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TYPHIN |
Hi,
I've been back a few weeks steady now and was curious to talk about drop rates. And ask some questions. Are the drop rates for items higher in conti for all mobs for both races? If so, may we know by what margin? In hsoma we have some mobs with spawns in vod and abias, namely pris, nm and blg. Do they have the same item drop rate? I recall there was a barr difference but perhaps that is no longer the case. I also recall that there was a merging of drops across spawns so all mobs had the same drop list but obviously the drop list versus the drop rates may not have been merged either by design or otherwise. Is reviewing mob drop rates something that GM's participate in often? Is the incentive to do so affected by public opinion or any comparison between races? Would GM's be open to including drop rates against items on the armory? I appreciate how direct comparison would be ineffective given the larger drop lists generally in hsoma. My interest is based in part because i play both races and find from my devil, kharil liz drops are as dull as dishwater & from my human, BLG just doesn't seem anywhere near as good as i recall. Not to mention ill be heading back to shanis soon which id rather not think about. Obviously RNG plays a large part in these experiences and perhaps someone else's experience would be greatly different. Id be interested to hear. It's not a qq thread btw, just interested.
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[quote="TYPHIN"]Hi,
I've been back a few weeks steady now and was curious to talk about drop rates. And ask some questions.
Are the drop rates for items higher in conti for all mobs for both races? If so, may we know by what margin?
In hsoma we have some mobs with spawns in vod and abias, namely pris, nm and blg.
Do they have the same item drop rate? I recall there was a barr difference but perhaps that is no longer the case. I also recall that there was a merging of drops across spawns so all mobs had the same drop list but obviously the drop list versus the drop rates may not have been merged either by design or otherwise.
Is reviewing mob drop rates something that GM's participate in often?
Is the incentive to do so affected by public opinion or any comparison between races?
Would GM's be open to including drop rates against items on the armory?
I appreciate how direct comparison would be ineffective given the larger drop lists generally in hsoma.
My interest is based in part because i play both races and find from my devil, kharil liz drops are as dull as dishwater & from my human, BLG just doesn't seem anywhere near as good as i recall. Not to mention ill be heading back to shanis soon which id rather not think about.
Obviously RNG plays a large part in these experiences and perhaps someone else's experience would be greatly different. Id be interested to hear. It's not a qq thread btw, just interested.[/quote]
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#1 2018/01/16 18:33:23 |
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MAVERICK |
I seem to recall, the drop rates are the same in conti as they are on every map. Apart from magmas on both races ( conti supposedly has a higher drop rate but everyone I speak with says they don't notice a difference at all)
Also off top of my head the only dropfile I know is different is nightmares. Only the conti ones drop horror eyes. For percentages. If you look in the advisor hall. Jackelpup has grinded out a lot of hours and gone through a few top end mobs. Basically killing 3k of them and given figures and percentages as to drops etc. Interesting read. Here is his palus one for example https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=14367&title=Palus+Drops+%28April+2017%29&Page=1
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[quote="MAVERICK"]I seem to recall, the drop rates are the same in conti as they are on every map. Apart from magmas on both races ( conti supposedly has a higher drop rate but everyone I speak with says they don't notice a difference at all)
Also off top of my head the only dropfile I know is different is nightmares. Only the conti ones drop horror eyes.
For percentages. If you look in the advisor hall. Jackelpup has grinded out a lot of hours and gone through a few top end mobs. Basically killing 3k of them and given figures and percentages as to drops etc. Interesting read.
Here is his palus one for example
[url]https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=14367&title=Palus+Drops+%28April+2017%29&Page=1[/url][/quote]
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#2 2018/01/16 18:45:00 |
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FLICKTHEBEAN |
Unfortunately jac's data is too small a sample size to be anywhere near accurate, as far as I remember the lowest droprate possible on old Soma SQL DB, was 1/32768, so ideally the sample size would have to be tested accross 327,680 monsters. (10x lowest drop chance) for accuracy in overall chance data.
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[quote="FLICKTHEBEAN"]Unfortunately jac's data is too small a sample size to be anywhere near accurate, as far as I remember the lowest droprate possible on old Soma SQL DB, was 1/32768, so ideally the sample size would have to be tested accross 327,680 monsters. (10x lowest drop chance) for accuracy in overall chance data.[/quote]
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#3 2018/01/16 18:53:48 |
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MAVERICK |
"FLICKTHEBEAN"Unfortunately jac's data is too small a sample size to be anywhere near accurate, as far as I remember the lowest droprate possible on old Soma SQL DB, was 1/32768, so ideally the sample size would have to be tested accross 327,680 monsters. (10x lowest drop chance) for accuracy in overall chance data. Right come on Jac, time to buck up. You got some monsters to kill 😂😂
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[quote="MAVERICK"][quote="FLICKTHEBEAN"]Unfortunately jac's data is too small a sample size to be anywhere near accurate, as far as I remember the lowest droprate possible on old Soma SQL DB, was 1/32768, so ideally the sample size would have to be tested accross 327,680 monsters. (10x lowest drop chance) for accuracy in overall chance data.[/quote]
Right come on Jac, time to buck up. You got some monsters to kill 😂😂[/quote]
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#4 2018/01/16 18:57:48 |
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TYPHIN |
yeah, i have seen the hard work jac did. the worrying part even with the sample size was the failed drop section.
Perhaps folks would disagree but i don't think hp/mana pots really have a place beyond a certain point for instance |
#5 2018/01/16 19:31:19 |
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MANTICORE |
on dsoma the conti mobs have higher chance to drop also their drop file is way better :D
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#6 2018/01/16 21:48:08 |
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1355 |
I Think an item has a static drop rate % set in the DB regardless of where it drops such as stige,sb,nm all having the same frog % etc. So across maps/mobs the drops will be the same. Blg items for sure has been nerfed compared to esoma %'s.
Ill be honest most of the drop files are ok with the exception of a few items needlessly rarer than they should be. If i remember rightly the lowest drop % that existed was SP at 0.02% Having looked over jacs data i can agree its not enough kills because ive had wildly different drops with multiples of his failed to drop list. But to be fair i have torn the arsehole out of palus from time to time.
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[quote="1355"]I Think an item has a static drop rate % set in the DB regardless of where it drops such as stige,sb,nm all having the same frog % etc. So across maps/mobs the drops will be the same. Blg items for sure has been nerfed compared to esoma %'s.
Ill be honest most of the drop files are ok with the exception of a few items needlessly rarer than they should be. If i remember rightly the lowest drop % that existed was SP at 0.02%
Having looked over jacs data i can agree its not enough kills because ive had wildly different drops with multiples of his failed to drop list. But to be fair i have torn the arsehole out of palus from time to time.[/quote]
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#7 2018/01/17 01:57:44 |
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"1355"I Think an item has a static drop rate % set in the DB regardless of where it drops such as stige,sb,nm all having the same frog % etc. So across maps/mobs the drops will be the same. Blg items for sure has been nerfed compared to esoma %'s. Sorry that's completely incorrect. Monsterset has a line for each spawn. So LB as an example is made up of say 20 different spawns all with a line in the database with a set of drops (they have been merged now but the concept still applies). Therefore a different mob may have a different rate of drops for each item that drops.
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[quote="JAMIS"][quote="1355"]I Think an item has a static drop rate % set in the DB regardless of where it drops such as stige,sb,nm all having the same frog % etc. So across maps/mobs the drops will be the same. Blg items for sure has been nerfed compared to esoma %'s.
Ill be honest most of the drop files are ok with the exception of a few items needlessly rarer than they should be. If i remember rightly the lowest drop % that existed was SP at 0.02%
Having looked over jacs data i can agree its not enough kills because ive had wildly different drops with multiples of his failed to drop list. But to be fair i have torn the arsehole out of palus from time to time.[/quote]
Sorry that's completely incorrect.
Monsterset has a line for each spawn. So LB as an example is made up of say 20 different spawns all with a line in the database with a set of drops (they have been merged now but the concept still applies). Therefore a different mob may have a different rate of drops for each item that drops.[/quote]
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#8 2018/01/17 02:25:14 |
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1355 |
"JAMIS""1355"I Think an item has a static drop rate % set in the DB regardless of where it drops such as stige,sb,nm all having the same frog % etc. So across maps/mobs the drops will be the same. Blg items for sure has been nerfed compared to esoma %'s. Have you seen a mob with two different drop rates on the same item though is what im saying. I havent come across it but i could be wrong
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[quote="1355"][quote="JAMIS"][quote="1355"]I Think an item has a static drop rate % set in the DB regardless of where it drops such as stige,sb,nm all having the same frog % etc. So across maps/mobs the drops will be the same. Blg items for sure has been nerfed compared to esoma %'s.
Ill be honest most of the drop files are ok with the exception of a few items needlessly rarer than they should be. If i remember rightly the lowest drop % that existed was SP at 0.02%
Having looked over jacs data i can agree its not enough kills because ive had wildly different drops with multiples of his failed to drop list. But to be fair i have torn the arsehole out of palus from time to time.[/quote]
Sorry that's completely incorrect.
Monsterset has a line for each spawn. So LB as an example is made up of say 20 different spawns all with a line in the database with a set of drops (they have been merged now but the concept still applies). Therefore a different mob may have a different rate of drops for each item that drops.[/quote]
Have you seen a mob with two different drop rates on the same item though is what im saying. I havent come across it but i could be wrong[/quote]
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#9 2018/01/17 03:09:28 |
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LOTSO |
Same items across different monsters have different drop rate this is fact. I don’t have a db to hand but they certainty do.
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#10 2018/01/17 06:44:35 |
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MAVERICK |
"LOTSO"Same items across different monsters have different drop rate this is fact. I don’t have a db to hand but they certainty do. So your saying that as there is 3 nm spawns. One abais one conti and 1 vod. That for example. Vod ones might drop more nm gear and abais ones might drop more frogs etc?
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[quote="MAVERICK"][quote="LOTSO"]Same items across different monsters have different drop rate this is fact. I don’t have a db to hand but they certainty do. [/quote]
So your saying that as there is 3 nm spawns. One abais one conti and 1 vod.
That for example. Vod ones might drop more nm gear and abais ones might drop more frogs etc?[/quote]
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#11 2018/01/17 08:03:12 |
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LOTSO |
Last year drops where like,
I’ll use lb as an example, Everyone knew what location apus dropped at, lb used to have about 8 different spawns each spawn had its own drop file. Now with changes to drops, All lb in conti have the same drops. With the likes of frogs and nm, all nm in vod have the same chance of dropping a frog (one spawn). In conti this is the same monster as in stats as this information is shared, but drops are completely different as to what map the monster is in. I’m sure drop rates would be different.
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[quote="LOTSO"]Last year drops where like,
I’ll use lb as an example,
Everyone knew what location apus dropped at, lb used to have about 8 different spawns each spawn had its own drop file.
Now with changes to drops,
All lb in conti have the same drops.
With the likes of frogs and nm, all nm in vod have the same chance of dropping a frog (one spawn). In conti this is the same monster as in stats as this information is shared, but drops are completely different as to what map the monster is in.
I’m sure drop rates would be different. [/quote]
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#12 2018/01/17 08:24:31 |
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MAVERICK |
Ahhh. I heard the same with devilish. If you stood in specific co odds you had a lot higher chance of dropping diamonds for fun. But I also heard this got removed a long time ago?
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#13 2018/01/17 09:25:05 |
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LOTSO |
Over a year ago
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#14 2018/01/17 10:15:46 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"1355" How would you know as a player? o.o Originally each monster SPAWN had a drop list of 15 items, each with a drop rate. So the drops could be different per spawn on the same mob. However, these have since been merged if on the same map. ie abias and vod nightmares still have a seperate drop file.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="1355"]
Have you seen a mob with two different drop rates on the same item though is what im saying. I havent come across it but i could be wrong[/quote]
How would you know as a player? o.o
Originally each monster SPAWN had a drop list of 15 items, each with a drop rate. So the drops could be different per spawn on the same mob. However, these have since been merged if on the same map. ie abias and vod nightmares still have a seperate drop file.[/quote]
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#15 2018/01/17 11:14:24 |
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