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FUJITORA |
"GHOSTLORD"To answer the question what max speed gain is you can calculate it yourself. Take the base speed of the weapon deduct 40% for your average intense item. This is wrong its more like 2-2.5% for each tag, 10% for intense max (Ive seen 1000 recoil swords with intense at ~900 recoil, some even 930 ish recoil) So the actual value is between 2-2.5% i think If it was 10% a tag per tag, a base 1100 recoil E spd spear, with 40% reduciton would be 660 recoil which is A+
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[quote="FUJITORA"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]To answer the question what max speed gain is you can calculate it yourself. Take the base speed of the weapon deduct 40% for your average intense item.[/quote]
This is wrong its more like 2-2.5% for each tag, 10% for intense max (Ive seen 1000 recoil swords with intense at ~900 recoil, some even 930 ish recoil) So the actual value is between 2-2.5% i think
If it was 10% a tag per tag, a base 1100 recoil E spd spear, with 40% reduciton would be 660 recoil which is A+
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#16 2013/11/20 15:44:30 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"GHOSTLORD""THEMAT"The main problem I have with spear is that I obviously can't use a shield but I don't have anything to make up for the lack of defense. I have to stay at weaker mobs for a lot longer because I take far too much damage. It would help if 3rd Spear made up for this but its 100% useless, barely regens any HP and the cooldown is far too long. 3rd would be used alot more if the cooldown was reduced and it was 100%. I know it's asking for a huge buff but at the moment, it's just honestly not worth using.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="THEMAT"]The main problem I have with spear is that I obviously can't use a shield but I don't have anything to make up for the lack of defense. I have to stay at weaker mobs for a lot longer because I take far too much damage. It would help if 3rd Spear made up for this but its 100% useless, barely regens any HP and the cooldown is far too long.[/quote]
Interesting that you brought up 3rd. I believe this was increased to 100% on ESoma and 5th was 150%. I don't think this will upset a lot balance wise since those auras aren't used as much as 2nd (more than 4th though).
I'm not the one making the dicision however - I do wonder what iSylver thinks.
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3rd would be used alot more if the cooldown was reduced and it was 100%. I know it's asking for a huge buff but at the moment, it's just honestly not worth using.[/quote]
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#17 2013/11/20 16:46:52 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"FUJITORA""GHOSTLORD"To answer the question what max speed gain is you can calculate it yourself. Take the base speed of the weapon deduct 40% for your average intense item. I stand corrected. Can't believe I didn't see that myself - though I have the excuse that I'm struck with the cold.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="FUJITORA"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]To answer the question what max speed gain is you can calculate it yourself. Take the base speed of the weapon deduct 40% for your average intense item.[/quote]
This is wrong its more like 2-2.5% for each tag, 10% for intense max (Ive seen 1000 recoil swords with intense at ~900 recoil, some even 930 ish recoil) So the actual value is between 2-2.5% i think
If it was 10% a tag per tag, a base 1100 recoil E spd spear, with 40% reduciton would be 660 recoil which is A+
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I stand corrected. Can't believe I didn't see that myself - though I have the excuse that I'm struck with the cold.[/quote]
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#18 2013/11/20 17:04:10 |
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ORANGE |
I like the idea of 3rd being buffed to 100% and a shorter cd. I believe it's about 20 seconds atm.
If that got reduced to say 10 seconds it would work really well and it won't effect pvp as you'd still use 2nd for the shorter cd and extra 5 power. |
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THEMAT |
"ORANGE"I like the idea of 3rd being buffed to 100% and a shorter cd. I believe it's about 20 seconds atm. Can something like this be implemented please. If it's overpowered then it can easily be tweaked.
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[quote="THEMAT"][quote="ORANGE"]I like the idea of 3rd being buffed to 100% and a shorter cd. I believe it's about 20 seconds atm.
If that got reduced to say 10 seconds it would work really well and it won't effect pvp as you'd still use 2nd for the shorter cd and extra 5 power.[/quote]
Can something like this be implemented please. If it's overpowered then it can easily be tweaked.[/quote]
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#20 2013/11/22 12:34:31 |
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CYROX |
I would definately agree spear needs a buff for pve, not pvp. By buffing 3rd to 100% and 10sec cool down this would improve pve and in no way out balance pvp imo. I think it's a good idea.
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#21 2013/11/22 16:09:29 |
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ZYZZ |
Bump.... may as well remove spear if this isn't tweaked... Time to go sword n just farm POS ;o 5th for hunting op ;]
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#22 2013/12/08 11:53:48 |
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PATHOLOGIST |
So spear, gets a speed increase, but the rest don't?
I see where you're trying to go with this buff, but look at how overpowered it would be at D. Will knuckle get higher damage to compensate? I don't think so. |
#23 2013/12/08 12:11:51 |
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ZYZZ |
-O ruby's/conq's used to be D...
And still everyone was axe/sword on Esoma ;p Even 2h axe's are speed E now ;p 3rd spear is also useless ;] |
#24 2013/12/08 12:43:04 |
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GILGAMESH |
"THEMAT"It was increased to 100% for 3rd and 150% for 5th from what I remember yeah, that's also what it's listed as in Relkcunk's PDF manual. The only time I ever used 3rd. was to avoid potting with min dmg at wraiths, and that came at the price of leveling speed from 2nd and so was hardly beneficial. Currently there is pretty much no justification for ever using 3rd/5th over 2nd, apart from some last gasp of survivability in a duel with someone.
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[quote="GILGAMESH"][quote="THEMAT"]It was increased to 100% for 3rd and 150% for 5th from what I remember yeah, that's also what it's listed as in Relkcunk's PDF manual.
If 3rd stays the same as it is, I may as well never learnt it. If I look at the amount of HP gained from it, I'm actually worse off because the mob is alive for longer and has a chance to deal more damage to me. (If that makes sense)
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The only time I ever used 3rd. was to avoid potting with min dmg at wraiths, and that came at the price of leveling speed from 2nd and so was hardly beneficial.
Currently there is pretty much no justification for ever using 3rd/5th over 2nd, apart from some last gasp of survivability in a duel with someone.[/quote]
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#25 2013/12/09 04:14:43 |
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