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Remove Range 3 Stone From Mags (D Soma)

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It's a love/hate relationship here you know ;) always keeping us in the dark x x
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[quote="KAZOKU"]It's a love/hate relationship here you know ;) always keeping us in the dark x x[/quote]
Change is:

Mags removed from game, you now have to fight ISylver for drops.

If he's killed you get a full warehouse of drops

but if looks like theres two now...

https://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/Monster.asp?id=4280

https://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/Monster.asp?id=4309
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[quote="RAZOR"]Change is: Mags removed from game, you now have to fight ISylver for drops. If he's killed you get a full warehouse of drops but if looks like theres two now... https://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/Monster.asp?id=4280 https://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/Monster.asp?id=4309[/quote]
elder mags?! n1 Isylv x
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[quote="LUPISCUS"]elder mags?! n1 Isylv x[/quote]
I would say moving all to range 1 may kill off any mages that currently hunt mags - now it will be significantly easier for melee but much much more difficult for mages to hunt. Haven't tried but it sounds like that's the change which I think is a little hasty considering the balance between mage & melee already is tipped in melee's favour.
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[quote="PERISH"]I would say moving all to range 1 may kill off any mages that currently hunt mags - now it will be significantly easier for melee but much much more difficult for mages to hunt. Haven't tried but it sounds like that's the change which I think is a little hasty considering the balance between mage & melee already is tipped in melee's favour.[/quote]
Isn't it just the stone that's range1?
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[quote="SABREWOLF"]Isn't it just the stone that's range1?[/quote]
"PERISH"I would say moving all to range 1 may kill off any mages that currently hunt mags - now it will be significantly easier for melee but much much more difficult for mages to hunt. Haven't tried but it sounds like that's the change which I think is a little hasty considering the balance between mage & melee already is tipped in melee's favour.


Not sure why u think this. Mags..human 1s at least are easier for mages.They can use aoe's..kill several at a time..and with hi int, take little damage. Mele characters use bow to kill them, 1 at a time. Range 1 for stone will benefit mele no more than it will for mages..win win for all. No bias for any class.
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="PERISH"]I would say moving all to range 1 may kill off any mages that currently hunt mags - now it will be significantly easier for melee but much much more difficult for mages to hunt. Haven't tried but it sounds like that's the change which I think is a little hasty considering the balance between mage & melee already is tipped in melee's favour.[/quote] Not sure why u think this. Mags..human 1s at least are easier for mages.They can use aoe's..kill several at a time..and with hi int, take little damage. Mele characters use bow to kill them, 1 at a time. Range 1 for stone will benefit mele no more than it will for mages..win win for all. No bias for any class. [/quote]
iSylver,

Thank you for the modifications to the Magmas and whelps and obviously also for the Elder Magmas.

Would you be good enough to consider a further modification?

The Range 1 magic attack discriminates for knuckle users (probably sword too) whose characters focused more on dexterity during their development. Would it be possible to have the magic attack at Range 2-5 and melee attack at Range 1 to bring balance to the different character builds please?

Melee Characters will still suffer Magic Attacks during the run up to the Magma and also from other close by Magmas so they do not escape the fiery wrath.

I did run a comparison with other mobs (using knuckle) a while ago (posted in the Advisor Hall) and you can see from the table below that there is a huge gulf between Magmas and all other mobs.

It would be really appreciated.

8)

Jac



14mins 30secs 100kills x Leiver Beasts (0 HP Pots)
26mins 40secs 100kills x Elite Lizardmen (0 HP Pots)
16mins 40secs 100kills x Drazil (0 HP Pots)
13mins 50secs 100kills x Beast Lord Guardians (0 HP Pots)
16mins 30secs 100kills x Enraged Boars (0 HP Pots)
28mins 20secs 100kills x Hellish Trolls (0 HP Pots)

2hrs 10mins 100kills x Magma Beast (330 HP Pots
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[quote="PROWLER"]iSylver, Thank you for the modifications to the Magmas and whelps and obviously also for the Elder Magmas. Would you be good enough to consider a further modification? The Range 1 magic attack discriminates for knuckle users (probably sword too) whose characters focused more on dexterity during their development. Would it be possible to have the magic attack at Range 2-5 and melee attack at Range 1 to bring balance to the different character builds please? Melee Characters will still suffer Magic Attacks during the run up to the Magma and also from other close by Magmas so they do not escape the fiery wrath. I did run a comparison with other mobs (using knuckle) a while ago (posted in the Advisor Hall) and you can see from the table below that there is a huge gulf between Magmas and all other mobs. It would be really appreciated. 8) Jac 14mins 30secs 100kills x Leiver Beasts (0 HP Pots) 26mins 40secs 100kills x Elite Lizardmen (0 HP Pots) 16mins 40secs 100kills x Drazil (0 HP Pots) 13mins 50secs 100kills x Beast Lord Guardians (0 HP Pots) 16mins 30secs 100kills x Enraged Boars (0 HP Pots) 28mins 20secs 100kills x Hellish Trolls (0 HP Pots) [b]2hrs 10mins 100kills x Magma Beast (330 HP Pots[/b] [/quote]
Bit confused here - the mags will now walk up to you to be in one range of you. Meaning everyone gets hit the same amount?

For clarity though it all needs to be the same range. Cant individually change them.
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[quote="ISYLVER"]Bit confused here - the mags will now walk up to you to be in one range of you. Meaning everyone gets hit the same amount? For clarity though it all needs to be the same range. Cant individually change them. [/quote]
"ISYLVER"Bit confused here - the mags will now walk up to you to be in one range of you. Meaning everyone gets hit the same amount?

For clarity though it all needs to be the same range. Cant individually change them.


I think the concern for mages is that they will have their spells interrupted and will be unable to cast.
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[quote="SAPPER"][quote="ISYLVER"]Bit confused here - the mags will now walk up to you to be in one range of you. Meaning everyone gets hit the same amount? For clarity though it all needs to be the same range. Cant individually change them. [/quote] I think the concern for mages is that they will have their spells interrupted and will be unable to cast. [/quote]
Make it so mages can't be interupted by mobs ;]
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[quote="ZYZZ"]Make it so mages can't be interupted by mobs ;][/quote]
they meant for you to change the aura's range soit would only cast it at range 1. now mages will have a harder time hunting mags
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[quote="FRINGE"]they meant for you to change the aura's range soit would only cast it at range 1. now mages will have a harder time hunting mags[/quote]
I think what dan is saying is that for it to be range one stone, all of the casting needs to be range one?
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[quote="TSENG"]I think what dan is saying is that for it to be range one stone, all of the casting needs to be range one?[/quote]
Then the solution is to give mags a magic only attack
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[quote="ISYLVER"]Then the solution is to give mags a magic only attack[/quote]
Seems like it Dan, the range one makes mag hunting on a mage redundant
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[quote="TSENG"]Seems like it Dan, the range one makes mag hunting on a mage redundant [/quote]
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"PERISH"I would say moving all to range 1 may kill off any mages that currently hunt mags - now it will be significantly easier for melee but much much more difficult for mages to hunt. Haven't tried but it sounds like that's the change which I think is a little hasty considering the balance between mage & melee already is tipped in melee's favour.


Not sure why u think this. Mags..human 1s at least are easier for mages.They can use aoe's..kill several at a time..and with hi int, take little damage. Mele characters use bow to kill them, 1 at a time. Range 1 for stone will benefit mele no more than it will for mages..win win for all. No bias for any class.


It's not just stone range 1, it's everything. So mags will interrupt mages constantly making them impossible to hunt productively whereas melee would benefit significantly from the change.

I don't think the solution is giving mags a magic attack only either as that will be a bit hit to melee chars being able to hunt. I get the reasoning for changing the stone to range 1 but it looks like that's not possible without other, more significant, compromises in terms of huntability. You could always just remove stone from mags and keep on elder mags - again, get why this might not be a great option either as it makes mags a lot easier to hunt.
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[quote="PERISH"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="PERISH"]I would say moving all to range 1 may kill off any mages that currently hunt mags - now it will be significantly easier for melee but much much more difficult for mages to hunt. Haven't tried but it sounds like that's the change which I think is a little hasty considering the balance between mage & melee already is tipped in melee's favour.[/quote] Not sure why u think this. Mags..human 1s at least are easier for mages.They can use aoe's..kill several at a time..and with hi int, take little damage. Mele characters use bow to kill them, 1 at a time. Range 1 for stone will benefit mele no more than it will for mages..win win for all. No bias for any class. [/quote] It's not just stone range 1, it's everything. So mags will interrupt mages constantly making them impossible to hunt productively whereas melee would benefit significantly from the change. I don't think the solution is giving mags a magic attack only either as that will be a bit hit to melee chars being able to hunt. I get the reasoning for changing the stone to range 1 but it looks like that's not possible without other, more significant, compromises in terms of huntability. You could always just remove stone from mags and keep on elder mags - again, get why this might not be a great option either as it makes mags a lot easier to hunt.[/quote]

 

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