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LUCY_TOCKLEY |
"MANTICORE"why u assume humans playing devs on all those events?? thats absurb lol Gravija does have a human .... Lavacross |
#31 2017/07/01 05:56:54 |
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BUFFY |
"ARROW"fuck up ya belter. always log in to see ur moanin about summit. get a grip n make use of ur time. like attaching lead weights to ur ankles and learning how to swim Lmao at this post. |
#32 2017/07/01 07:34:04 |
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LUPISCUS |
Writing with more clarity... devs have humans and humans have devs..thats good..However, as they can play either or both, they will chose what suits them best..and whether dl or anyone, im not suggesting its dodgy.. it
aInt too good for humans only.. ( mayb need a dev! ) The huge gap between mele stats could be alleviated with xtra levs for humans being introduced first maybe. RVR just aint the fun it could or should be for human only players. Good to hear dsoma is thriving.. all those strong devs everywhere..whoah!! Bigger focus on rvr could be whats needed..and just a few more stats for humans must be a step in that direction!
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[quote="LUPISCUS"]Writing with more clarity... devs have humans and humans have devs..thats good..However, as they can play either or both, they will chose what suits them best..and whether dl or anyone, im not suggesting its dodgy.. it
aInt too good for humans only.. ( mayb need a dev! )
The huge gap between mele stats could be alleviated with xtra levs for humans being introduced first maybe.
RVR just aint the fun it could or should be for human only players.
Good to hear dsoma is thriving.. all those strong devs everywhere..whoah!!
Bigger focus on rvr could be whats needed..and just a few more stats for humans must be a step in that direction![/quote]
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#33 2017/07/01 07:46:25 |
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JHAELIEN |
"ARROW"fuck up ya belter. always log in to see ur moanin about summit. get a grip n make use of ur time. like attaching lead weights to ur ankles and learning how to swim Rofl. |
#34 2017/07/01 08:42:32 |
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Back in the day when faint was around they made great cannon fodder for the higher lvl DL guys to win, the wars was always more fun and closer fought, if more humans turned up then devs would have no chance, I am a noob on dev server and tbh I am no use at all to anybody in an rvr event I got griefed by basically all humans who showed up, even richie777 beat me, its supposed to be about having fun.
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[quote="ARYA_"]Back in the day when faint was around they made great cannon fodder for the higher lvl DL guys to win, the wars was always more fun and closer fought, if more humans turned up then devs would have no chance, I am a noob on dev server and tbh I am no use at all to anybody in an rvr event I got griefed by basically all humans who showed up, even richie777 beat me, its supposed to be about having fun.[/quote]
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#35 2017/07/01 09:12:26 |
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Its worth reiterating that at last nights SS none of the devs that attended were hsoma players, unless you count my lvl 6 human.. The majority, if not all were encore players who for the most part are purely dsoma.
You also make the point that Humans under lvl 90 are useless at these events. You try fighting a hoard of slow, confuse,weaken spamming noobs at a SS event.... there's only so many serums I can carry! I see what you're trying to say and if balance is the issue then fine, we all know it could use some tweaks, but people logging devs just for RvR certainly isn't the case.
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[quote="MELKEKU"]Its worth reiterating that at last nights SS none of the devs that attended were hsoma players, unless you count my lvl 6 human.. The majority, if not all were encore players who for the most part are purely dsoma.
You also make the point that Humans under lvl 90 are useless at these events. You try fighting a hoard of slow, confuse,weaken spamming noobs at a SS event.... there's only so many serums I can carry!
I see what you're trying to say and if balance is the issue then fine, we all know it could use some tweaks, but people logging devs just for RvR certainly isn't the case.
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#36 2017/07/01 09:20:34 |
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JAMIS |
"LUPISCUS"Writing with more clarity... devs have humans and humans have devs..thats good..However, as they can play either or both, they will chose what suits them best..and whether dl or anyone, im not suggesting its dodgy.. it Lupi I will try and debunk this myth for you by linking together some of the players on DSoma that you regularly see at WotW/SS & other capped chars. Jamis (me) = Heron on HSoma who is lvl 75 - not in DL Kekket/Xaruthar/Wezzek = Same guy, no HSoma char over about lvl 60 Melkeku = No HSoma char Nesoi = No HSoma char Intheface = No substatial HSoma char, has one but it's not in DL and not strong Soyu/Jin920/Lion/Vhdkr/Haya/Godseven/Avengers/Ssana2jjo/Godgod/Car/69please = All koreans with no HSoma chars Manticore = Has a human but not capped and not in DL Goat = DL char Angrylucas = Gandalf Daryl_Dixon = Jpot(?) - barely ever on Wagawaga = Has human in DL but I would say Waga is primarily a devil rather than human Stones = same Evil_Jr = Not sure Lazarus/Gene/Path = Think some/all have humans but no idea who etc, also rarely come to WotW etc Serocee = Loefah on HSoma who is like lvl 85 and not in DL Brainstorm = No major human AFAIK Kronarg = Kronargh a low lvl human Ozyrys = who knows Knowone = has a human not sure who but not capped Arrow = Knowone Beetlejuice = Doesn't have high lvl human Echidna = Doesn't have high lvl human Cobra_Kai = who knows! Failz = dunno Kortex = has a high lvl human but not in DL 187 = not sure, maybe Ilovecawk = same Pointbreak = dont think has a human This is not an exhaustive list and not meant to offend anyone who isn't on there but most of that list is the core of higher lvl DSoma with some more korean guys added on and some players who are inactive or come on very rarely. Let's assume anyone I am not sure about is a capped human in DL then we have 5-11 capped humans playing devils (2 of which are major DSoma chars so I wouldn't count) which IMO is not enough to swing the tide for either side significantly.
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[quote="JAMIS"][quote="LUPISCUS"]Writing with more clarity... devs have humans and humans have devs..thats good..However, as they can play either or both, they will chose what suits them best..and whether dl or anyone, im not suggesting its dodgy.. it
aInt too good for humans only.. ( mayb need a dev! )
The huge gap between mele stats could be alleviated with xtra levs for humans being introduced first maybe.
RVR just aint the fun it could or should be for human only players.
Good to hear dsoma is thriving.. all those strong devs everywhere..whoah!!
Bigger focus on rvr could be whats needed..and just a few more stats for humans must be a step in that direction![/quote]
Lupi I will try and debunk this myth for you by linking together some of the players on DSoma that you regularly see at WotW/SS & other capped chars.
Jamis (me) = Heron on HSoma who is lvl 75 - not in DL
Kekket/Xaruthar/Wezzek = Same guy, no HSoma char over about lvl 60
Melkeku = No HSoma char
Nesoi = No HSoma char
Intheface = No substatial HSoma char, has one but it's not in DL and not strong
Soyu/Jin920/Lion/Vhdkr/Haya/Godseven/Avengers/Ssana2jjo/Godgod/Car/69please = All koreans with no HSoma chars
Manticore = Has a human but not capped and not in DL
Goat = DL char
Angrylucas = Gandalf
Daryl_Dixon = Jpot(?) - barely ever on
Wagawaga = Has human in DL but I would say Waga is primarily a devil rather than human
Stones = same
Evil_Jr = Not sure
Lazarus/Gene/Path = Think some/all have humans but no idea who etc, also rarely come to WotW etc
Serocee = Loefah on HSoma who is like lvl 85 and not in DL
Brainstorm = No major human AFAIK
Kronarg = Kronargh a low lvl human
Ozyrys = who knows
Knowone = has a human not sure who but not capped
Arrow = Knowone
Beetlejuice = Doesn't have high lvl human
Echidna = Doesn't have high lvl human
Cobra_Kai = who knows!
Failz = dunno
Kortex = has a high lvl human but not in DL
187 = not sure, maybe
Ilovecawk = same
Pointbreak = dont think has a human
This is not an exhaustive list and not meant to offend anyone who isn't on there but most of that list is the core of higher lvl DSoma with some more korean guys added on and some players who are inactive or come on very rarely. Let's assume anyone I am not sure about is a capped human in DL then we have 5-11 capped humans playing devils (2 of which are major DSoma chars so I wouldn't count) which IMO is not enough to swing the tide for either side significantly.[/quote]
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#37 2017/07/01 09:28:59 |
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I think the point is that on ss its easy to grieff someone. Lets all give ppl a chance to run away and attack back when the opposite race is actualy trying to get stone/ attack u?
Edit. I also think its good to introduce a usercount on map % instead of a full % on all chars. This way 1 vs 10 will be more interesting and not just getting dropped straight away.
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[quote="KEKKET"]I think the point is that on ss its easy to grieff someone. Lets all give ppl a chance to run away and attack back when the opposite race is actualy trying to get stone/ attack u?
Edit.
I also think its good to introduce a usercount on map % instead of a full % on all chars. This way 1 vs 10 will be more interesting and not just getting dropped straight away.[/quote]
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#38 2017/07/01 09:47:20 |
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Going from history the problem is always attendance. If a human would get an upgrade each time he did dmg to a devil, the whole of hsoma would show up and conti would never be devils again. Of course this isn't realistic.
Quite a of humans have devils and vice versa, that's a fact and that won't change, so we may as well ignore it for this discussion. For now the percentage system will have to balance it out. Untill the lvl cap has arrivedand has settled a little bit I don't see us changing much about RvR.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Going from history the problem is always attendance. If a human would get an upgrade each time he did dmg to a devil, the whole of hsoma would show up and conti would never be devils again. Of course this isn't realistic.
Quite a of humans have devils and vice versa, that's a fact and that won't change, so we may as well ignore it for this discussion.
For now the percentage system will have to balance it out. Untill the lvl cap has arrivedand has settled a little bit I don't see us changing much about RvR.[/quote]
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#39 2017/07/01 09:59:21 |
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Owning Conti should give a 50% exp boost not just a tiny 10% hopfully that'll get Humans attending lol or it stacks every war so say you defend Conti 3x in a row your race gets a 30% boost.(then it resets when you loose ofc) Ss is a lost cause when you can pked off the Bosses what spawn after + gvw owners just trace in and can get the kill before you can get to some Bosses.(the casual Lvl 70-95 just can't be bothered with the hassle imo)
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[quote="ZYZZ"]Owning Conti should give a 50% exp boost not just a tiny 10% hopfully that'll get Humans attending lol or it stacks every war so say you defend Conti 3x in a row your race gets a 30% boost.(then it resets when you loose ofc) Ss is a lost cause when you can pked off the Bosses what spawn after + gvw owners just trace in and can get the kill before you can get to some Bosses.(the casual Lvl 70-95 just can't be bothered with the hassle imo)[/quote]
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#40 2017/07/01 12:42:32 |
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As far as i heard..hsoma cap+ is ready to go..and dsoma needs more work. With such disparity in stats ..surely implementing the cap+ for humans first..makes sense..make rvr a little more realistic..and disable pk mayb for 30 mins after SS so all bosses fair game for all ?
Possibly add 2 x drops for these SS bosses would incentivise ppl to attend. And spawn a gorshak for winners of wotw with 2x drops too. This makes it a more 'serious' event to attend and might help attendance. People like goodies in their bag x
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[quote="LUPISCUS"]As far as i heard..hsoma cap+ is ready to go..and dsoma needs more work. With such disparity in stats ..surely implementing the cap+ for humans first..makes sense..make rvr a little more realistic..and disable pk mayb for 30 mins after SS so all bosses fair game for all ?
Possibly add 2 x drops for these SS bosses would incentivise ppl to attend. And spawn a gorshak for winners of wotw with 2x drops too. This makes it a more 'serious' event to attend and might help attendance.
People like goodies in their bag x[/quote]
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#41 2017/07/01 14:02:29 |
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Increase all Hsoma weapons and armours def/attack by 25%. - Cap weapon recoil at 500.
Give melee devil classes a int/wisdom cap of 130 at level 100 (with zero punching) - with the ability to atleast use Demonship for magic defence. Reduce archer damage by 15/20/25% from ranges 3-6. These are the games biggest balance issues and if Dsoma and Hsoma were made at the same time it wouldn't be so imbalanced in some areas but you make the best of what you've got. I don't enjoy being 2 hit by mages really either but it is what it is. Unsure if current ingame arm/weps can be increased as a whole without breaking the game or ruining current ingame items. Perfect balance would mean a server wipe/complete rebuild of either hsoma or dsoma. I don't believe anyone wants that.
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[quote="LAVACROSS"]Increase all Hsoma weapons and armours def/attack by 25%. - Cap weapon recoil at 500.
Give melee devil classes a int/wisdom cap of 130 at level 100 (with zero punching) - with the ability to atleast use Demonship for magic defence.
Reduce archer damage by 15/20/25% from ranges 3-6.
These are the games biggest balance issues and if Dsoma and Hsoma were made at the same time it wouldn't be so imbalanced in some areas but you make the best of what you've got. I don't enjoy being 2 hit by mages really either but it is what it is.
[b]Unsure if current ingame arm/weps can be increased as a whole without breaking the game or ruining current ingame items.[/b]
Perfect balance would mean a server wipe/complete rebuild of either hsoma or dsoma. I don't believe anyone wants that.
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#42 2017/07/01 15:03:38 |
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"LAVACROSS"Increase all Hsoma weapons and armours def/attack by 25%. - Cap weapon recoil at 500. Some of these reasons are proly why dsoma is takin a while to do the next update. Give humans cap+ first and see how that goes. Balance can always be re-adjusted if needed. Its hardly gona be game changing, by letting humans gain a few more stats first..just a nudge in the right direction from what it is now Ask yourself , why is dsoma flourishing? Is it better to play because of stats and power above humans? Or mabe ppl finished with hsoma and want something different to do? Either way.. its great that dsoma is going well. Don't forget us humans tho ;p
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="LAVACROSS"]Increase all Hsoma weapons and armours def/attack by 25%. - Cap weapon recoil at 500.
Give melee devil classes a int/wisdom cap of 130 at level 100 (with zero punching) - with the ability to atleast use Demonship for magic defence.
Reduce archer damage by 15/20/25% from ranges 3-6.
These are the games biggest balance issues and if Dsoma and Hsoma were made at the same time it wouldn't be so imbalanced in some areas but you make the best of what you've got. I don't enjoy being 2 hit by mages really either but it is what it is.
[b]Unsure if current ingame arm/weps can be increased as a whole without breaking the game or ruining current ingame items.[/b]
Perfect balance would mean a server wipe/complete rebuild of either hsoma or dsoma. I don't believe anyone wants that.
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Some of these reasons are proly why dsoma is takin a while to do the next update. Give humans cap+ first and see how that goes. Balance can always be re-adjusted if needed. Its hardly gona be game changing, by letting humans gain a few more stats first..just a nudge in the right direction from what it is now
Ask yourself , why is dsoma flourishing? Is it better to play because of stats and power above humans? Or mabe ppl finished with hsoma and want something different to do?
Either way.. its great that dsoma is going well. Don't forget us humans tho ;p[/quote]
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#43 2017/07/01 15:24:00 |
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"JAMIS""LUPISCUS"Writing with more clarity... devs have humans and humans have devs..thats good..However, as they can play either or both, they will chose what suits them best..and whether dl or anyone, im not suggesting its dodgy.. it Almost correct. I am goat, waga isn't dl And ozyrys is lafite I think
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[quote="HAWKMOON"][quote="JAMIS"][quote="LUPISCUS"]Writing with more clarity... devs have humans and humans have devs..thats good..However, as they can play either or both, they will chose what suits them best..and whether dl or anyone, im not suggesting its dodgy.. it
aInt too good for humans only.. ( mayb need a dev! )
The huge gap between mele stats could be alleviated with xtra levs for humans being introduced first maybe.
RVR just aint the fun it could or should be for human only players.
Good to hear dsoma is thriving.. all those strong devs everywhere..whoah!!
Bigger focus on rvr could be whats needed..and just a few more stats for humans must be a step in that direction![/quote]
Lupi I will try and debunk this myth for you by linking together some of the players on DSoma that you regularly see at WotW/SS & other capped chars.
Jamis (me) = Heron on HSoma who is lvl 75 - not in DL
Kekket/Xaruthar/Wezzek = Same guy, no HSoma char over about lvl 60
Melkeku = No HSoma char
Nesoi = No HSoma char
Intheface = No substatial HSoma char, has one but it's not in DL and not strong
Soyu/Jin920/Lion/Vhdkr/Haya/Godseven/Avengers/Ssana2jjo/Godgod/Car/69please = All koreans with no HSoma chars
Manticore = Has a human but not capped and not in DL
Goat = DL char
Angrylucas = Gandalf
Daryl_Dixon = Jpot(?) - barely ever on
Wagawaga = Has human in DL but I would say Waga is primarily a devil rather than human
Stones = same
Evil_Jr = Not sure
Lazarus/Gene/Path = Think some/all have humans but no idea who etc, also rarely come to WotW etc
Serocee = Loefah on HSoma who is like lvl 85 and not in DL
Brainstorm = No major human AFAIK
Kronarg = Kronargh a low lvl human
Ozyrys = who knows
Knowone = has a human not sure who but not capped
Arrow = Knowone
Beetlejuice = Doesn't have high lvl human
Echidna = Doesn't have high lvl human
Cobra_Kai = who knows!
Failz = dunno
Kortex = has a high lvl human but not in DL
187 = not sure, maybe
Ilovecawk = same
Pointbreak = dont think has a human
This is not an exhaustive list and not meant to offend anyone who isn't on there but most of that list is the core of higher lvl DSoma with some more korean guys added on and some players who are inactive or come on very rarely. Let's assume anyone I am not sure about is a capped human in DL then we have 5-11 capped humans playing devils (2 of which are major DSoma chars so I wouldn't count) which IMO is not enough to swing the tide for either side significantly.[/quote]
Almost correct.
I am goat, waga isn't dl
And ozyrys is lafite I think [/quote]
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#44 2017/07/01 16:22:17 |
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Lets nerf devils from a char that hasnt lost pos in almost 2years woo!
Add me to the list Iv got a human Around lvl 85-90 i think Not sure if its still in a guild though |
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