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LORD_GRIM |
I vaguely remember swifts working without 100 skill when the esoma duping happened at the end. Can anyone confirm they have tried and had a working swift under 100 skill? Save me skilling up to 200 skill if its at 150 rates and all that.
Logic would say because it can go +8 it is a 0 skill but not absolutely certain.
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[quote="LORD_GRIM"]I vaguely remember swifts working without 100 skill when the esoma duping happened at the end. Can anyone confirm they have tried and had a working swift under 100 skill? Save me skilling up to 200 skill if its at 150 rates and all that.
Logic would say because it can go +8 it is a 0 skill but not absolutely certain.[/quote]
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#1 2019/02/26 03:19:31 |
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BRAINSTORM |
Ss isnt dropped only crafted, only items like DT/RDT/TOW you dont need skill
100% need skill not sure how much tho |
#2 2019/02/26 03:57:16 |
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HAWKMOON |
Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill.
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#3 2019/02/26 07:47:45 |
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SAPPER |
100% dont need skill to upgrade using an ss. Like hawkmoon said and you yourself thought. If it goes +8 skill has zero effect on both the ability to upgrade and the success of the upgrade.
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#4 2019/02/26 09:57:05 |
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LORD_GRIM |
Well that takes pressure off lol. A bit of a gimmick though when you think the main benefit of 200 skill is the increased rates for+6 and above yet all upgrades that are crafted stop at +5 where 150 skill is sufficient. From what i understand 0 skill upgrades use 150 skill band rates so having 200 skill wont help there either.
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[quote="LORD_GRIM"]Well that takes pressure off lol. A bit of a gimmick though when you think the main benefit of 200 skill is the increased rates for+6 and above yet all upgrades that are crafted stop at +5 where 150 skill is sufficient. From what i understand 0 skill upgrades use 150 skill band rates so having 200 skill wont help there either. [/quote]
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#5 2019/02/26 10:19:46 |
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BRAINSTORM |
"HAWKMOON"Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill. was pretty sure you need skill for SS ? |
#6 2019/02/27 01:42:46 |
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DEAMOND |
"HAWKMOON"Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill. That doesn't make sense, to add toes you need skill? I myself always thought you needed skill for SS because it is crafted and all crafted materials i.e KE, Toe etc require skill to upgrade.
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[quote="DEAMOND"][quote="HAWKMOON"]Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill. [/quote]
That doesn't make sense, to add toes you need skill?
I myself always thought you needed skill for SS because it is crafted and all crafted materials i.e KE, Toe etc require skill to upgrade.[/quote]
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#7 2019/02/27 09:36:29 |
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HAWKMOON |
"DEAMOND""HAWKMOON"Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill. Toes only go to +5
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[quote="HAWKMOON"][quote="DEAMOND"][quote="HAWKMOON"]Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill. [/quote]
That doesn't make sense, to add toes you need skill?
I myself always thought you needed skill for SS because it is crafted and all crafted materials i.e KE, Toe etc require skill to upgrade.[/quote]
Toes only go to +5[/quote]
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#8 2019/02/27 10:12:07 |
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HAWKMOON |
"BRAINSTORM""HAWKMOON"Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill. I was too, until I tested |
#9 2019/02/27 10:13:55 |
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DEAMOND |
"HAWKMOON""DEAMOND""HAWKMOON"Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill. So your saying from +5 to +8 you don't need skill to put SS on :O? i must test this later
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[quote="DEAMOND"][quote="HAWKMOON"][quote="DEAMOND"][quote="HAWKMOON"]Any item that goes to +8 doesn't require skill. [/quote]
That doesn't make sense, to add toes you need skill?
I myself always thought you needed skill for SS because it is crafted and all crafted materials i.e KE, Toe etc require skill to upgrade.[/quote]
Toes only go to +5[/quote]
So your saying from +5 to +8 you don't need skill to put SS on :O? i must test this later[/quote]
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#10 2019/02/27 10:50:25 |
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TYRESE |
It’s 100% correct SS is 0 skill.
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#11 2019/02/27 11:01:53 |
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LUPISCUS |
So u could add 8 x ss's with 0 craft skill!
this upgrading needs an overhaul ! |
#12 2019/02/27 11:49:09 |
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DEAMOND |
"LUPISCUS"So u could add 8 x ss's with 0 craft skill! That's pretty shit (The fact that once you have a wep past +5 it doesn't matter if you grinded for thousands of hours getting 200 skill that this has no effect on your % chance of success. I assume if it requires 0 Skill it is using the same system as tabs RDT/DT for example based of 150 skill ? To be honest that kinda makes sense to why people say its harder to get a wep to +5 than it is to get +8 (Which i suppose just shows by how many people already have +8 nega weps) Either way needs changing imo
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[quote="DEAMOND"][quote="LUPISCUS"]So u could add 8 x ss's with 0 craft skill!
this upgrading needs an overhaul ![/quote]
That's pretty shit (The fact that once you have a wep past +5 it doesn't matter if you grinded for thousands of hours getting 200 skill that this has no effect on your % chance of success.
I assume if it requires 0 Skill it is using the same system as tabs RDT/DT for example based of 150 skill ?
To be honest that kinda makes sense to why people say its harder to get a wep to +5 than it is to get +8 (Which i suppose just shows by how many people already have +8 nega weps)
Either way needs changing imo[/quote]
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#13 2019/02/27 12:02:16 |
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MANTICORE |
no it doesnt mean it needs to change stop whining for once it always been like that cause originally there was multiple ways to get Swift Spirits thru abyss mobs and a long quest but people have sort memory i guess.
Also because it doesnt require skill it doesnt mean it will be a sucess it can fail u know
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[quote="MANTICORE"]no it doesnt mean it needs to change stop whining for once it always been like that cause originally there was multiple ways to get Swift Spirits thru abyss mobs and a long quest but people have sort memory i guess.
Also because it doesnt require skill it doesnt mean it will be a sucess it can fail u know[/quote]
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#14 2019/02/27 12:10:06 |
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DEAMOND |
"MANTICORE"no it doesnt mean it needs to change stop whining for once it always been like that cause originally there was multiple ways to get Swift Spirits thru abyss mobs and a long quest but people have sort memory i guess. Not everyone played esoma until the very end, I for one never saw the abyss. Surely you agree that it is a bit shit to grind to 200 skill, Just to have a better success rate ONLY up until +5 ? I suppose that settles the argument that 200 skill isn't really worth the negligible % increase from 150 to 200... interesting to know, won't bother with 200 in that case
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[quote="DEAMOND"][quote="MANTICORE"]no it doesnt mean it needs to change stop whining for once it always been like that cause originally there was multiple ways to get Swift Spirits thru abyss mobs and a long quest but people have sort memory i guess.
Also because it doesnt require skill it doesnt mean it will be a sucess it can fail u know[/quote]
Not everyone played esoma until the very end, I for one never saw the abyss.
Surely you agree that it is a bit shit to grind to 200 skill, Just to have a better success rate ONLY up until +5 ?
I suppose that settles the argument that 200 skill isn't really worth the negligible % increase from 150 to 200...
interesting to know, won't bother with 200 in that case[/quote]
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#15 2019/02/27 12:14:08 |
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