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"VEX"What lvl are you? how do you know what does what dmg? I think the question is, what is so different about this server that makes archers supposedly not op? There are a lot of archers in Dsoma from what i've seen and in every server in the past archers have always been the class you pick if you want to be untouchable at a high level compared to other classes. If you look at http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/pos.asp You can see straight away, there are more devil archers in the pos ranks than any other class. The first and 3rd position are occupied by archers. There are 6 archers, 4 Mages, 2 sword and 1 spear user in the top 15 knuckle and axe does not even figure into it. That is not a fluke at all and while Mages have great killing power, they rival an archer which can take damage as well as dealing it. Unless there has been a major shift in the way archers work in this server compared to others then I think it is safe to presume they will be just about the same, which is much stronger than other classes around the same level. That is why many people choose to play it afterall.
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[quote="CIROSE"][quote="VEX"]What lvl are you? how do you know what does what dmg?
Like i said i dont speak for Hsoma but on Dsoma archers are in no way overpowered,
Again in the post following this can you include the proof of this please and any other such claims people say.
Archers have the lowest damage as i already said in the previous thread, whatever class you are you have to be stationery to Attack full stop , lets not include feather spam here please as thats an issue with the item , as it can be used by mages too.
Shields make a huge difference when it means you do no damage, yet one handers do more dmg than bows still? "one handers"
i can do what you do ....
Range dont really make a difference when you cant do damage to anyone ,
Strength Gives people the ability to harass
Intelligence gives people the ability to harass
Soma would be better off withought these
Proof please? lets see it in the very next post. [/quote]
I think the question is, what is so different about this server that makes archers supposedly not op?
There are a lot of archers in Dsoma from what i've seen and in every server in the past archers have always been the class you pick if you want to be untouchable at a high level compared to other classes.
If you look at http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/pos.asp
You can see straight away, there are more devil archers in the pos ranks than any other class. The first and 3rd position are occupied by archers. There are 6 archers, 4 Mages, 2 sword and 1 spear user in the top 15 knuckle and axe does not even figure into it. That is not a fluke at all and while Mages have great killing power, they rival an archer which can take damage as well as dealing it.
Unless there has been a major shift in the way archers work in this server compared to others then I think it is safe to presume they will be just about the same, which is much stronger than other classes around the same level. That is why many people choose to play it afterall.[/quote]
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#31 2013/11/16 23:37:07 |
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right your armoury link regards to pos , most of that was from early days , people have used it on things like gender pots ect, some of those players i have not seen for a very long time now. SS event, means absolutely nothing.
what you presume is based on old server which is far from this in any way?, i am telling you from the fact i play this game at a high enough lvl to have experienced it , Can you read , or are you just ignoring the things you dont like about you know BOWS have the LOWEST damage ONE handed weps have more at least on dsoma, Oh and like i also said but somehow you disregarded it and went with your own claim about being lots of archers, there is lots of all classes in the game theres only a small choice and playing this game let me tell you i see more other classes than archers on dsoma fact, knuckles/axe are the only ones that i dont see so much So im wondering too what happened to that proof? how is it you know so much about all classes when you have punched mostly and was lvl 20 odd or am i liar , tell me what proof do you want to see of what i have said? Oh btw , esoma was corrupt this must be too i presume My 4th often does less damage than an arrow would have , gladly trade trace for any other third , same goes for 5th sorry third but in coords Another thing , Bow is such a beast(GM Like) power , why was it always pretty much a requirement to have axe too? the reason axe 4th was changed , to prevent exactly that. One thing you seem to not take into account is that the highest "LVL" players of any class will be OP to lower levels thats pretty normal and intended.
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[quote="VEX"]right your armoury link regards to pos , most of that was from early days , people have used it on things like gender pots ect, some of those players i have not seen for a very long time now. SS event, means absolutely nothing.
what you presume is based on old server which is far from this in any way?, i am telling you from the fact i play this game at a high enough lvl to have experienced it ,
Can you read , or are you just ignoring the things you dont like about you know
BOWS have the LOWEST damage
ONE handed weps have more at least on dsoma,
Oh and like i also said but somehow you disregarded it and went with your own claim about being lots of archers, there is lots of all classes in the game theres only a small choice and playing this game let me tell you i see more other classes than archers on dsoma fact, knuckles/axe are the only ones that i dont see so much
So im wondering too what happened to that proof?
how is it you know so much about all classes when you have punched mostly and was lvl 20 odd
or am i liar , tell me what proof do you want to see of what i have said?
Oh btw , esoma was corrupt this must be too i presume
My 4th often does less damage than an arrow would have ,
gladly trade trace for any other third , same goes for 5th sorry third but in coords
Another thing , Bow is such a beast(GM Like) power , why was it always pretty much a requirement to have axe too? the reason axe 4th was changed , to prevent exactly that.
One thing you seem to not take into account is that the highest "LVL" players of any class will be OP to lower levels thats pretty normal and intended.
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#32 2013/11/16 23:49:49 |
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Like many things in life all is not as it seems, Some people truly like bow. Early on bow lvls vfast as a melee weapon and this draws others who perceive it as easy (cause they only see the result not the effort). True some archers get very strong by compare at low / mid levels, but soon str and lower weapon attack will weed out the majority of the me too's. Long term bow have lowest str and lower endgame weapon ATT, which is why they have range and highest class con / dex.
People need to understand that the game is not tuned and balanced to be even at every range of the game, probably only at lvl 1 and lvl 99. I do think the range / resolution issue needed to be addressed, though I don't generally like to see any class specifically singled out for change.
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[quote="ARRIS"] Like many things in life all is not as it seems, Some people truly like bow. Early on bow lvls vfast as a melee weapon and this draws others who perceive it as easy (cause they only see the result not the effort). True some archers get very strong by compare at low / mid levels, but soon str and lower weapon attack will weed out the majority of the me too's. Long term bow have lowest str and lower endgame weapon ATT, which is why they have range and highest class con / dex.
People need to understand that the game is not tuned and balanced to be even at every range of the game, probably only at lvl 1 and lvl 99.
I do think the range / resolution issue needed to be addressed, though I don't generally like to see any class specifically singled out for change.[/quote]
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#33 2013/11/17 00:11:28 |
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Can only talk from a dsoma swordsman's perspective here, my only problem with archers are the dex lol which is to be expected due to the class and doesn't need to be nerfed. Feathers too but that's an item fault.
Over on dsoma get hold of some good invul armor and archers pretty much do little damage unless they have a good bow epic or better, it's just their high dex that's a pain in the ass lol. Bow is no doubt one of, if not the best wep pvp wise but the problem is the chances of an archer pking a class of equal level/gear alone is really low. So even though they're hard to kill they can't exactly kill anything either lol.
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[quote="CARNAGE"]Can only talk from a dsoma swordsman's perspective here, my only problem with archers are the dex lol which is to be expected due to the class and doesn't need to be nerfed. Feathers too but that's an item fault.
Over on dsoma get hold of some good invul armor and archers pretty much do little damage unless they have a good bow epic or better, it's just their high dex that's a pain in the ass lol.
Bow is no doubt one of, if not the best wep pvp wise but the problem is the chances of an archer pking a class of equal level/gear alone is really low. So even though they're hard to kill they can't exactly kill anything either lol.[/quote]
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#34 2013/11/17 00:32:38 |
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"VEX"right your armoury link regards to pos , most of that was from early days , people have used it on things like gender pots ect, some of those players i have not seen for a very long time now. SS event, means absolutely nothing. You're being overly aggressive with your post. I gave you examples and an explanation of my point of view, which is based on what I have observed on the server so far and past Soma servers. I have been playing Soma since Esoma WoTW patch and I'm yet to see any major differences on this server which would affect bows in such a drastic way as to make them balanced and in line with the other classes. I can only tell you what I see and it seems that everywhere I go I see Dsoma Archers. The POS ranks are from the start, but they are still Archers in the ranks. The strongest class in Dsoma has always been the archer, it has always been like this throughout the years since Dsoma began in Esoma. If there is a reason why Archers are not as OP on this server then fine, but I haven't seen or been informed of one yet, and I see mostly archers in Dsoma so far. I'm sure Isylver could give us the numbers on class distribution, but I would believe it to be archer for a good reason.
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[quote="CIROSE"][quote="VEX"]right your armoury link regards to pos , most of that was from early days , people have used it on things like gender pots ect, some of those players i have not seen for a very long time now. SS event, means absolutely nothing.
what you presume is based on old server which is far from this in any way?, i am telling you from the fact i play this game at a high enough lvl to have experienced it ,
Can you read , or are you just ignoring the things you dont like about you know
BOWS have the LOWEST damage
ONE handed weps have more at least on dsoma,
Oh and like i also said but somehow you disregarded it and went with your own claim about being lots of archers, there is lots of all classes in the game theres only a small choice and playing this game let me tell you i see more other classes than archers on dsoma fact, knuckles/axe are the only ones that i dont see so much
So im wondering too what happened to that proof?
how is it you know so much about all classes when you have punched mostly and was lvl 20 odd
or am i liar , tell me what proof do you want to see of what i have said?
Oh btw , esoma was corrupt this must be too i presume
My 4th often does less damage than an arrow would have ,
gladly trade trace for any other third , same goes for 5th sorry third but in coords
Another thing , Bow is such a beast(GM Like) power , why was it always pretty much a requirement to have axe too? the reason axe 4th was changed , to prevent exactly that.
One thing you seem to not take into account is that the highest "LVL" players of any class will be OP to lower levels thats pretty normal and intended.
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You're being overly aggressive with your post. I gave you examples and an explanation of my point of view, which is based on what I have observed on the server so far and past Soma servers.
I have been playing Soma since Esoma WoTW patch and I'm yet to see any major differences on this server which would affect bows in such a drastic way as to make them balanced and in line with the other classes.
I can only tell you what I see and it seems that everywhere I go I see Dsoma Archers. The POS ranks are from the start, but they are still Archers in the ranks.
The strongest class in Dsoma has always been the archer, it has always been like this throughout the years since Dsoma began in Esoma.
If there is a reason why Archers are not as OP on this server then fine, but I haven't seen or been informed of one yet, and I see mostly archers in Dsoma so far. I'm sure Isylver could give us the numbers on class distribution, but I would believe it to be archer for a good reason.
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#35 2013/11/17 01:06:01 |
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VEX |
i have informed you , w/e you just wont read what i say , ive told you why on several reasons , what you have seen ? 5 mins of abs
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#36 2013/11/17 01:19:16 |
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"VEX" I'm sure you have never seen a knuckle then. |
#37 2013/11/17 02:31:59 |
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This seems to be a conversation that no longer discusses range of bow here's the facts.
On esoma you could pretty much fire 9 range in an 800x600 screen (approximately from the bottom right to the top left). Now we have higher resolutions opening a viewport meaning you can see more meaning this "9 range" would then work horizontally and vertically too. We are trialling 7 and that's it. Don't spit your dummy out if your class gets nerfed slightly it will happen and is a feeling out process for improvement. Do not continue this conversation.
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[quote="ISYLVER"]This seems to be a conversation that no longer discusses range of bow here's the facts.
On esoma you could pretty much fire 9 range in an 800x600 screen (approximately from the bottom right to the top left).
Now we have higher resolutions opening a viewport meaning you can see more meaning this "9 range" would then work horizontally and vertically too.
We are trialling 7 and that's it. Don't spit your dummy out if your class gets nerfed slightly it will happen and is a feeling out process for improvement.
Do not continue this conversation.[/quote]
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#38 2013/11/17 07:39:48 |
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"VEX"i have informed you , w/e you just wont read what i say , ive told you why on several reasons , what you have seen ? 5 mins of abs I read all of your post and as I said, I've been playing Soma since WoTW patch including being a lvl 68 Dsoma char in Esoma as well as countless Dsoma archers on other servers. Unless something major has changed in this server than I don't expect there to be anything different.
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[quote="CIROSE"][quote="VEX"]i have informed you , w/e you just wont read what i say , ive told you why on several reasons , what you have seen ? 5 mins of abs
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I read all of your post and as I said, I've been playing Soma since WoTW patch including being a lvl 68 Dsoma char in Esoma as well as countless Dsoma archers on other servers.
Unless something major has changed in this server than I don't expect there to be anything different. [/quote]
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#39 2013/11/17 11:02:33 |
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"SKIEBLUE"Firstly I'm just wondering what the elite devil warrior situation is... Seems it has been killed 4 times in the last 24 hours, 3 times by devils... What's that all about?? Probably the worst set of ideas ive seen on these forums, but maybe thats to be expected from someone who doesnt know about edws. Your spells idea is the closest thing you have to a semi good idea, although its clearly brought from another game as soma ranks are completely in contrast and spell levels are not in line with 'cures' serums 10-20 seconds? clueless and the bow shit, what a joke
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[quote="WARLOCK"][quote="SKIEBLUE"]Firstly I'm just wondering what the elite devil warrior situation is... Seems it has been killed 4 times in the last 24 hours, 3 times by devils... What's that all about??
Secondly I was always against the fact for example, a lvl 2 cure can cure a lvl 3/4 spell... Me and a few others wee talking and all agreed that it should be level suited I.e lvl 2 cure can not cure a lvl 3/4 spell...
A third point we thought of was the serum situation. Maybe have a cool down period like with pots, but instead maybe have it as. 10-20 second delay as serums suck and make spells like weak, slow, blind etc during gvw almost pointless to use..
And finally the range on bow. I find it slightly unfair that just because your capable of using a high res, you have an advantage to bow people from off there screens. I was told this way maybe hard coded and unable to be changed, but if it could be I would suggest putting a range cap in bow to say 5 or 6.
All work done to date on the game is greatly appreciated I'm just throwing a few ideas out there...
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Probably the worst set of ideas ive seen on these forums, but maybe thats to be expected from someone who doesnt know about edws.
Your spells idea is the closest thing you have to a semi good idea, although its clearly brought from another game as soma ranks are completely in contrast and spell levels are not in line with 'cures'
serums 10-20 seconds? clueless
and the bow shit, what a joke
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