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[quote="QUELTHALAS"]There's no guarantee that it'll be 30 recoil, its luck of the draw, same with the drop from the spawn, current end weapons shouldn't be easy to obtain nor upgrading them still.[/quote]

[quote="YUFFIE"][quote="QUELTHALAS"]Don't think it needs changing its just luck of the draw. There are not enough people hunting BLG for a start, other than that 15 livers per try etc. wait a few months this server is still new. When ToE's are regular then an argument can be made.[/quote] It's not the upgrade items that are the problem, it's the weapons that you have to upgrade which are hard to come by[/quote]

[quote="FUJITORA"]No yuffie, its a problem with the upgrade items, the issue of availability of weapons still exists but thats another story. [quote="QUELTHALAS"]Don't think it needs changing its just luck of the draw. There are not enough people hunting BLG for a start, other than that 15 livers per try etc. wait a few months this server is still new. When ToE's are regular then an argument can be made.[/quote] If you read the posts i have made im not asking for them to be increased in any way the recoil gained will still be the same if the maximum is reduced and the minimum increased. (To reduce the range of speeds that 1 toe can give) Eggpiles are reasonable to get now you can get them at shanis, palus as well as blg and numerous people hunt all 3 of those mobs, it even drops from evil elf. Furthermore, when the last line, "when toes a regular then an argument can be made", makes no sense what so ever, a problem is a problem whether it be now or 2 months down the line when even more people have access to toes.[/quote]

[quote="QUELTHALAS"]No, the problem is the sparsity that they are available at the moment hence to why people are not seeing +3/+4/+5 weapons etc. for a good speed, it will improve over time when people hunt those mobs, palus do not drop eggpiles often, shanis less often than BLG. The upgrade is the luck of the draw and i actually see no reason to change it due to the fact you've had two duds, its luck, I've had a blood bow take off 30 recoil and another take off 70 odd, not complaining, its luck.. although all my livers are gone now mind..[/quote]

[quote="GILGAMESH"]I'll admit Palus and shanis never drop eps, but you can also make them from 15large livers, which almost everyone has access too. (extracting AT's) Probs not an amazing idea to TOE blood bows either to be perfectly honest[/quote]

[quote="PLUM"]I think the current situation is perfectly fine. I'm pretty sure that we shouldn't be seeing perfect end game weapons any time soon. Which is essentially what is being asked for there. I like the difficulty and high fail chances behind getting to these ridiculous items.[/quote]

[quote="FUJITORA"][quote="PLUM"]I think the current situation is perfectly fine. I'm pretty sure that we shouldn't be seeing perfect end game weapons any time soon. Which is essentially what is being asked for there. I like the difficulty and high fail chances behind getting to these ridiculous items.[/quote] On average toes will still give the same recoil they do now, some toes will stop giving lower recoil, and at the same time some will stop giving higher recoil, so nothing will actually change in the bigger picture, but whatever i can live with this. Would still be nice to know the exact values though, so i can moan to myself at how unlucky I've been.[/quote]

[quote="BELKA"][quote="RAVER"]why was toe's recoiled changed anyway?[/quote] Probably because of the max attack +7 bow (and similar) on the test server :D. If you watch my old videos from the test server you can see how every player has A++ Dragonwing and Crit Pens as standard. It all gets a bit silly to be honest, and it meant that magic with completely non-viable in that situation. You could have someone with 100 more INT than you trying to cast and not getting off 1 cast in 15 attempts. Obviously acc/eva changes help with this, but so does the toe/ss change. It's a change that is really brutal in the current stage of the game (people just starting to get regular 120 skill weps and ep's) but will probably seem pretty smart when it becomes standard for top players to have epic +3/4 weapons. My only issue with toes is, as gilga said, the randomness of it all. I don't mind toes and SS's having a flat and set reduction from esoma/test that is the same for everyone, but having a situation where you upgrade 2 weapons and a +1 has the same recoil as a +2 seems crazy. [/quote]