagged knuckles will make it the most OP weapon in the game, we already kill anything faster than every other class, why make it hit as hard as 1-handed swords (or close to) with much higher speed?[/quote]
 #40 2013/11/02 12:31:26
GHOSTLORD
"JARAGOONDOO"Isn't the current cooldown on Knuckle 4th about 10-12 seconds? I might just be going crazy, but if that's true then that is a nerf... (3 more damage for 5 seconds additional cooldown?)



Cooldown + 3 damage + 3.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Isn't the current cooldown on Knuckle 4th about 10-12 seconds? I might just be going crazy, but if that's true then that is a nerf... (3 more damage for 5 seconds additional cooldown?) [/quote] Cooldown + 3 damage + 3.[/quote]
 #41 2013/11/02 12:33:02
JARAGOONDOO
Definitely a nerf then.
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Definitely a nerf then.[/quote]
 #42 2013/11/02 12:37:12
FUJITORA
"JARAGOONDOO"
Increasing damage or speed on tagged knuckles will make it the most OP weapon in the game, we already kill anything faster than every other class, why make it hit as hard as 1-handed swords (or close to) with much higher speed?


I would tend to disagree, knuk already kills slightly faster than any other wep in hsoma, but yet there are so few knuckles around compared to archers, why? because bow is just so much better in terms of damage, range, auras (trace) and well once people start upgrading their weapons with ToEs / SS and people have fast bows, knuckle will die out even more than it is currently.

I am only talking about the low attack on high end hsoma knuckles, i am not referring to dsoma in any way, although they may suffer from a similar problem.


I still propose a 10% increase to attack on knuckles.
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[quote="FUJITORA"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"] Increasing damage or speed on tagged knuckles will make it the most OP weapon in the game, we already kill anything faster than every other class, why make it hit as hard as 1-handed swords (or close to) with much higher speed?[/quote] I would tend to disagree, knuk already kills slightly faster than any other wep in hsoma, but yet there are so few knuckles around compared to archers, why? because bow is just so much better in terms of damage, range, auras (trace) and well once people start upgrading their weapons with ToEs / SS and people have fast bows, knuckle will die out even more than it is currently. I am only talking about the low attack on high end hsoma knuckles, i am not referring to dsoma in any way, although they may suffer from a similar problem. I still propose a 10% increase to attack on knuckles.[/quote]
 #43 2013/11/02 12:38:25
GHOSTLORD
"FUJITORA"
"JARAGOONDOO"
Increasing damage or speed on tagged knuckles will make it the most OP weapon in the game, we already kill anything faster than every other class, why make it hit as hard as 1-handed swords (or close to) with much higher speed?


I would tend to disagree, knuk already kills slightly faster than any other wep in hsoma, but yet there are so few knuckles around compared to archers, why? because bow is just so much better in terms of damage, range, auras (trace) and well once people start upgrading their weapons with ToEs / SS and people have fast bows, knuckle will die out even more than it is currently.

I am only talking about the low attack on high end hsoma knuckles, i am not referring to dsoma in any way, although they may suffer from a similar problem.


I still propose a 10% increase to attack on knuckles.


SS / ToE aren't a percentual increase like tagged weapons, so surely each weapon gets the same buff from it? Then again, because bows have more damage their DPS will go up faster from the speed. I stand corrected, nevermind.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="FUJITORA"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"] Increasing damage or speed on tagged knuckles will make it the most OP weapon in the game, we already kill anything faster than every other class, why make it hit as hard as 1-handed swords (or close to) with much higher speed?[/quote] I would tend to disagree, knuk already kills slightly faster than any other wep in hsoma, but yet there are so few knuckles around compared to archers, why? because bow is just so much better in terms of damage, range, auras (trace) and well once people start upgrading their weapons with ToEs / SS and people have fast bows, knuckle will die out even more than it is currently. I am only talking about the low attack on high end hsoma knuckles, i am not referring to dsoma in any way, although they may suffer from a similar problem. I still propose a 10% increase to attack on knuckles.[/quote] SS / ToE aren't a percentual increase like tagged weapons, so surely each weapon gets the same buff from it? Then again, because bows have more damage their DPS will go up faster from the speed. I stand corrected, nevermind.[/quote]
 #44 2013/11/02 12:55:47
LURIFAX
"SHATTERSTAR"Let le guess you are a sheep and went bow because it was the better weapon by a long distance?


Im no sheep, but ofc i use bow. I played Esoma and have a brain.

The fact you dident go bow, just proves your the sheep ?
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[quote="LURIFAX"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"]Let le guess you are a sheep and went bow because it was the better weapon by a long distance?[/quote] Im no sheep, but ofc i use bow. I played Esoma and have a brain. The fact you dident go bow, just proves your the sheep ? [/quote]
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