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MAVERICK |
"TYRAEL""MAVERICK""DEATHNOTE"How about if you feel like your getting harassed from spawn to spawn you just pm there guild leader/co leaders and we'll tell our members to stop, surely we can come to some agreement? Even if you're leaders/co' are offline, maybe we can use the new discord to sort petty shit out like this, easy to use the discord app on your phone and message a leader on there, then the leader can use whatsapp/guild web chat to tell the member. Yup they do. So they will more than likely be reported if they don't listen. We're never going to eradicate dickheads and childish people. But if a few guilds stop a few, it all adds up and takes pressure from the gms.
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[quote="MAVERICK"][quote="TYRAEL"][quote="MAVERICK"][quote="DEATHNOTE"]How about if you feel like your getting harassed from spawn to spawn you just pm there guild leader/co leaders and we'll tell our members to stop, surely we can come to some agreement? Even if you're leaders/co' are offline, maybe we can use the new discord to sort petty shit out like this, easy to use the discord app on your phone and message a leader on there, then the leader can use whatsapp/guild web chat to tell the member.
It's not just one guild doing it, both sides spawn camp etc. Get the message across to our/your members to not chase from spawn to spawn on the same player then we don't need to waste Gms development time with petty pk politics / pk free maps( pilot heaven -.- ) Rather development time be used for new item content/New dungeon raids/A hoarde map where you get swarmed by mobs/bosses once a week - every player can enter for a fee of say 100k.
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Death, I said exactly the same to my a few in my guild. Everyone uses discord/Skype/whatsapp etc. I suggested maybe a small group on there with a couple of people from each big guild to try and police ourselves rather than mithering the gms etc. And to be fair id say most will obide by it. Obvs will get a couple on both sides that wont but thats life. I think this would work. And also that group could even organise things between guilds, like pk fights, maybe joint raiding devs etc. Organise rvr, and even make a plan for WOW.[/quote]
Good idea in principle but in practice it wont work every guild has a black sheep who gives zero fucks. What if people go into a solo guild they can do as they please but still Allie the main guild?
There has been some cracking solutions. If they were implemented the game would just police its self and people would have a place to hunt in peace albeit a nerfed place.[/quote]
Yup they do. So they will more than likely be reported if they don't listen. We're never going to eradicate dickheads and childish people. But if a few guilds stop a few, it all adds up and takes pressure from the gms. [/quote]
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#61 2018/02/05 20:59:20 |
OCD |
Your missing the point Mav. People are only doing what the game allows them to do. Some of the Ideas above would solve the problem over night.
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#62 2018/02/05 23:31:31 |
MAVERICK |
"OCD"Your missing the point Mav. People are only doing what the game allows them to do. Some of the Ideas above would solve the problem over night. I know what your saying mate. Just thinking why the gms should have to spend time doing extra work just to sort out something a little cloudy in the rules. People know the rules but are fundjng loopholes as such. when it could be policed by a couple of guild members. I'm all for change and yeah would like to see a lot of these ideas. But if we could help ourselves too by having some kind of gentleman's agreement in place before stuff like reporting and bans etc reach the gms. It can only be a good thing
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[quote="MAVERICK"][quote="OCD"]Your missing the point Mav. People are only doing what the game allows them to do. Some of the Ideas above would solve the problem over night. [/quote]
I know what your saying mate. Just thinking why the gms should have to spend time doing extra work just to sort out something a little cloudy in the rules. People know the rules but are fundjng loopholes as such. when it could be policed by a couple of guild members. I'm all for change and yeah would like to see a lot of these ideas. But if we could help ourselves too by having some kind of gentleman's agreement in place before stuff like reporting and bans etc reach the gms. It can only be a good thing[/quote]
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#63 2018/02/06 07:59:49 |
SUBXERO |
Mav your missing thenpoint a bit here
Gms are spending most of there time sorting issues due to pk/harrasment All your doing is passing this onto guild leaders i am way to busy to take over all this. You need to give players the opportunity to play, if something in game is making players stop playing the game then it should be fixed. A new pve map with zero drops and 2nd mag spawn solves this issue imo. And a lot of people msged me and agreed with this option from all walks of soma. How much less hassle will there be for gms/guild leaders to police. Still keep the same rules ingame i.e you still cant chase spawn to spawn but lets face it this happens daily, atleast if people just want to lvl and chill they can.
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[quote="SUBXERO"]Mav your missing thenpoint a bit here
Gms are spending most of there time sorting issues due to pk/harrasment
All your doing is passing this onto guild leaders i am way to busy to take over all this.
You need to give players the opportunity to play, if something in game is making players stop playing the game then it should be fixed.
A new pve map with zero drops and 2nd mag spawn solves this issue imo. And a lot of people msged me and agreed with this option from all walks of soma.
How much less hassle will there be for gms/guild leaders to police.
Still keep the same rules ingame i.e you still cant chase spawn to spawn but lets face it this happens daily, atleast if people just want to lvl and chill they can.
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#64 2018/02/06 08:06:47 |
PURIEL |
Cant have a mag spawn in a pk free zone. Mags should b risk reward mob imo. Or this whole idea will kill soma as noone will pk priity much. Y lvl in a pk zone whn u can grind to lvl 110 hassle free thn spam hassle free mags till ur uber geared THN run around n try to find ppl to kill. Or will everyone b happy with gvw n wotw n ss? I dont think so tbh The appeal or soma is what it is right now tbh. Gm’s keep as is. It aint broke at the mo so y mess around with it.
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[quote="PURIEL"]Cant have a mag spawn in a pk free zone. Mags should b risk reward mob imo. Or this whole idea will kill soma as noone will pk priity much. Y lvl in a pk zone whn u can grind to lvl 110 hassle free thn spam hassle free mags till ur uber geared THN run around n try to find ppl to kill. Or will everyone b happy with gvw n wotw n ss? I dont think so tbh The appeal or soma is what it is right now tbh. Gm’s keep as is. It aint broke at the mo so y mess around with it. [/quote]
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#65 2018/02/06 08:30:53 |
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this coward map would just cater to people who for some reason or another have done something against other people in the community and now can't hunt in peace which is exactly how the game should work. There isn't anyone outside of the dl/vk rivalry who is hassled/grieffed. Diablo joined vk and was targeted, so joined mistress and is left alone. The only people targeted by DL in that way are our enemy. This is exactly how it should be..
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[quote="PIKUTIN"]this coward map would just cater to people who for some reason or another have done something against other people in the community and now can't hunt in peace which is exactly how the game should work. There isn't anyone outside of the dl/vk rivalry who is hassled/grieffed. Diablo joined vk and was targeted, so joined mistress and is left alone. The only people targeted by DL in that way are our enemy. This is exactly how it should be..[/quote]
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#66 2018/02/06 08:32:37 |
TYRESE |
Also VK / NM do exactly the same to DL members. There’s been times where for a full day I’ve not been able to hunt so I’ve done something else instead.
I’ve had a situation where player X has come to try and kill me at vod blg so I’ve warped and gone to abias blg. 5minutes later player X has logged onto a second character to come and stop me hunting again. Because it’s a difference character name but the same player this doesn’t count towards spawn to spawn, which is wrong. It’s the same as if it’s not the same person playing separate chars but if 3 VK / NM forced me to warp from one spawn and then I go to the next and 3 totally different players come after me there, surely that’s also spawn to spawn regardless of who the players are? DL have also been known to do this so I’m not just saying it’s VK/NM but from our side I’ve seen people go and raid every map in a group and in guild chat there was clear instructions “don’t kill xxxx we got him in vod” etc.
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[quote="TYRESE"]Also VK / NM do exactly the same to DL members. There’s been times where for a full day I’ve not been able to hunt so I’ve done something else instead.
I’ve had a situation where player X has come to try and kill me at vod blg so I’ve warped and gone to abias blg. 5minutes later player X has logged onto a second character to come and stop me hunting again. Because it’s a difference character name but the same player this doesn’t count towards spawn to spawn, which is wrong.
It’s the same as if it’s not the same person playing separate chars but if 3 VK / NM forced me to warp from one spawn and then I go to the next and 3 totally different players come after me there, surely that’s also spawn to spawn regardless of who the players are?
DL have also been known to do this so I’m not just saying it’s VK/NM but from our side I’ve seen people go and raid every map in a group and in guild chat there was clear instructions “don’t kill xxxx we got him in vod” etc.[/quote]
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#67 2018/02/06 08:47:58 |
MAVERICK |
"TYRESE"Also VK / NM do exactly the same to DL members. There’s been times where for a full day I’ve not been able to hunt so I’ve done something else instead. And that's why I'm saying to attempt to police it ourselves. It's a loophole in the rules. People know it's wrong, but can't be banned for it and wastes gms time sorting it out. My suggestion is you tell your ' nominated guild person to chat with our nominated one. ( doesn't have to be a leader) and ask him to to stop. If he does then fair play. If he doesn't then escalate it. I've had the same done to me before and I know it happens both ways.
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[quote="MAVERICK"][quote="TYRESE"]Also VK / NM do exactly the same to DL members. There’s been times where for a full day I’ve not been able to hunt so I’ve done something else instead.
I’ve had a situation where player X has come to try and kill me at vod blg so I’ve warped and gone to abias blg. 5minutes later player X has logged onto a second character to come and stop me hunting again. Because it’s a difference character name but the same player this doesn’t count towards spawn to spawn, which is wrong.
It’s the same as if it’s not the same person playing separate chars but if 3 VK / NM forced me to warp from one spawn and then I go to the next and 3 totally different players come after me there, surely that’s also spawn to spawn regardless of who the players are?
DL have also been known to do this so I’m not just saying it’s VK/NM but from our side I’ve seen people go and raid every map in a group and in guild chat there was clear instructions “don’t kill xxxx we got him in vod” etc.[/quote]
And that's why I'm saying to attempt to police it ourselves. It's a loophole in the rules. People know it's wrong, but can't be banned for it and wastes gms time sorting it out. My suggestion is you tell your ' nominated guild person to chat with our nominated one. ( doesn't have to be a leader) and ask him to to stop. If he does then fair play. If he doesn't then escalate it. I've had the same done to me before and I know it happens both ways. [/quote]
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#68 2018/02/06 09:08:07 |
TYRESE |
The easiest way to prevent any form of harrassment is pk limit of x amount every hour. An hour is a long time to hunt but also not that long for a pker to wait so that he doesn’t get bored.
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#69 2018/02/06 09:23:43 |
SUBXERO |
"PURIEL"Cant have a mag spawn in a pk free zone. Mags should b risk reward mob imo. Or this whole idea will kill soma as noone will pk priity much. Y lvl in a pk zone whn u can grind to lvl 110 hassle free thn spam hassle free mags till ur uber geared THN run around n try to find ppl to kill. Or will everyone b happy with gvw n wotw n ss? I dont think so tbh The appeal or soma is what it is right now tbh. Gm’s keep as is. It aint broke at the mo so y mess around with it. I never ever said this, i said a 2nd mag spawn in merc or abias as when we dont have conti people are unable to hunt if pk kicks off at mags. As for all the other comments you are still missing the point. We need a solution to stop people leaving the game or not being able to play it.
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[quote="SUBXERO"][quote="PURIEL"]Cant have a mag spawn in a pk free zone. Mags should b risk reward mob imo. Or this whole idea will kill soma as noone will pk priity much. Y lvl in a pk zone whn u can grind to lvl 110 hassle free thn spam hassle free mags till ur uber geared THN run around n try to find ppl to kill. Or will everyone b happy with gvw n wotw n ss? I dont think so tbh The appeal or soma is what it is right now tbh. Gm’s keep as is. It aint broke at the mo so y mess around with it. [/quote]
I never ever said this, i said a 2nd mag spawn in merc or abias as when we dont have conti people are unable to hunt if pk kicks off at mags.
As for all the other comments you are still missing the point. We need a solution to stop people leaving the game or not being able to play it. [/quote]
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#70 2018/02/06 10:12:37 |
SUBXERO |
"TYRESE"Also VK / NM do exactly the same to DL members. There’s been times where for a full day I’ve not been able to hunt so I’ve done something else instead. I agree with all this, it happens all over. But we need a solution to it. it should not happen that you can not hunt and have to go do something else.
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[quote="SUBXERO"][quote="TYRESE"]Also VK / NM do exactly the same to DL members. There’s been times where for a full day I’ve not been able to hunt so I’ve done something else instead.
I’ve had a situation where player X has come to try and kill me at vod blg so I’ve warped and gone to abias blg. 5minutes later player X has logged onto a second character to come and stop me hunting again. Because it’s a difference character name but the same player this doesn’t count towards spawn to spawn, which is wrong.
It’s the same as if it’s not the same person playing separate chars but if 3 VK / NM forced me to warp from one spawn and then I go to the next and 3 totally different players come after me there, surely that’s also spawn to spawn regardless of who the players are?
DL have also been known to do this so I’m not just saying it’s VK/NM but from our side I’ve seen people go and raid every map in a group and in guild chat there was clear instructions “don’t kill xxxx we got him in vod” etc.[/quote]
I agree with all this, it happens all over. But we need a solution to it. it should not happen that you can not hunt and have to go do something else. [/quote]
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#71 2018/02/06 10:14:30 |
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To clarfiy some things.
Before iSylver lost a lot of time working on PM's and dealing with harassment etc. After a while, he gave that responsibility to me. As a result his hands were free to work with Finito on content. He only would have to assist sometimes where needed. This also removed a lot of the motiviational issues that we had seen at the start of the server. :) I never was a content developer. I've always been a community GM, so this role fits met perfectly. So in short, not a lot of development time is lost currently. Lately I've been busy though and haven't had a lot of time for games etc. So I've been a bit slow the last few weeks with the PM's. Though I do notice that it is always the same people (not a poke or an issue, just an observation). Before I would do my PM's every day and I would have a bunch of them every day. Though if I only work through them once a week, there wouldn't be an exponential amount of extra pm's. But rather the same people waiting for a reply. So I have dicided to start a new way of working. Rather than working through my PM's every day i'll do them once or twice a week. Though this is just a (forced) trial period.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]To clarfiy some things.
Before iSylver lost a lot of time working on PM's and dealing with harassment etc.
After a while, he gave that responsibility to me. As a result his hands were free to work with Finito on content. He only would have to assist sometimes where needed. This also removed a lot of the motiviational issues that we had seen at the start of the server. :)
I never was a content developer. I've always been a community GM, so this role fits met perfectly. So in short, not a lot of development time is lost currently.
Lately I've been busy though and haven't had a lot of time for games etc. So I've been a bit slow the last few weeks with the PM's. Though I do notice that it is always the same people (not a poke or an issue, just an observation). Before I would do my PM's every day and I would have a bunch of them every day. Though if I only work through them once a week, there wouldn't be an exponential amount of extra pm's. But rather the same people waiting for a reply. So I have dicided to start a new way of working. Rather than working through my PM's every day i'll do them once or twice a week. Though this is just a (forced) trial period.[/quote]
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#72 2018/02/06 10:27:40 |
SUBXERO |
"GHOSTLORD"To clarfiy some things. This still does not solve the issue of giving players an option to hunt and play the game, If you read a pm a week after they have logged off the game due to grief/harassment its no good to anyone. There needs to be something implemented to the game, so you dont have to deal with this like this, then you can on more important harassment issues like racism, bug abuse, etc. A lot of players have agreed with something like a pve map or similar implemented , players from DL, VK and neutral guilds so its not just 1 person saying this.
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[quote="SUBXERO"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]To clarfiy some things.
Before iSylver lost a lot of time working on PM's and dealing with harassment etc.
After a while, he gave that responsibility to me. As a result his hands were free to work with Finito on content. He only would have to assist sometimes where needed. This also removed a lot of the motiviational issues that we had seen at the start of the server. :)
I never was a content developer. I've always been a community GM, so this role fits met perfectly. So in short, not a lot of development time is lost currently.
Lately I've been busy though and haven't had a lot of time for games etc. So I've been a bit slow the last few weeks with the PM's. Though I do notice that it is always the same people (not a poke or an issue, just an observation). Before I would do my PM's every day and I would have a bunch of them every day. Though if I only work through them once a week, there wouldn't be an exponential amount of extra pm's. But rather the same people waiting for a reply. So I have dicided to start a new way of working. Rather than working through my PM's every day i'll do them once or twice a week. Though this is just a (forced) trial period.[/quote]
This still does not solve the issue of giving players an option to hunt and play the game, If you read a pm a week after they have logged off the game due to grief/harassment its no good to anyone.
There needs to be something implemented to the game, so you dont have to deal with this like this, then you can on more important harassment issues like racism, bug abuse, etc.
A lot of players have agreed with something like a pve map or similar implemented , players from DL, VK and neutral guilds so its not just 1 person saying this.
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#73 2018/02/06 11:20:32 |
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I think there's two genuine options. The first is that you offer more ability to avoid being pked, or some governance of pking. Something a lot of people have now said
Or, you simply make pking more risky (and maybe up the reward). That is, pk once, and your grey for an hour AND everyone on that map (or joins that map) receives a compass point of where you are. (like how compass/ 3rd bow works) pk twice, and your grey status lasts for 8 hours AND everyone on that map (or joins that map) receives a compass point of that pker on the map pk three times or more and it lasts 24 hours AND everyone on that map (or joins that map) receives a compass In combination with - a pker has a 30 second log out timer, not 5 seconds A pker that dies when being grey WILL drop a item from inventory/equipped A pker that kills a none-grey has a 'ok' chance at getting a death drop. Not a super chance but say 15% chance. In summary, make pkers, genunine outlaws and become targets themselves, like they are in most other games.
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[quote="FOXTRCK"]I think there's two genuine options. The first is that you offer more ability to avoid being pked, or some governance of pking. Something a lot of people have now said
Or, you simply make pking more risky (and maybe up the reward).
That is, pk once, and your grey for an hour AND everyone on that map (or joins that map) receives a compass point of where you are. (like how compass/ 3rd bow works)
pk twice, and your grey status lasts for 8 hours AND everyone on that map (or joins that map) receives a compass point of that pker on the map
pk three times or more and it lasts 24 hours AND everyone on that map (or joins that map) receives a compass
In combination with - a pker has a 30 second log out timer, not 5 seconds
A pker that dies when being grey WILL drop a item from inventory/equipped
A pker that kills a none-grey has a 'ok' chance at getting a death drop. Not a super chance but say 15% chance.
In summary, make pkers, genunine outlaws and become targets themselves, like they are in most other games.[/quote]
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#74 2018/02/06 11:24:10 |
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isylvers anti pk tickets would come in handy for the very thing. have them as a barr sink and daily rewards.
it stops working if you attack anyone even if they are grey and cant be used if you pk'd in the last few hours? would stop someone pk'n then instantly using a ticket and would open up an avenue of trade for them. frog for anti pk ticket etc.
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[quote="FRINGE"]isylvers anti pk tickets would come in handy for the very thing. have them as a barr sink and daily rewards.
it stops working if you attack anyone even if they are grey and cant be used if you pk'd in the last few hours?
would stop someone pk'n then instantly using a ticket and would open up an avenue of trade for them.
frog for anti pk ticket etc.[/quote]
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#75 2018/02/06 11:29:07 |
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