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"RELINA""CHRONOS"This discussion isn't only about devil soma tho and I think killing a devil moral on dsoma is an actual bug that wasn't intended Humans become Devil Moral when they kill too much, because killing members of their race (the race, in their eyes, being the "good" race) is an evil thing to do, and evil to them = a Devil. Devils are MEANT to become Angel Moral for that same reason, (killing of the same race being "evil") only the opposite is true for them, in so much as evil to them = an Angel, rather than a Devil. Same premise, different wording. It's most definitely an unintentional bug that's rather game-breaking for Devils. There's a PK System and PK Punishment System in place for a reason. Hopefully Finito can see this and fix it for you guys. (As stated - iSylver lowered the Moral Rates as PKing without "much" repercussion was causing an issue. PKing with ZERO repercussion would surely be a much larger problem, as is the case on DSoma?)
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[quote="TYRONE"][quote="RELINA"][quote="CHRONOS"]This discussion isn't only about devil soma tho and I think killing a devil moral on dsoma is an actual bug that wasn't intended [/quote]
There a race of devils, it's in there blood to kill, having all the top devils angel moral just Dosnt seen right[/quote]
Humans become Devil Moral when they kill too much, because killing members of their race (the race, in their eyes, being the "good" race) is an evil thing to do, and evil to them = a Devil.
Devils are MEANT to become Angel Moral for that same reason, (killing of the same race being "evil") only the opposite is true for them, in so much as evil to them = an Angel, rather than a Devil.
Same premise, different wording. It's most definitely an unintentional bug that's rather game-breaking for Devils. There's a PK System and PK Punishment System in place for a reason. Hopefully Finito can see this and fix it for you guys.
(As stated - iSylver lowered the Moral Rates as PKing without "much" repercussion was causing an issue. PKing with ZERO repercussion would surely be a much larger problem, as is the case on DSoma?)[/quote]
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#16 2014/04/26 09:16:38 |
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Here you are again compairing Hsoma to Dsoma, stop. This thread is made by a devil on about devil soma
I think the current system works well, not punished for honorable kills but punished for unhonorable kills (killing lower levels) Moral lose for these unhonorable kills could probly be harsher, but that's it
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[quote="RELINA"]Here you are again compairing Hsoma to Dsoma, stop. This thread is made by a devil on about devil soma
I think the current system works well, not punished for honorable kills but punished for unhonorable kills (killing lower levels)
Moral lose for these unhonorable kills could probly be harsher, but that's it
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#17 2014/04/26 09:27:17 |
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"RELINA"Here you are again compairing Hsoma to Dsoma, stop. It's not a comparison, I was giving you a little history on why both races lose (or are meant to lose) moral, so you could better understand that it's an unintentional BUG and not a meant-to-be-there feature. o.O Also, how do you define "honourable" vs "dishonourable?" If you believe that's a good idea (I'm not actually saying it's not) then you need to define the boundaries of honourable vs dishonourable. Within x levels of the target? Within x stats of the target? Perhaps a feature that enables guilds to assign one another as enemies so they can PK without moral loss, as it would be deemed honourable / warfare? As it stands, the only definition that can be derived from your post is "if they're Devil Moral, it's honourable," despite the fact that you receive that Moral "relatively" early in the grand scheme of things. (I couldn't say an exact level, I'm sure DSoma players would know better than I, but I'm sure there's a massive level-gap between when you first get Devil Moral, and the top-tier players on DSoma. Would that really still be an "honourable" kill, when the skill/strength difference may as well be that of a Lv100 vs a Lv1, as the outcome of either fight would be the same?)
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[quote="TYRONE"][quote="RELINA"]Here you are again compairing Hsoma to Dsoma, stop.
I think the current system works well, not punished for honorable kills but punished for unhonorable kills (killing lower levels)
Moral lose for these unhonorable kills could probly be harsher, but that's it
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It's not a comparison, I was giving you a little history on why both races lose (or are meant to lose) moral, so you could better understand that it's an unintentional BUG and not a meant-to-be-there feature. o.O
Also, how do you define "honourable" vs "dishonourable?" If you believe that's a good idea (I'm not actually saying it's not) then you need to define the boundaries of honourable vs dishonourable. Within x levels of the target? Within x stats of the target? Perhaps a feature that enables guilds to assign one another as enemies so they can PK without moral loss, as it would be deemed honourable / warfare?
As it stands, the only definition that can be derived from your post is "if they're Devil Moral, it's honourable," despite the fact that you receive that Moral "relatively" early in the grand scheme of things. (I couldn't say an exact level, I'm sure DSoma players would know better than I, but I'm sure there's a massive level-gap between when you first get Devil Moral, and the top-tier players on DSoma. Would that really still be an "honourable" kill, when the skill/strength difference may as well be that of a Lv100 vs a Lv1, as the outcome of either fight would be the same?)[/quote]
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#18 2014/04/26 09:32:57 |
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"RELINA"Here you are again compairing Hsoma to Dsoma, stop. This thread is made by a devil on about devil soma I disagree, u shud lose moral for killing any fellow devil regardless of their morale, surely it's a bug !?
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[quote="RAMBO"][quote="RELINA"]Here you are again compairing Hsoma to Dsoma, stop. This thread is made by a devil on about devil soma
I think the current system works well, not punished for honorable kills but punished for unhonorable kills (killing lower levels)
Moral lose for these unhonorable kills could probly be harsher, but that's it
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I disagree, u shud lose moral for killing any fellow devil regardless of their morale, surely it's a bug
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#19 2014/04/26 09:34:12 |
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"ADATH"Or just make it so people actually lose moral for pking as it stands people are pking about 10 people and staying devil moral. This has been fixed for next update. :) Yes, it was a bug. o.o |
#20 2014/04/26 09:36:28 |
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Just ruining Dsoma imo, ppl will end up angel and ain't to bothered, 2nd account gets them round any problems with angel
Just means ppl won't retaliate that like devil moral Whilst where at it why not delete devil soma then there won't be any problems, everyone's the same
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[quote="RELINA"]Just ruining Dsoma imo, ppl will end up angel and ain't to bothered, 2nd account gets them round any problems with angel
Just means ppl won't retaliate that like devil moral
Whilst where at it why not delete devil soma then there won't be any problems, everyone's the same[/quote]
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#21 2014/04/26 09:39:36 |
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MELENECK |
"RELINA"Just ruining Dsoma imo, ppl will end up angel and ain't to bothered, 2nd account gets them round any problems with angel wow butthurt much "waaah u fixed a bug DELETE ALL OF DSOMA!!!1111"
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[quote="MELENECK"][quote="RELINA"]Just ruining Dsoma imo, ppl will end up angel and ain't to bothered, 2nd account gets them round any problems with angel
Just means ppl won't retaliate that like devil moral
Whilst where at it why not delete devil soma then there won't be any problems, everyone's the same[/quote]
wow butthurt much "waaah u fixed a bug DELETE ALL OF DSOMA!!!1111"[/quote]
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#22 2014/04/26 09:44:15 |
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Not so much the fix of a bug if it was, seen as it's been there since launch of Dsoma
It's the fact that Dsoma is becoming to much like Hsoma, next our 100% repair is a bug and that will get changed, we will get Sr like Hsoma Some of us pick Dsoma for the difference to hsoma
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[quote="RELINA"]Not so much the fix of a bug if it was, seen as it's been there since launch of Dsoma
It's the fact that Dsoma is becoming to much like Hsoma, next our 100% repair is a bug and that will get changed, we will get Sr like Hsoma
Some of us pick Dsoma for the difference to hsoma[/quote]
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#23 2014/04/26 09:48:42 |
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ADATH |
Reh this is easy for you to say you arnt being pked. I'm getting pked at shamans (2 hit) and I have devil moral, I havnt pked anyone myself. So do you think this is honorable? I hunt basically naked and with no hp pots I don't abuse anyone or kill anyone. So how is it fair that people can kill me over and over with zero penalty? I can assure you their is nothing honorable about the pking that takes place in soma as people don't kill equal leveled people one on one because it's not possible. This leads to ganging up or noob killing and with no penalty to the attacker. I don't get why you think people being angel moral would ruin it because I can assure you most people wouldn't dare go angel.
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[quote="ADATH"]Reh this is easy for you to say you arnt being pked. I'm getting pked at shamans (2 hit) and I have devil moral, I havnt pked anyone myself. So do you think this is honorable? I hunt basically naked and with no hp pots I don't abuse anyone or kill anyone. So how is it fair that people can kill me over and over with zero penalty? I can assure you their is nothing honorable about the pking that takes place in soma as people don't kill equal leveled people one on one because it's not possible. This leads to ganging up or noob killing and with no penalty to the attacker. I don't get why you think people being angel moral would ruin it because I can assure you most people wouldn't dare go angel.[/quote]
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#24 2014/04/26 09:49:29 |
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PLUM |
The system is fine, the attitudes are causing the issues here. If you get PKed, deal with it, warp or whatever. If that person follows you all day and prevents you from leaving town, that's harassment, report it.
I understand a few people have left soma recently and it is getting blamed on 'constant PKing'. Really, I think there are other real reasons as PKing has and always will happen. The release of many big new games, the inevitable stat slow downs, the feeling of being 'too low to compete'. Lowering moral regain rates only serves to limit the small time one-off pking. It has little effect on someone that wants to be devil/angel. A real damage reducer to the negative effects of pking is encouraging people to take themselves a little less seriously. If you die, you die, so what? Get your face out of the dirt and go somewhere else to level for a while. If you don't want whoever killed you to hunt you down again, refrain from sending them abuse immediately after you die/warp.
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[quote="PLUM"]The system is fine, the attitudes are causing the issues here. If you get PKed, deal with it, warp or whatever. If that person follows you all day and prevents you from leaving town, that's harassment, report it.
I understand a few people have left soma recently and it is getting blamed on 'constant PKing'. Really, I think there are other real reasons as PKing has and always will happen. The release of many big new games, the inevitable stat slow downs, the feeling of being 'too low to compete'.
Lowering moral regain rates only serves to limit the small time one-off pking. It has little effect on someone that wants to be devil/angel.
A real damage reducer to the negative effects of pking is encouraging people to take themselves a little less seriously. If you die, you die, so what? Get your face out of the dirt and go somewhere else to level for a while. If you don't want whoever killed you to hunt you down again, refrain from sending them abuse immediately after you die/warp.[/quote]
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#25 2014/04/26 09:49:45 |
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Not being funny.plum but you clearly have an incredible amount of free time on your hands to.play soma and it's easy for someone in your position (basically unkillable) to shrug off this debate because it dosn't even slightly apply to you. But when I have a limited window of time to play in the evenings after work warping and not hunting means I can't level and enjoy the game. I don't have the luxury of collecting my job seekers once a fortnight being the only thing on my to do list.
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[quote="ADATH"]Not being funny.plum but you clearly have an incredible amount of free time on your hands to.play soma and it's easy for someone in your position (basically unkillable) to shrug off this debate because it dosn't even slightly apply to you. But when I have a limited window of time to play in the evenings after work warping and not hunting means I can't level and enjoy the game. I don't have the luxury of collecting my job seekers once a fortnight being the only thing on my to do list.[/quote]
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#26 2014/04/26 09:55:07 |
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"ADATH"Reh this is easy for you to say you arnt being pked. I'm getting pked at shamans (2 hit) and I have devil moral, I havnt pked anyone myself. So do you think this is honorable? I hunt basically naked and with no hp pots I don't abuse anyone or kill anyone. So how is it fair that people can kill me over and over with zero penalty? I can assure you their is nothing honorable about the pking that takes place in soma as people don't kill equal leveled people one on one because it's not possible. This leads to ganging up or noob killing and with no penalty to the attacker. I don't get why you think people being angel moral would ruin it because I can assure you most people wouldn't dare go angel. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, same was done to them that's now doing it to your guild Your a mage at gs, your inventory is probly full, why revive ?, I tend to carry hp pots everywhere Don't think ppl will care about angel moral, as slayer already stated he's unkillable
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[quote="RELINA"][quote="ADATH"]Reh this is easy for you to say you arnt being pked. I'm getting pked at shamans (2 hit) and I have devil moral, I havnt pked anyone myself. So do you think this is honorable? I hunt basically naked and with no hp pots I don't abuse anyone or kill anyone. So how is it fair that people can kill me over and over with zero penalty? I can assure you their is nothing honorable about the pking that takes place in soma as people don't kill equal leveled people one on one because it's not possible. This leads to ganging up or noob killing and with no penalty to the attacker. I don't get why you think people being angel moral would ruin it because I can assure you most people wouldn't dare go angel.[/quote]
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, same was done to them that's now doing it to your guild
Your a mage at gs, your inventory is probly full, why revive ?, I tend to carry hp pots everywhere
Don't think ppl will care about angel moral, as slayer already stated he's unkillable [/quote]
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#27 2014/04/26 09:59:12 |
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MELENECK |
"RELINA"Not so much the fix of a bug if it was, seen as it's been there since launch of Dsoma "GHOSTLORD" |
#28 2014/04/26 09:59:19 |
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"MELENECK""RELINA"Not so much the fix of a bug if it was, seen as it's been there since launch of Dsoma"GHOSTLORD" Lol have the game developers been asked ? So where only judging what we think
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[quote="RELINA"][quote="MELENECK"][quote="RELINA"]Not so much the fix of a bug if it was, seen as it's been there since launch of Dsoma
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Yes, it was a bug. o.o[/quote][/quote]
Lol have the game developers been asked ? So where only judging what we think[/quote]
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#29 2014/04/26 10:03:09 |
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PLUM |
Heard all the insults before, did you use the search function to regurgitate that one?
By 'unkillable' do you mean that I know when to run, warp, fight, call for help? As I know for certain that anyone can die if they are not prepared. You too could be unkillable for the small price of paying attention.
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[quote="PLUM"]Heard all the insults before, did you use the search function to regurgitate that one?
By 'unkillable' do you mean that I know when to run, warp, fight, call for help? As I know for certain that anyone can die if they are not prepared. You too could be unkillable for the small price of paying attention.[/quote]
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