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[quote="JACKELPUP"][b]Drazil Vs. Elite Lizardmen[/b] (Just for fun) [b]Character Data :[/b] Level 87, 110.8 Strength, 106.2 Dexterity [b]Weapon :[/b] Untagged Stinger [b]Empirical Data[/b] 0.1 Strength gained from 108 Drazil Kills and 87 Elite Lizardmen Kills with 7.38% Experience Gain. 0.1 Strength gained from 185 Elite Lizardmen Kills and Zero Drazil Kills with 7.43% Experience Gain. [b]Extrapolated Data[/b] 185 Elite Lizardmen = 0.1 Strength (0.04% Exp each) Total 7.43% Exp 185 Drazil = 0.1 Strength (0.036% Exp each) Total 6.66% Exp 168 Elite Lizardmen = 0.1 Dexterity (0.04% Exp each) Total 6.72% Exp 168 Drazil = 0.1 Dexterity (0.036% Exp each) Total 6.05% Exp [b]Additional Information : Beast Lord Guardians[/b] 192 BLGs = 0.1 Strength (0.038% Exp each) Total of 7.30% Exp 174 BLGs = 0.1 Dexterity (0.038% Exp Each) Total of 6.56% Exp [b]Quid Pro Quo[/b] It therefore appears that Drazil offer approximately 10% less Exp per 0.1 Str/Dex (Meaning that Drazil are a10% more efficient than Elite Lizardmen) It also appears from the additional BLG information that BLGs are precisely midway between Drazil and Elite Lizardmen for Experience efficiency. [b]Some Confirmed Drop Spots[/b] [b]Drazil[/b] X 17 Y 437 Apus Bow X 32 Y 434 Drazil Bone X 34 Y 438 Bone Helm X 37 Y 435 Crystal Staff X 41 Y 429 HP +50 Pot X 41 Y 429 Ruby Spear X 45 Y 551 The Ripper X 67 Y 617 Apus Bow X 74 Y 516 Apus Bow X 74 Y 614 Judgement Axe X 78 Y 514 Judgement Axe X 91 Y 547 Knight sword X 94 Y 608 The Ripper X 124 Y 558 Conqueror Spear X 126 Y 564 Apus Bow X 131 Y 613 Judgement Axe X 135 Y 621 Conqueror Spear X 163 Y 551 Judgement Axe X 182 Y 562 Raptor Knuckle [b]Elite Lizardmen[/b] X 31 Y 433 Bone Pads X 31 Y 433 Priest Staff X 32 Y 514 Priest Staff X 37 Y 435 Akah Crossbow X 38 Y 448 Saw Knuckle X 64 Y 562 Bone Boots X 65 Y 553 Bone Pads X 70 Y 554 HP +50 Pot X 77 Y 551 Akah Crossbow X 77 Y 557 Knight Sword X 81 Y 561 Saw Knuckle X 85 Y 563 Akah Crossbow X 85 Y 613 Bone Pads X 94 Y 494 Judgement Axe X 108 Y 568 Bone Boots X 127 Y 479 Priest Staff X 128 Y 600 Conqueror Spear X 132 Y 618 Saw Knuckle X 134 Y 518 Judgement Axe X 135 Y 567 Raw Sword X 168 Y 548 Saw Knuckle X 169 Y 577 Conqueror Spear X 211 Y 621 Conqueror Spear 8) Jac NB. Updated 2/2/16 to include BLG data (above) for comparison.[/quote]

[quote="_JR_"]Sorry to hi-jack but 23 drops in 185 lizardmen????[/quote]

[quote="JACKELPUP"]The drop lists aren't all from this "exercise". Since the last Elite Lizardman thread, it became clear that "certain" mobs drop "certain" items in "certain" places (for instance, I couldn't find the Lizzy's that dropped Apus bows). I was well into hunting for the various spawns before I decided to do the Experience experiment and had already logged a load of "drop spots" (same with Drazil) The thread is only really the EXP variant between the mobs (the drop spots are a billy bonus) 8) Jac[/quote]

[quote="TORMENTOR"][quote="JACKELPUP"]The drop lists aren't all from this "exercise". Since the last Elite Lizardman thread, it became clear that "certain" mobs drop "certain" items in "certain" places (for instance, I couldn't find the Lizzy's that dropped Apus bows). I was well into hunting for the various spawns before I decided to do the Experience experiment and had already logged a load of "drop spots" (same with Drazil) The thread is only really the EXP variant between the mobs (the drop spots are a billy bonus) 8) Jac[/quote] If you require any drop information @Tormentor, only applies to eSoma spawns but i can check the database for you to see what items drop at what spawns. 8) Torm[/quote]

[quote="JACKELPUP"]The location of the Elite lizardmen that drop Apus bows would be very nice (which I what I have been looking for without success) Fanks ! 8) Jac[/quote]

[quote="GINGESTRO"]Isn't it approximately 10% less at drazil for 1.0 str/dex not per 0.1? It's less than 1% different per 0.1 in your above post. *edit* - I completely misread that. They are approximately 10% more efficient, gotcha. Apologies. [/quote]

[quote="TORMENTOR"][quote="JACKELPUP"]The location of the Elite lizardmen that drop Apus bows would be very nice (which I what I have been looking for without success) Fanks ! 8) Jac[/quote] x14 y560 - x238 y560 Theres 41 spawns for elite lizardman in the normal soma database, 40 out of 41 of them have the exact same drops apart from this one... Theres 4 of them at spawn between those co ordinates and the respawn time on those 4 are nearly 4 times longer than all the other 40 spawns. So yeah good luck getting an apus bow from them! sorry xox Other items that drop from this spawn are Knight Shield Tower Shield Conqueror Spear Ruby Spear Raw Sword Knight Sword The Crusher Judgement Axe Bow of Force Bone Pads Bone Pads Single shout scroll Knight Shield Tower Shield [/quote]

[quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]These are really good to read, and informative. But I really worry about your stats and I urge you to go to blg for the next 8 or so levels.[/quote]

[quote="JACKELPUP"]I have now added BLGs (Beast Lord Guardians) to the original post as a comparison to Drazil and Elite Lizardmen. The data (with the same character and character stats) is; 192 BLGs = 0.1 Strength (0.038% Exp each) Total of 7.30% Exp 174 BLGs = 0.1 Dexterity (0.038% Exp Each) Total of 6.56% Exp This places them precisely at the midway point between Drazil and Elite Lizardmen for "Experience" efficiency. (You can see the comparison in the opening thread) The differences are actually all quite small .... 8) Jac[/quote]

[quote="SANDOKAN"]I always thought blg are better for stats than drazil since blg have more str than drazil (140 compared to 135) they should not be worse than drazil tbh ...[/quote]

[quote="HORIZON"]Correct me If I'm wrong, but fairly sure hoarde shanis would give you best stats per % at your current str. That is how stats are worked out, how much str you have compared to the mob. There is a weird zone on hsoma where blg give the best stats per % from like 97-107 str (an example I forget the exact) then hoarde shanis give best from 107-117 then you have to go back to blg for the rest of time. That's why these supernoob chars that have cropped up only hunt mobs way too strong for them, to get the bonus.[/quote]

[quote="MONOLITH"]Could the conti exp bonus explain this, it does seem odd that Drazil are giving better stats?[/quote]

[quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="HORIZON"]Correct me If I'm wrong, but fairly sure hoarde shanis would give you best stats per % at your current str.....[/quote] .... I have absolutely no idea. I know how to find out though .... [quote="MONOLITH"]Could the conti exp bonus explain this, it does seem odd that Drazil are giving better stats?[/quote] .... Still no idea, sorry ... 8) Jac [/quote]

[quote="MAGICALAPE"]You are definitely getting some odd gains here, i did alot of testing with how much % the top mobs would take at what str and which was most efficient % wise, and generally no matter what, blg give the best %, but at certain strs(when you hit the blg "Slowdowns") shanis, drazil and lizardmen would be equal % as blg. [quote="MONOLITH"]Could the conti exp bonus explain this, it does seem odd that Drazil are giving better stats?[/quote] The conti win % is for all maps.[/quote]

[quote="KIIITE"]I remembered were Liz dropped epic Apus from 16 years ago only cos it was the last mobs I was on Iv had 4 epic Apus from there so far it's by the building to the right [/quote]