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I got 2 hit by humans at last nights war % and carnage cant hit+5th kill you on 82str. you think % was fair lol
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#16 2014/03/10 11:47:18 |
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i have 136 str and 128 con (our defensive stat) and 500 hp.
i would say coos has around the same i would definitely say no higher than 140 str. i would say coos is between 3 and 5 levels higher than me max as i cant see him being beyond 80 by much margin. your comparisons of your damage intake vs output is comparing the highest damage dealing devil vs yourself which is a balanced int/str char of relatively low level (im guessing 63~?) the level difference between you and carnage is over 25 levels. You are put on 10% by the highest devil (damage wise) with a hit and 5th!! but a devil your level is 1 hit killed by someone carnages level by Leo/Style/Coos as well as Zyzz/Fuji/Plum (strength AND int) im comparing a human that is pretty much my level and stats.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]i have 136 str and 128 con (our defensive stat) and 500 hp.
i would say coos has around the same i would definitely say no higher than 140 str. i would say coos is between 3 and 5 levels higher than me max as i cant see him being beyond 80 by much margin.
your comparisons of your damage intake vs output is comparing the highest damage dealing devil vs yourself which is a balanced int/str char of relatively low level (im guessing 63~?) the level difference between you and carnage is over 25 levels. You are put on 10% by the highest devil (damage wise) with a hit and 5th!! but a devil your level is 1 hit killed by someone carnages level by Leo/Style/Coos as well as Zyzz/Fuji/Plum (strength AND int)
im comparing a human that is pretty much my level and stats. [/quote]
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#17 2014/03/10 11:50:02 |
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"YOSHIMITSU""NEOXIAN"i came in last night to war, and in int robes while grey from pk so all could see Lordcoos with a bow can hit and 4th me to about 40% hp. 500 hp, less 60% means he hits me for 135 then 165 with 4th. I hit him for about 40 and 75 respectively with my 4th. this is the difference between my damage and 187's damage who's 90+ You have a problem with him mentioning coos' str but you go ahead and use the strongest hitting devil as an examnple against a weak str human as yourself... You say mages hurt you without wearing the appropriate gear, which mages? If you mean Rehlina, s0rcerer, Monster, Lazarus etc, they all have over (some WAY over) 100int, you are naked against them and they actually hurt, thats your argument? They shouldn't hurt, they should completely destroy you, including carnage. You go ahead and tell me that plum doesnt wreak your HP bar when your not wearing any robes.
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[quote="999"][quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="NEOXIAN"]i came in last night to war, and in int robes while grey from pk so all could see Lordcoos with a bow can hit and 4th me to about 40% hp. 500 hp, less 60% means he hits me for 135 then 165 with 4th. I hit him for about 40 and 75 respectively with my 4th. this is the difference between my damage and 187's damage who's 90+
Now, put str armor on, and he hits me for 40% of my hp with a hit and 4th, meaning he's doing around 85 and 120 with his 4th...
but because i now have strength armor on, fujitora with ~240? magic attack less my passive 86 wis (86 defence) means he's hitting me for around 300 hp weakened. this is 60% of my hp in one hit.
there are plenty of other humans with similar or the same int as fuji since it's so easy to train int (faster levelling than dsoma un-arguably)
so basically, in int armor i am royally raped by melee. in strength armor i'm disgustingly raped by int.
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There aren't plenty of humans with the same or similar int as fuji. INT levelling isn't faster then devils levelling, it is maybe on par, probably a little slower. But if we don't do str, we are literally 1 hit by devils. I'm 82 str, 450+hp and with hero helm, boots, top and displacer pads, carnage puts me ~10% hp with a 5th and hit. I'm 91+ int and mages hurt like fuck without robes on, if I turn up in robes that's asking to be totally raped by the many archers that are around. It's a catch 22, exactly the same as your situation with coos and fuji. Your using them as an example but do you know Coos str or Fuji's int? What are your stats in comparison to theirs? What level are you and what level are they? What str/int are they at? I know Coo's has been at BLG for a while now so i'm guessing he's one of the strongest str wise humans there is.
I thought % yesterday was pretty fair considering numbers that turned up, you may have to mash the pot button more then we do but you can also carry a lot more pots then we can. Monster tanked a fair few humans on middle stone last night before warping 15 seconds before the end of war, so it's not all unbalanced as you think.
Just my two cents[/quote]
You have a problem with him mentioning coos' str but you go ahead and use the strongest hitting devil as an examnple against a weak str human as yourself...
You say mages hurt you without wearing the appropriate gear, which mages?
If you mean Rehlina, s0rcerer, Monster, Lazarus etc, they all have over (some WAY over) 100int, you are naked against them and they actually hurt, thats your argument? They shouldn't hurt, they should completely destroy you, including carnage.
You go ahead and tell me that plum doesnt wreak your HP bar when your not wearing any robes.[/quote]
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#18 2014/03/10 11:50:24 |
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"999" I'm not saying they shouldn't hurt, i'm using myself as an example. Just as your using Fuji (One of the highest int in game) and Coos (One of the highest str in hsoma) as an example. Not many other users are around their levels, whereas there are probably a lot of dsoma users who are around your levels (?). The problem isn't the %, it's the constant turn out week in week out which dictates if the war is fair or not. There was a pretty decent fight in the throne room this week for the stones and it wasn't one sided by any means. Can I ask, what exactly are you proposing? Your saying damage output isn't good enough, would you like damage increased for devils while defence remains the same?
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="999"]
You have a problem with him mentioning coos' str but you go ahead and use the strongest hitting devil as an examnple against a weak str human as yourself...
You say mages hurt you without wearing the appropriate gear, which mages?
If you mean Rehlina, s0rcerer, Monster, Lazarus etc, they all have over (some WAY over) 100int, you are naked against them and they actually hurt, thats your argument? They shouldn't hurt, they should completely destroy you, including carnage.
You go ahead and tell me that plum doesnt wreak your HP bar when your not wearing any robes.[/quote]
I'm not saying they shouldn't hurt, i'm using myself as an example. Just as your using Fuji (One of the highest int in game) and Coos (One of the highest str in hsoma) as an example. Not many other users are around their levels, whereas there are probably a lot of dsoma users who are around your levels (?). The problem isn't the %, it's the constant turn out week in week out which dictates if the war is fair or not. There was a pretty decent fight in the throne room this week for the stones and it wasn't one sided by any means.
Can I ask, what exactly are you proposing? Your saying damage output isn't good enough, would you like damage increased for devils while defence remains the same? [/quote]
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#19 2014/03/10 12:07:26 |
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#20 2014/03/10 12:34:46 |
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"ARROW"While EQ were hunting conti, 3 of them fought against 3 devils 2 65+ devils 1 75+ unsure of the humans level but guessing 2 were 75+ one was 65+. devils were on 100% and humans were on 90%. result? humans wiped the floor with them in seconds. As humans outnumber devils 2/1 at least, surely its not right that devils are on 60% or lower for wars The % is currently the result of plenty of humans bitching about carnage, slayer, or 187 a long time ago doing chunks of damage to mid level humans. Nothing was said about humans flooring devils in a hit or two for months. If you were to suggest a dmg increase (increase is actually a joke, what I mean is to do their true F10dmg), humans would actually have to start potting and worry about being out of the safe zone, just like we do. As it stands, there's usually a group of humans who have no fear of dying, maybe they will be hit, but nothing to put pressure on making them move, especially when they know 2 or 3 DBs with a sneaky weaken will drop virtually anything that comes their way, and that the damage they are doing far exceeds the dmg being taken. THEN they go ahead and point the finger at Monster or S0rcerer, "Oh look, they could tank some humans" (using int while they are in their robes). Completely blinded by their own stupidity, they still have the gall to complain and therefore have our % reduced to something not even challenging which they now think is fair, and since they can get kill after kill and never die, they enjoy it. [Edit] I do realise that iSylver has adjusted the % but it was not rebooted, im not arguing that % needs to be upped, because it has. This is just to point out our current situation.
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[quote="999"][quote="ARROW"]While EQ were hunting conti, 3 of them fought against 3 devils 2 65+ devils 1 75+ unsure of the humans level but guessing 2 were 75+ one was 65+. devils were on 100% and humans were on 90%. result? humans wiped the floor with them in seconds. As humans outnumber devils 2/1 at least, surely its not right that devils are on 60% or lower for wars[/quote]
The % is currently the result of plenty of humans bitching about carnage, slayer, or 187 a long time ago doing chunks of damage to mid level humans.
Nothing was said about humans flooring devils in a hit or two for months.
If you were to suggest a dmg increase (increase is actually a joke, what I mean is to do their true F10dmg), humans would actually have to start potting and worry about being out of the safe zone, just like we do.
As it stands, there's usually a group of humans who have no fear of dying, maybe they will be hit, but nothing to put pressure on making them move, especially when they know 2 or 3 DBs with a sneaky weaken will drop virtually anything that comes their way, and that the damage they are doing far exceeds the dmg being taken.
THEN they go ahead and point the finger at Monster or S0rcerer, "Oh look, they could tank some humans" (using int while they are in their robes).
Completely blinded by their own stupidity, they still have the gall to complain and therefore have our % reduced to something not even challenging which they now think is fair, and since they can get kill after kill and never die, they enjoy it.
[Edit] I do realise that iSylver has adjusted the % but it was not rebooted, im not arguing that % needs to be upped, because it has.
This is just to point out our current situation.[/quote]
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#21 2014/03/10 12:42:00 |
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"OPENTHEDOOR"Carnage still hurts everyone attending, bar Leo a lot! I'm about to hang up my wotw boots tbh, I'm there every war but now it feels like I'm just wasting my barr and my time. Any pos I get I give away to hsoma mates before I start running into crowds to avoid losing stacks of 200~500 from humans 30 levels lower than me getting lucky last hits.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]Carnage still hurts everyone attending, bar Leo a lot![/quote]
I'm about to hang up my wotw boots tbh, I'm there every war but now it feels like I'm just wasting my barr and my time. Any pos I get I give away to hsoma mates before I start running into crowds to avoid losing stacks of 200~500 from humans 30 levels lower than me getting lucky last hits.
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#22 2014/03/10 13:18:59 |
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As always people mention the stronger members of each race, let's just delve into that shall we?
If we're to compare like for like - Plum and Myself are pretty close on magic attack. Plum can kill me in about 3~4 hits in weaken with Dragonbreath. (While i'm in full diabolist gear) On the contrary, it'll take me about 10~15 hits to kill him. (While he's not using any robes at all) Here, we have the highest magic attack players on both races and an absolute massive difference in damage output. I needn't even mention anything else, as the above says it all. I'm eager to see what the % is after the next Reboot as Ghost did mention that iSylver had it on his radar.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]As always people mention the stronger members of each race, let's just delve into that shall we?
If we're to compare like for like - Plum and Myself are pretty close on magic attack.
Plum can kill me in about 3~4 hits in weaken with Dragonbreath.
(While i'm in full diabolist gear)
On the contrary, it'll take me about 10~15 hits to kill him.
(While he's not using any robes at all)
Here, we have the highest magic attack players on both races and an absolute massive difference in damage output.
I needn't even mention anything else, as the above says it all.
I'm eager to see what the % is after the next Reboot as Ghost did mention that iSylver had it on his radar.[/quote]
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#23 2014/03/10 14:20:54 |
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"YOSHIMITSU""NEOXIAN"i came in last night to war, and in int robes while grey from pk so all could see Lordcoos with a bow can hit and 4th me to about 40% hp. 500 hp, less 60% means he hits me for 135 then 165 with 4th. I hit him for about 40 and 75 respectively with my 4th. this is the difference between my damage and 187's damage who's 90+ It's actually quite funny that Carnage can't 5th+hit you. I'm level 75, 122 STR, almost 500hp (humans have a lot more HP than Devils). Carnage 5th+hitting me occasionally outright kills me, if not leaving me at 10% or less. That shows you right there how unbalanced the % is. Actually feel quite sorry for the high level devils (85+) that cannot drop people in banded armour. Dunno if devils level faster than humans or not, but I've got exactly 500 hours at level 75 (but I level very efficiently).
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="NEOXIAN"]i came in last night to war, and in int robes while grey from pk so all could see Lordcoos with a bow can hit and 4th me to about 40% hp. 500 hp, less 60% means he hits me for 135 then 165 with 4th. I hit him for about 40 and 75 respectively with my 4th. this is the difference between my damage and 187's damage who's 90+
Now, put str armor on, and he hits me for 40% of my hp with a hit and 4th, meaning he's doing around 85 and 120 with his 4th...
but because i now have strength armor on, fujitora with ~240? magic attack less my passive 86 wis (86 defence) means he's hitting me for around 300 hp weakened. this is 60% of my hp in one hit.
there are plenty of other humans with similar or the same int as fuji since it's so easy to train int (faster levelling than dsoma un-arguably)
so basically, in int armor i am royally raped by melee. in strength armor i'm disgustingly raped by int.
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There aren't plenty of humans with the same or similar int as fuji. INT levelling isn't faster then devils levelling, it is maybe on par, probably a little slower. But if we don't do str, we are literally 1 hit by devils. I'm 82 str, 450+hp and with hero helm, boots, top and displacer pads, carnage puts me ~10% hp with a 5th and hit. I'm 91+ int and mages hurt like fuck without robes on, if I turn up in robes that's asking to be totally raped by the many archers that are around. It's a catch 22, exactly the same as your situation with coos and fuji. Your using them as an example but do you know Coos str or Fuji's int? What are your stats in comparison to theirs? What level are you and what level are they? What str/int are they at? I know Coo's has been at BLG for a while now so i'm guessing he's one of the strongest str wise humans there is.
I thought % yesterday was pretty fair considering numbers that turned up, you may have to mash the pot button more then we do but you can also carry a lot more pots then we can. Monster tanked a fair few humans on middle stone last night before warping 15 seconds before the end of war, so it's not all unbalanced as you think.
Just my two cents[/quote]
It's actually quite funny that Carnage can't 5th+hit you. I'm level 75, 122 STR, almost 500hp (humans have a lot more HP than Devils). Carnage 5th+hitting me occasionally outright kills me, if not leaving me at 10% or less. That shows you right there how unbalanced the % is.
Actually feel quite sorry for the high level devils (85+) that cannot drop people in banded armour.
Dunno if devils level faster than humans or not, but I've got exactly 500 hours at level 75 (but I level very efficiently).[/quote]
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#24 2014/03/10 14:28:12 |
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"JARAGOONDOO"Dunno if devils level faster than humans or not, but I've got exactly 500 hours at level 75 (but I level very efficiently). "ISYLVER" 500 hours would get you a level 50-55 human by the looks of it. And considering how much slower each level progressively gets just goes to show how much faster devils level.
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[quote="FUJITORA"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Dunno if devils level faster than humans or not, but I've got exactly 500 hours at level 75 (but I level very efficiently).[/quote]
[quote="ISYLVER"]
struserid hours slevel
Neoxian 443 66
HXW 599 66
Horus 596 66
Now let's look at some level 50 humans
struserid hours slevel
chillz_mk2 562 50
meleneck 542 50
matheson 516 50[/quote]
500 hours would get you a level 50-55 human by the looks of it. And considering how much slower each level progressively gets just goes to show how much faster devils level.[/quote]
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#25 2014/03/10 14:44:21 |
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ARROW |
ugh i fucked up long post
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#26 2014/03/10 15:26:30 |
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JARAGOONDOO |
Like I said, I level very efficiently. Neo is close to 500 hours there and only level 66.
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#27 2014/03/10 15:27:18 |
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FUJITORA |
Hes closer to 400 than 500, efficiently or not, I would guess at 500 hours Neoxian would be around 70.
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#28 2014/03/10 15:42:00 |
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"JARAGOONDOO"Dunno if devils level faster than humans or not, but I've got exactly 500 hours at level 75 (but I level very efficiently). Haven't you leveled only with rested for the last several months? :o As that's really low, even for Dsoma.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Dunno if devils level faster than humans or not, but I've got exactly 500 hours at level 75 (but I level very efficiently).[/quote]
Haven't you leveled only with rested for the last several months? :o
As that's really low, even for Dsoma.[/quote]
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#29 2014/03/10 16:08:43 |
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"S0RCERER""JARAGOONDOO"Dunno if devils level faster than humans or not, but I've got exactly 500 hours at level 75 (but I level very efficiently). Pretty much. Got 90% rested kicking in the tank atm.
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="S0RCERER"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Dunno if devils level faster than humans or not, but I've got exactly 500 hours at level 75 (but I level very efficiently).[/quote]
Haven't you leveled only with rested for the last several months? :o
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Pretty much. Got 90% rested kicking in the tank atm. [/quote]
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#30 2014/03/10 16:24:13 |
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