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archers and cliffing bosses

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NEOXIAN	can we please do something to fix this as it's just wrong that archers can a) trace a mob then b) lure it somewhere and kill it with a cliff or surrounding themselves in monsters so the boss is r2/3 and can't hit them. look at the playerfeed, t18 hwan event is dominated by archers because 520 int destroys any melee in 1 hit even the 80+'s. give everyone the ability to do it or stop archers being able to do it please PM Reply Quote [quote="NEOXIAN"]can we please do something to fix this as it's just wrong that archers can a) trace a mob then b) lure it somewhere and kill it with a cliff or surrounding themselves in monsters so the boss is r2/3 and can't hit them. look at the playerfeed, t18 hwan event is dominated by archers because 520 int destroys any melee in 1 hit even the 80+'s. give everyone the ability to do it or stop archers being able to do it please[/quote]	#1 2013/12/29 09:26:49
NAIKOFIG	cliffing has been in the game since day1 of esoma beta and now you start complaining? btw spears/mages can cliff aswell if you know how so kinda hypocritical to just say "archers" you can replace trace with an actually usefull aura tho im all for that PM Reply Quote [quote="NAIKOFIG"]cliffing has been in the game since day1 of esoma beta and now you start complaining? btw spears/mages can cliff aswell if you know how so kinda hypocritical to just say "archers" you can replace trace with an actually usefull aura tho im all for that[/quote]	#2 2013/12/29 09:49:33
NEOXIAN	it's been complained about regularly since esoma and this servers release naiko :P spear can cliff/surround providing it's at the right angle and range and providing it's not a 1k dex mob that only 2nd hits (as 2nd also hits the mob you surround yourself with as you know) mages can cliff too granted but they can't surround themselves with mobs like archers can as even low dex mobs like fireworms interrupt them enough to make it a pain in the bottom. I see level 55 archers with grim surrounding themselves with fireworms and killing hwan bosses, or standing behind the gate at hwan castle and cliffing it. PM Reply Quote [quote="NEOXIAN"]it's been complained about regularly since esoma and this servers release naiko :P spear can cliff/surround providing it's at the right angle and range and providing it's not a 1k dex mob that only 2nd hits (as 2nd also hits the mob you surround yourself with as you know) mages can cliff too granted but they can't surround themselves with mobs like archers can as even low dex mobs like fireworms interrupt them enough to make it a pain in the bottom. I see level 55 archers with grim surrounding themselves with fireworms and killing hwan bosses, or standing behind the gate at hwan castle and cliffing it. [/quote]	#3 2013/12/29 10:07:06
REHLINA	bare in mind most of the hwan brothers have 520 int, that's 1 dmg from ALL MAGES even with weaken, this includes Monster/S0rcerer Mage will never be able to solo one like archers can, our def is low and our MD is same as any top lvl melee, 500 attk is a killer to anyone under 400 hp think theres a surgestion to move the event indoors (with altered stats so both mages and none range can kill), t18 mobs on first floor, hwan brothers on 2nd floor, move mage spells npcs to random spots in IC (or removed completely leaving as conti only to even it out with hsoma) PM Reply Quote [quote="REHLINA"]bare in mind most of the hwan brothers have 520 int, that's 1 dmg from ALL MAGES even with weaken, this includes Monster/S0rcerer Mage will never be able to solo one like archers can, our def is low and our MD is same as any top lvl melee, 500 attk is a killer to anyone under 400 hp think theres a surgestion to move the event indoors (with altered stats so both mages and none range can kill), t18 mobs on first floor, hwan brothers on 2nd floor, move mage spells npcs to random spots in IC (or removed completely leaving as conti only to even it out with hsoma)[/quote]	#4 2013/12/29 11:20:59
NAIKOFIG	"NEOXIAN"it's been complained about regularly since esoma and this servers release naiko :P spear can cliff/surround providing it's at the right angle and range and providing it's not a 1k dex mob that only 2nd hits (as 2nd also hits the mob you surround yourself with as you know) mages can cliff too granted but they can't surround themselves with mobs like archers can as even low dex mobs like fireworms interrupt them enough to make it a pain in the bottom. I see level 55 archers with grim surrounding themselves with fireworms and killing hwan bosses, or standing behind the gate at hwan castle and cliffing it. yeah and unless you make every map flat there will be cliffing spear can cliff using the map not just getting surrounded and spears actually kill the 1k dex mob faster then archers becoz of second as for mages and Rehlina's point so you cant cliff a mob in the game easily? i remember shiro being killed by nothing but mages didt see posts then omg melee cant kill it need nerfs. besides you can actually cliff them just takes you longer. PM Reply Quote [quote="NAIKOFIG"][quote="NEOXIAN"]it's been complained about regularly since esoma and this servers release naiko :P spear can cliff/surround providing it's at the right angle and range and providing it's not a 1k dex mob that only 2nd hits (as 2nd also hits the mob you surround yourself with as you know) mages can cliff too granted but they can't surround themselves with mobs like archers can as even low dex mobs like fireworms interrupt them enough to make it a pain in the bottom. I see level 55 archers with grim surrounding themselves with fireworms and killing hwan bosses, or standing behind the gate at hwan castle and cliffing it. [/quote] yeah and unless you make every map flat there will be cliffing spear can cliff using the map not just getting surrounded and spears actually kill the 1k dex mob faster then archers becoz of second as for mages and Rehlina's point so you cant cliff a mob in the game easily? i remember shiro being killed by nothing but mages didt see posts then omg melee cant kill it need nerfs. besides you can actually cliff them just takes you longer. [/quote]	#5 2013/12/29 11:44:14
MANTICORE	"NEOXIAN"can we please do something to fix this as it's just wrong that archers can a) trace a mob then b) lure it somewhere and kill it with a cliff or surrounding themselves in monsters so the boss is r2/3 and can't hit them. look at the playerfeed, t18 hwan event is dominated by archers because 520 int destroys any melee in 1 hit even the 80+'s. give everyone the ability to do it or stop archers being able to do it please hwan brothers dont drop anything usefull anyways its eggs and elite guards inside castle that have a chance to drop invul stuff. I would be happy if they removed trace as an archer and give us more usefull auras like multi shot/stun shot/slow shot/knockback etc EDIT : WTB Enrage Shironim again :D PM Reply Quote [quote="MANTICORE"][quote="NEOXIAN"]can we please do something to fix this as it's just wrong that archers can a) trace a mob then b) lure it somewhere and kill it with a cliff or surrounding themselves in monsters so the boss is r2/3 and can't hit them. look at the playerfeed, t18 hwan event is dominated by archers because 520 int destroys any melee in 1 hit even the 80+'s. give everyone the ability to do it or stop archers being able to do it please[/quote] hwan brothers dont drop anything usefull anyways its eggs and elite guards inside castle that have a chance to drop invul stuff. I would be happy if they removed trace as an archer and give us more usefull auras like multi shot/stun shot/slow shot/knockback etc EDIT : WTB Enrage Shironim again :D[/quote]	#6 2013/12/29 14:22:12
CARNAGE	To be honest as each day goes by I'm starting to wonder if there's any point in being any other dsoma class except bow. PM Reply Quote [quote="CARNAGE"]To be honest as each day goes by I'm starting to wonder if there's any point in being any other dsoma class except bow.[/quote]	#7 2013/12/29 14:47:34
MANTICORE	"CARNAGE"To be honest as each day goes by I'm starting to wonder if there's any point in being any other dsoma class except bow. the most overpowered class of dsoma speaks lol running around 1shoting 99% of Dsoma yes im starting to wonder why there's a point not be a Swordie. PM Reply Quote [quote="MANTICORE"][quote="CARNAGE"]To be honest as each day goes by I'm starting to wonder if there's any point in being any other dsoma class except bow.[/quote] the most overpowered class of dsoma speaks lol running around 1shoting 99% of Dsoma yes im starting to wonder why there's a point not be a Swordie. [/quote]	#8 2013/12/29 15:31:31
CARNAGE	"MANTICORE"the most overpowered class of dsoma speaks lol That alone made me lol, behave yourself mate. If sword was so overpowered you'd see more of them I'll give you one guess as to which class is most played on dsoma. Take your time here mate don't get this one wrong. PM Reply Quote [quote="CARNAGE"][quote="MANTICORE"]the most overpowered class of dsoma speaks lol[/quote] That alone made me lol, behave yourself mate. If sword was so overpowered you'd see more of them I'll give you one guess as to which class is most played on dsoma. Take your time here mate don't get this one wrong.[/quote]	#9 2013/12/29 15:43:19
REDVEX	Cap Hwan bosses int damage at like 200~300 and give bosses longer range magic / arrows, np. PM Reply Quote [quote="REDVEX"]Cap Hwan bosses int damage at like 200~300 and give bosses longer range magic / arrows, np.[/quote]	#10 2013/12/29 15:49:48
REHLINA	"NAIKOFIG" "NEOXIAN"it's been complained about regularly since esoma and this servers release naiko :P spear can cliff/surround providing it's at the right angle and range and providing it's not a 1k dex mob that only 2nd hits (as 2nd also hits the mob you surround yourself with as you know) mages can cliff too granted but they can't surround themselves with mobs like archers can as even low dex mobs like fireworms interrupt them enough to make it a pain in the bottom. I see level 55 archers with grim surrounding themselves with fireworms and killing hwan bosses, or standing behind the gate at hwan castle and cliffing it. yeah and unless you make every map flat there will be cliffing spear can cliff using the map not just getting surrounded and spears actually kill the 1k dex mob faster then archers becoz of second as for mages and Rehlina's point so you cant cliff a mob in the game easily? i remember shiro being killed by nothing but mages didt see posts then omg melee cant kill it need nerfs. besides you can actually cliff them just takes you longer. Yes mages can cliff but we ain't doing it for free, we using mana pots, and at 1 dmg a hit will use a lot of mp pots, same goes for shiro, we got same magic def as all top players so have to use hp as much as every one PM Reply Quote [quote="REHLINA"][quote="NAIKOFIG"][quote="NEOXIAN"]it's been complained about regularly since esoma and this servers release naiko :P spear can cliff/surround providing it's at the right angle and range and providing it's not a 1k dex mob that only 2nd hits (as 2nd also hits the mob you surround yourself with as you know) mages can cliff too granted but they can't surround themselves with mobs like archers can as even low dex mobs like fireworms interrupt them enough to make it a pain in the bottom. I see level 55 archers with grim surrounding themselves with fireworms and killing hwan bosses, or standing behind the gate at hwan castle and cliffing it. [/quote] yeah and unless you make every map flat there will be cliffing spear can cliff using the map not just getting surrounded and spears actually kill the 1k dex mob faster then archers becoz of second as for mages and Rehlina's point so you cant cliff a mob in the game easily? i remember shiro being killed by nothing but mages didt see posts then omg melee cant kill it need nerfs. besides you can actually cliff them just takes you longer. [/quote] Yes mages can cliff but we ain't doing it for free, we using mana pots, and at 1 dmg a hit will use a lot of mp pots, same goes for shiro, we got same magic def as all top players so have to use hp as much as every one [/quote]	#11 2013/12/29 16:18:50
VEX	yeah you can cliff , that's the point .. oh and btw not just hwan bosses either, you can cliff practically same as an archer with the rest . Just because you do 1 damage to that particular boss makes the rest fine?, no . And so what what if a boss has 1k dex how is that in anyway related to be an archer problem? cause we can hit them so much more right?. How about see the fact it is a Boss/Mob Problem not a class problem at all anyway. Rehlina ive seen you several times AoE the Elite guards from outside the walls at T18 , talk about pot calling kettle black. you guys got killed by archers today? ;) PM Reply Quote [quote="VEX"]yeah you can cliff , that's the point .. oh and btw not just hwan bosses either, you can cliff practically same as an archer with the rest . Just because you do 1 damage to that particular boss makes the rest fine?, no . And so what what if a boss has 1k dex how is that in anyway related to be an archer problem? cause we can hit them so much more right?. How about see the fact it is a Boss/Mob Problem not a class problem at all anyway. Rehlina ive seen you several times AoE the Elite guards from outside the walls at T18 , talk about pot calling kettle black. you guys got killed by archers today? ;) [/quote]	#12 2013/12/29 23:09:03
SLAYER	Archer hate is boring, find something more productive to complain about PM Reply Quote [quote="SLAYER"]Archer hate is boring, find something more productive to complain about[/quote]	#13 2013/12/30 00:12:26
ARRIS	"NEOXIAN" give everyone the ability to do it or stop archers being able to do it please Use a bow and cliff away! As far as I remember every player can use a bow?! Devils are limited to bow under 50 skill, training bows are free ;) PM Reply Quote [quote="ARRIS"][quote="NEOXIAN"] give everyone the ability to do it or stop archers being able to do it please[/quote] Use a bow and cliff away! As far as I remember every player can use a bow?! Devils are limited to bow under 50 skill, training bows are free ;)[/quote]	#14 2013/12/31 18:27:03

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