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NEOXIAN |
seems pointless that our best skill is only range 1, makes spear 2nd aura even more used as 4th is pointless. anything we can do here gm's <3
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#1 2013/11/02 19:56:50 |
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GHOSTLORD |
Not sure if just fixing the range will be enough. With the huge cooldown compared to 2nd and the survivability from 3rd/5th it is still one of the worst spear auras there is. I must add though (for dsoma) spear is one of the classes with the least problems. HSoma could use an increase in spear users as far as I'm aware.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Not sure if just fixing the range will be enough. With the huge cooldown compared to 2nd and the survivability from 3rd/5th it is still one of the worst spear auras there is. I must add though (for dsoma) spear is one of the classes with the least problems. HSoma could use an increase in spear users as far as I'm aware.[/quote]
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#2 2013/11/03 12:45:28 |
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PATHOLOGIST |
Spear was always like that, it's not changed :o
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#3 2013/11/03 13:21:26 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"PATHOLOGIST"Spear was always like that, it's not changed :o That doesn't make it better though. xD |
#4 2013/11/03 13:23:14 |
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S0RCERER |
"GHOSTLORD""PATHOLOGIST"Spear was always like that, it's not changed :o Not really a problem with 4th as much as it is a problem with 2nd being too strong. 4th spear is the same as 4th sword, but swordies use 4th sword over 3rd. 2nd spear has short CD and is range 2. I'd say the bonus to 4th spear is for the combo damage. If anything needed doing, 2nd spear should have damage penalty much like 3rd knuckle/sword have (80% dmg) so that 4th spear looks more attractive.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="PATHOLOGIST"]Spear was always like that, it's not changed :o[/quote]
That doesn't make it better though. xD[/quote]
Not really a problem with 4th as much as it is a problem with 2nd being too strong.
4th spear is the same as 4th sword, but swordies use 4th sword over 3rd.
2nd spear has short CD and is range 2.
I'd say the bonus to 4th spear is for the combo damage. If anything needed doing, 2nd spear should have damage penalty much like 3rd knuckle/sword have (80% dmg) so that 4th spear looks more attractive.[/quote]
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#5 2013/11/03 14:36:19 |
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BLACKHAT |
"GHOSTLORD"Not sure if just fixing the range will be enough. With the huge cooldown compared to 2nd and the survivability from 3rd/5th it is still one of the worst spear auras there is. I must add though (for dsoma) spear is one of the classes with the least problems. HSoma could use an increase in spear users as far as I'm aware. As someone who achieved 4th Spear in Esoma in Hsoma, spear is often misunderstood. Spear is awesome, however, similar to axe it just isnt a viable weapon lategame. I feel that Spear's purpose is to be a burst weapon, to do lots of damage in a short space of time, it is not meant to be fast even though i've often wanted the E/F speeds to stop dropping. What spear needs is a hefty increase in damage on 4th and a better min damage on most of the spears. Keep the long cooldown, keep the slow speeds, but up damage.
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[quote="BLACKHAT"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]Not sure if just fixing the range will be enough. With the huge cooldown compared to 2nd and the survivability from 3rd/5th it is still one of the worst spear auras there is. I must add though (for dsoma) spear is one of the classes with the least problems. HSoma could use an increase in spear users as far as I'm aware.[/quote]
As someone who achieved 4th Spear in Esoma in Hsoma, spear is often misunderstood.
Spear is awesome, however, similar to axe it just isnt a viable weapon lategame.
I feel that Spear's purpose is to be a burst weapon, to do lots of damage in a short space of time, it is not meant to be fast even though i've often wanted the E/F speeds to stop dropping.
What spear needs is a hefty increase in damage on 4th and a better min damage on most of the spears. Keep the long cooldown, keep the slow speeds, but up damage.
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#6 2013/11/06 13:42:48 |
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S0RCERER |
I disagree.
Again, the only reason 4th looks bad is because 2nd is so good. Give 2nd spear the same treatment as 3rd knuck/sword (80% dmg) and you'll see many more people using 4th spear in pvp. |
#7 2013/11/06 14:10:41 |
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CARNAGE |
"S0RCERER""GHOSTLORD""PATHOLOGIST"Spear was always like that, it's not changed :o These days I've actually started using 3rd over 4th purely because of cooldown reasons.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="S0RCERER"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="PATHOLOGIST"]Spear was always like that, it's not changed :o[/quote]
That doesn't make it better though. xD[/quote]
Not really a problem with 4th as much as it is a problem with 2nd being too strong.
4th spear is the same as 4th sword, but swordies use 4th sword over 3rd.
2nd spear has short CD and is range 2.
I'd say the bonus to 4th spear is for the combo damage. If anything needed doing, 2nd spear should have damage penalty much like 3rd knuckle/sword have (80% dmg) so that 4th spear looks more attractive.[/quote]
These days I've actually started using 3rd over 4th purely because of cooldown reasons.[/quote]
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#8 2013/11/06 14:45:09 |
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NEOXIAN |
I disagree with you sorc, spear users don't have the Dex that sword have or the weapon speed (4th) axe has it is left in limbo with the ONLY viable levelling source being 2nd any Nerf to this would render spear useless.
I'm merely from a sensible perspective asking 4th spear as a minimum have range 2 added to it which to most won't make any difference the only use being a whopping 30 more dmg burst for killing someone on a surrounded stone. If 4th is left as it is it's no major gripe it just doesn't fit with spear which is generally a range 2 class.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]I disagree with you sorc, spear users don't have the Dex that sword have or the weapon speed (4th) axe has it is left in limbo with the ONLY viable levelling source being 2nd any Nerf to this would render spear useless.
I'm merely from a sensible perspective asking 4th spear as a minimum have range 2 added to it which to most won't make any difference the only use being a whopping 30 more dmg burst for killing someone on a surrounded stone.
If 4th is left as it is it's no major gripe it just doesn't fit with spear which is generally a range 2 class.
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#9 2013/11/06 17:55:35 |
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S0RCERER |
You can't say a 7~8sec CD with 100% hitrate and (100%(+5dmg)) ability would be rendered useless if it was changed to (80%(+5dmg)).
4th would simply be made more attractive in pvp. PVE you'd level at the exact same speed and continue to use 2nd. |
#10 2013/11/06 18:00:19 |
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NEOXIAN |
no it wouldn't render it useless but it would unfairly and unnaturally unbalance spear which as it stands is an ok, but not overpowered class, perfectly balanced even, range 2 on 4th is inisignificant but seems necessary/
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#11 2013/11/06 22:40:47 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"NEOXIAN"no it wouldn't render it useless but it would unfairly and unnaturally unbalance spear which as it stands is an ok, but not overpowered class, perfectly balanced even, range 2 on 4th is inisignificant but seems necessary/ Range 2 on 4th would be a buff and as you said spear is the most perfectly balanced of all. IF 4th was made range 2 I'd say remove the 5 damage on 2nd. Spear on DSoma is fine though, if anything HSoma spears should be boosted.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="NEOXIAN"]no it wouldn't render it useless but it would unfairly and unnaturally unbalance spear which as it stands is an ok, but not overpowered class, perfectly balanced even, range 2 on 4th is inisignificant but seems necessary/[/quote]
Range 2 on 4th would be a buff and as you said spear is the most perfectly balanced of all. IF 4th was made range 2 I'd say remove the 5 damage on 2nd.
Spear on DSoma is fine though, if anything HSoma spears should be boosted.[/quote]
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#12 2013/11/07 12:28:11 |
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NEOXIAN |
Ghostlord you are missing the point.
removing even the bonus 5 damage from spear 2nd is an unneccesary nerf as i stated, spear is generally a well balanced class as it is. making 4th range 2 will have little to no impact on gameplay whatsoever and as such shouldn't require 2nd to be nerfed subsequently. The only uses there would be for spear 4th as range 2 would be to pk noob gbirders/runners with more burst over 2nd and occsaionaly when gvw stone is packed and you're calling burst on the player (this is rare , as 2nd is literally 4x the dps of 4th) 4th knuckle has only a little more cooldown than spear 2nd and is +25 dmg which wil make knuck very powerful endgame. I don't see spear 4th being increased to range 2 in line with all over spear attacks to be an issue.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]Ghostlord you are missing the point.
removing even the bonus 5 damage from spear 2nd is an unneccesary nerf as i stated, spear is generally a well balanced class as it is.
making 4th range 2 will have little to no impact on gameplay whatsoever and as such shouldn't require 2nd to be nerfed subsequently.
The only uses there would be for spear 4th as range 2 would be to pk noob gbirders/runners with more burst over 2nd and occsaionaly when gvw stone is packed and you're calling burst on the player (this is rare , as 2nd is literally 4x the dps of 4th)
4th knuckle has only a little more cooldown than spear 2nd and is +25 dmg which wil make knuck very powerful endgame. I don't see spear 4th being increased to range 2 in line with all over spear attacks to be an issue.[/quote]
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#13 2013/11/08 07:39:20 |
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TAKESHI |
No don't nerf 2nd, that's the whole reason that I ever go spear lol
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#14 2013/11/08 10:54:36 |
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