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[quote="FUJITORA"]Can one of Isylver / Finito please inform us of how much recoil a toe has a possibility of removing. I used a toe on a knuk ages ago and it removed 28 recoil, and now i just used another one on a differnt weapon and it removed 27 recoil. I have made other weps on which they removed more, and have heard of people gaining near 80/90recoil on one toe. Just seems somewhat silly that the lower bound is so low, to just add over 1/4th of a speed sometimes. Meaning some times you are gaining almost 3x as much speed as others. Just pulling random numbers out of thin air, if it was 25-100 recoil for one toe, it would make a lot more sense (less randomness) if it was changed to like 50-75, the average gain would be the same, but there would be less retarded upgrades like the two i seem to have come across so far.[/quote]

[quote="BASIL"]Just a suggestion, Why not have three speed upgrades?? One that lower end players can get items for?? With a range of 25-50 ?? Then toe with 50-100??[/quote]

[quote="GILGAMESH"][quote="BASIL"]Just a suggestion, Why not have three speed upgrades?? One that lower end players can get items for?? With a range of 25-50 ?? Then toe with 50-100??[/quote] Thats a nice idea. My issue is that you've already taken a massive gamble crafting the toe (probs 60% success rate) then a gamble to do the upgrade (60% success rate) and now you need to gamble that you don't get a pathetic amount of speed, or the upgrade was nearly worthless. I really hope there's some high minimum in place for swiftspirits[/quote]

[quote="_SEPHIROTH_"]Someone mentioned to me ingame that toes deduct more recoil from higher recoil weapons. So a spear will have more recoil deducted than a knuckle. Still varies though never a set amount. This is just speculation though I actually have no idea :P [/quote]

[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="_SEPHIROTH_"]Someone mentioned to me ingame that toes deduct more recoil from higher recoil weapons. So a spear will have more recoil deducted than a knuckle. Still varies though never a set amount. This is just speculation though I actually have no idea :P [/quote] I believe it's random.[/quote]

[quote="RAVER"]why was toe's recoiled changed anyway?[/quote]

[quote="TOLIC"][quote="RAVER"]why was toe's recoiled changed anyway?[/quote] the same reason eva/acc was. having 11% evasion/acc set / 200 recoil weapons was just too much[/quote]

[quote="TOLIC"]double post -.-[/quote]

[quote="FUJITORA"]Not exactly asking for them to be "buffed" exactly, just suggesting that maybe the extremities in recoil reduced a bit but keep the average the same. Doubt anyone is going to be appearing with 200 recoil weapons any time soon.[/quote]

[quote="CYROX"]Having low recoil weapons in esoma was not over the top, it was a necessity. So many reasons why. One to keep up with int, which melee is not doing on this server. Two to make spear, 2 hand sword etc keep up with axe 4th. I also believe ToE's need a change. [/quote]

[quote="1355"]It seems most of the good upgrades have been nerfed to a slight boost but the risk has remained the same perhaps we need to increase the success rates or remove the loss of the item itself but consume one of the 8 attempts and the upgrade item ofc. Typically a toe used to add another letter or put you on the borderline of the next letter but if its now potentially taking 4 toes to gain a letter then there is cause for concern.[/quote]

[quote="CYROX"]Good point. Increase the success rate and/or reduce the material requirements. It is not logical to nerf the upgrade so much but still keep the same requirements to craft. Risk/a Reward and cost to create is just not worth it. [/quote]

[quote="ACE"]So a Swift spirit is like an esoma ToE now, maybe make these less costly to create as it stands u need a large dia whats pretty rare ( i vote jades :P)[/quote]

[quote="QUELTHALAS"]Don't think it needs changing its just luck of the draw. There are not enough people hunting BLG for a start, other than that 15 livers per try etc. wait a few months this server is still new. When ToE's are regular then an argument can be made.[/quote]

[quote="GILGAMESH"][quote="QUELTHALAS"]Don't think it needs changing its just luck of the draw. There are not enough people hunting BLG for a start, other than that 15 livers per try etc. wait a few months this server is still new. When ToE's are regular then an argument can be made.[/quote] And what about when the weapons you need to upgrade drop from a boss hunted by half the server [b] once every 4days [/b] provided there are no server reboots/events? Would it be fine for that one pamoth weapon you've ever managed to get your hands on to get 30recoil from a toe? Even then it wouldn't be an upgrade compared to the +2 LB weapon you likely will have (unless your an axer). I'd happily accept a slight nerf to toes if pamoth weapons were a drazil drop or something. Would give top end humans an incentive to bother going to war. Blg currently are better than drazil in terms of drops, have a consistent spawn unlike drazil, and aren't surrounded by hundreds of obnoxious lizardmen who have terrible str/dex for hunting purposes. [b][/b][/quote]