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"TYPHIN""YAGUDO"When a pot is activated during that duration drops / stats should be "X" % slower so players that play the game for what it is can continue as normal and take the risks that Soma is about or give people not using these pots 1.5 - 2 rates!! +1 it isnt even a valid argument.
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[quote="FOXTRCK"][quote="TYPHIN"][quote="YAGUDO"]When a pot is activated during that duration drops / stats should be "X" % slower so players that play the game for what it is can continue as normal and take the risks that Soma is about or give people not using these pots 1.5 - 2 rates!!
PK is nothing like before and there was PVE players back then..
Just dont get if you claim to be PVE why would 2 deaths hurt?
Cant give PVE everything and nothing to the players that dont mind a scrap or PKers that play this game...
Hate to say it but it is pretty care-bear more that is given to PVE players will cry for more care-bear support which is clearly happening now.
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[b]Make these pots available for donations only!!! £5 = 5 Pots then most of my post is invalid. [/b]
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#46 2020/09/17 16:19:53 |
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I log on soma to get away from the sh*t in my own life , I don't log on to have someone run up to me, kill me twice within seconds, laugh then say "mald" (I don't even know what that means btw) or some sh*te if you say anything back, and saying something back generally results in you being on their radar from then on and anyone else who is associated
I've had so many messages asking who I am or if i'm X or what "side" i'm on or this that the other it's pathetic. I'm on no "side", I have one character and have just started a second and I try to get on with everyone, but certain people make it very difficult. I have never pk'd(well that's a lie me and spooney hit each other a bit once chatting away as a laugh before you guys go searching history), I will never pk nor take part in any rivalry, I think the rivalry is good for you guys but why not keep it to you guys and just grow up, stop bickering in world chat It just seems whenever you have a fight you just argue in world chat like 10 year olds (this happens daily and I have to just turn world chat off as it makes me want to log off, I don't need more pathetic crap to read) and whoever comes off worst in whatever fight you all have, you go round smashing other people who aren't interested just to make yourself feel better, why should that be at my expense? I understand a lot of guys here purely just want to fight/pvp, but that does not mean the guys who do not want to do that should suffer or be handicapped like some suggestions (as above), just fight the guys who want to fight, stop acting like 10 years olds in chat it's embarrassing. If I could pay to have immunity I would, pvp serves 0 interest to me, you pvp players will never understand, just like us pve players would never understand why you enjoy it, but you shouldn't ruin it for the guys that don't want to participate just because you "don't get it" It's just a really crappy feeling spending hours leveling a character having fun thinking you're not doing bad for stats / gear for someone to run up kill you twice and laugh, afraid if you say anything then everyone they talk to will start hunting you down. It's a game, it's meant to be fun for everyone which means it's meant to be enjoyed, by pve and pvp players. If you pvp guys want to fight then do so, but you don't have to ruin it for people who don't want to. I imagine I will get a load more crap ingame for this post and quite frankly if I do i'll just leave Soma and your community can just be 1 less, i'm not the first person to leave due to this and I won't be the last. I assume there will also be a lot of "cya then" which just shows the mentality of the player base here Sad times when i've had to write this out twice debating posting because you know the playerbase will react and target you
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[quote="TORMUNDD"]I log on soma to get away from the sh*t in my own life , I don't log on to have someone run up to me, kill me twice within seconds, laugh then say "mald" (I don't even know what that means btw) or some sh*te if you say anything back, and saying something back generally results in you being on their radar from then on and anyone else who is associated
I've had so many messages asking who I am or if i'm X or what "side" i'm on or this that the other it's pathetic. I'm on no "side", I have one character and have just started a second and I try to get on with everyone, but certain people make it very difficult. I have never pk'd(well that's a lie me and spooney hit each other a bit once chatting away as a laugh before you guys go searching history), I will never pk nor take part in any rivalry, I think the rivalry is good for you guys but why not keep it to you guys and just grow up, stop bickering in world chat
It just seems whenever you have a fight you just argue in world chat like 10 year olds (this happens daily and I have to just turn world chat off as it makes me want to log off, I don't need more pathetic crap to read) and whoever comes off worst in whatever fight you all have, you go round smashing other people who aren't interested just to make yourself feel better, why should that be at my expense?
I understand a lot of guys here purely just want to fight/pvp, but that does not mean the guys who do not want to do that should suffer or be handicapped like some suggestions (as above), just fight the guys who want to fight, stop acting like 10 years olds in chat it's embarrassing.
If I could pay to have immunity I would, pvp serves 0 interest to me, you pvp players will never understand, just like us pve players would never understand why you enjoy it, but you shouldn't ruin it for the guys that don't want to participate just because you "don't get it"
It's just a really crappy feeling spending hours leveling a character having fun thinking you're not doing bad for stats / gear for someone to run up kill you twice and laugh, afraid if you say anything then everyone they talk to will start hunting you down.
It's a game, it's meant to be fun for everyone which means it's meant to be enjoyed, by pve and pvp players. If you pvp guys want to fight then do so, but you don't have to ruin it for people who don't want to.
I imagine I will get a load more crap ingame for this post and quite frankly if I do i'll just leave Soma and your community can just be 1 less, i'm not the first person to leave due to this and I won't be the last. I assume there will also be a lot of "cya then" which just shows the mentality of the player base here
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#47 2020/09/17 16:22:26 |
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This thread from start to now is people that want to PVP vs PVE and obviously the PVE are going to not like what is said against them and the thing is the amount of "PVP" players lost on each side of the fight is far greater than "PVE" players which "PVE" players will never choose to see.
PVP players are the guys that have contributed to the game with videos as a example that bring people to this game... I've never seen a video of a day hunting bar when Matty was doing his PODs at Mags and even that everyone found boring after a while so what content will PVE bring to bring in new PVE players? Shit talk or not behind PMs you do not have a clue know how many of us actually talk to each other and you would be surprised!! Again my post may not seem valid to PVE players but if you want free hunting then something should be given to the server for this service that you are getting and daily's for pots is not giving to the server. Devula tried at start a PVP POV... I've tried now again... This thread seems a little pointless really and better then having a discussion just put it in game or have a anonymous poll to put in game or not. Either way it does not affect me but i really think it should be in donation store for this luxury that the game was never designed to offer.
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[quote="YAGUDO"]This thread from start to now is people that want to PVP vs PVE and obviously the PVE are going to not like what is said against them and the thing is the amount of "PVP" players lost on each side of the fight is far greater than "PVE" players which "PVE" players will never choose to see.
PVP players are the guys that have contributed to the game with videos as a example that bring people to this game... I've never seen a video of a day hunting bar when Matty was doing his PODs at Mags and even that everyone found boring after a while so what content will PVE bring to bring in new PVE players?
Shit talk or not behind PMs you do not have a clue know how many of us actually talk to each other and you would be surprised!!
Again my post may not seem valid to PVE players but if you want free hunting then something should be given to the server for this service that you are getting and daily's for pots is not giving to the server.
Devula tried at start a PVP POV... I've tried now again... This thread seems a little pointless really and better then having a discussion just put it in game or have a anonymous poll to put in game or not.
Either way it does not affect me but i really think it should be in donation store for this luxury that the game was never designed to offer.
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#48 2020/09/17 16:43:22 |
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"YAGUDO"This thread from start to now is people that want to PVP vs PVE and obviously the PVE are going to not like what is said against them and the thing is the amount of "PVP" players lost on each side of the fight is far greater than "PVE" players which "PVE" players will never choose to see. You havnt, and i mean this, got a clue. The game wasnt meant to have a lot of things but you have them, most of them PVP orientated because its easy to add. It just so happens this one doesn't suit you and a few people. Time to stick your pvp to the people that are actually open to it, by choice. Rather than those that so far don't get one. As for deserving or contributing. Fuck off. Many people do and it doesnt have ti be loud and proud to be positive. Look at Jhon.
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[quote="FOXTRCK"][quote="YAGUDO"]This thread from start to now is people that want to PVP vs PVE and obviously the PVE are going to not like what is said against them and the thing is the amount of "PVP" players lost on each side of the fight is far greater than "PVE" players which "PVE" players will never choose to see.
PVP players are the guys that have contributed to the game with videos as a example that bring people to this game... I've never seen a video of a day hunting bar when Matty was doing his PODs at Mags and even that everyone found boring after a while so what content will PVE bring to bring in new PVE players?
Shit talk or not behind PMs you do not have a clue know how many of us actually talk to each other and you would be surprised!!
Again my post may not seem valid to PVE players but if you want free hunting then something should be given to the server for this service that you are getting and daily's for pots is not giving to the server.
Devula tried at start a PVP POV... I've tried now again... This thread seems a little pointless really and better then having a discussion just put it in game or have a anonymous poll to put in game or not.
Either way it does not affect me but i really think it should be in donation store for this luxury that the game was never designed to offer.
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You havnt, and i mean this, got a clue. The game wasnt meant to have a lot of things but you have them, most of them PVP orientated because its easy to add. It just so happens this one doesn't suit you and a few people. Time to stick your pvp to the people that are actually open to it, by choice. Rather than those that so far don't get one.
As for deserving or contributing. Fuck off. Many people do and it doesnt have ti be loud and proud to be positive. Look at Jhon.[/quote]
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#49 2020/09/17 16:53:58 |
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Foxtrck your views are very PVE based which is fine however the bigger picture is someone that potentially could run to "be given more powers" your views are very biased and not neutral... which is a massive concern looking at the bigger picture.
Look at Ravens posts in this thread and you will understand what i mean having a neutral POV... But i have no clue and Im outta this thread as this is not a discussion bar get jumped on by PVE players.
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[quote="YAGUDO"]Foxtrck your views are very PVE based which is fine however the bigger picture is someone that potentially could run to "be given more powers" your views are very biased and not neutral... which is a massive concern looking at the bigger picture.
Look at Ravens posts in this thread and you will understand what i mean having a neutral POV...
But i have no clue and Im outta this thread as this is not a discussion bar get jumped on by PVE players.
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#50 2020/09/17 16:57:27 |
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"YAGUDO"Foxtrck your views are very PVE based which is fine however the bigger picture is someone that potentially could run to "be given more powers" your views are very biased and not neutral... which is a massive concern as a bigger picture. Haha. We're talking about a community that allows all types of player. Taking 2 deaths doesn't encourage that,
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[quote="FOXTRCK"][quote="YAGUDO"]Foxtrck your views are very PVE based which is fine however the bigger picture is someone that potentially could run to "be given more powers" your views are very biased and not neutral... which is a massive concern as a bigger picture.
Look at Ravens posts in this thread and you will understand what i mean having a neutral POV...
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Haha. We're talking about a community that allows all types of player. Taking 2 deaths doesn't encourage that,
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#51 2020/09/17 16:58:53 |
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It certainly is...
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#52 2020/09/17 16:59:45 |
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And if i open my heart to you and show you my weak side what would you? musical interlude courtesy of PF #thefinalcut x I got a little black book with mi poems in #Nobody home x |
#53 2020/09/17 17:01:51 |
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"YAGUDO"It certainly is... You're the one that's against an idea to let people play the game in peace,even just for a little while, you forget what the game was like in Esoma or wasn't there. It happened but it was in moderation, this version of Soma doesnt lend itself to PK in moderation, even the cooldown because the moral system was just forgotten about and instead we made devil moral a joke - i'm not even sure if they drop items on death but they should. Im sure those who are genuine PvE (me included) really wouldnt care as much if it was more like Esoma in that respect, than a couple of loud mouth pricks that may get you every 30 mins/hour and face no risk/consequence in relative terms. I'll go as far as to say those who are genuine PVPers would agree there should be more risk and more reward even death drops being brought back (something I'd agree with in my little PvE world) but PK needs to be made like how it was and likewise, PvP pushed in a healthier direction, rankings, leagues for teams, yadda yadda so that a few of you can go rub your nuts elsewhere. Otherwise, immunity pots is a "ok" solution but a band aid to something that was orignally pretty simple.
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[quote="FOXTRCK"][quote="YAGUDO"]It certainly is...
Even as PVP players the option is to take the 2 deaths... [/quote]
You're the one that's against an idea to let people play the game in peace,even just for a little while, you forget what the game was like in Esoma or wasn't there. It happened but it was in moderation, this version of Soma doesnt lend itself to PK in moderation, even the cooldown because the moral system was just forgotten about and instead we made devil moral a joke - i'm not even sure if they drop items on death but they should.
Im sure those who are genuine PvE (me included) really wouldnt care as much if it was more like Esoma in that respect, than a couple of loud mouth pricks that may get you every 30 mins/hour and face no risk/consequence in relative terms.
I'll go as far as to say those who are genuine PVPers would agree there should be more risk and more reward even death drops being brought back (something I'd agree with in my little PvE world) but PK needs to be made like how it was and likewise, PvP pushed in a healthier direction, rankings, leagues for teams, yadda yadda so that a few of you can go rub your nuts elsewhere.
Otherwise, immunity pots is a "ok" solution but a band aid to something that was orignally pretty simple.[/quote]
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#54 2020/09/17 17:03:44 |
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Please everyone take a step back and calm down this is a discussion and it’s great to see the views from both sides the pvp and pve and BOTH sides views are needed to find a middle ground where both types of players can relax, enjoy and have fun on this great game we all love.
2 valid points from this thread so far is that the pvp players doesn’t really get the pve player and the pve players don’t get the pvp player. There are plenty of ideas on how both sides can coexist and enjoy Soma from.... Adding immunity potions, an immunity scroll, having certain maps pk on and others pk off. Maybe the pk maps could have increased drop rates just for the risk of hunting on these maps? I do feel as a pve player that the pvp have been forgotten at times, maybe you pvp players can come up with ideas to engage more pvp events etc a monthly league or quarterly league resetting every monthly/quarterly etc Top ten warriors, mages being awarded items or valour etc or unique items? We need to live together or at least get along both pve and pvp players for the interest of Soma and for our GM’s who without them we wouldn’t have Soma.
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[quote="RAVENSOUL"]Please everyone take a step back and calm down this is a discussion and it’s great to see the views from both sides the pvp and pve and BOTH sides views are needed to find a middle ground where both types of players can relax, enjoy and have fun on this great game we all love.
2 valid points from this thread so far is that the pvp players doesn’t really get the pve player and the pve players don’t get the pvp player.
There are plenty of ideas on how both sides can coexist and enjoy Soma from....
Adding immunity potions, an immunity scroll, having certain maps pk on and others pk off. Maybe the pk maps could have increased drop rates just for the risk of hunting on these maps?
I do feel as a pve player that the pvp have been forgotten at times, maybe you pvp players can come up with ideas to engage more pvp events etc a monthly league or quarterly league resetting every monthly/quarterly etc
Top ten warriors, mages being awarded items or valour etc or unique items?
We need to live together or at least get along both pve and pvp players for the interest of Soma and for our GM’s who without them we wouldn’t have Soma.[/quote]
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#55 2020/09/17 18:14:12 |
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@Raven .. ur diplomacy is applauded....
Just let pvp guilds and players kick the poo out of themselves all day.. They say that's '' what soma is all about'' .. if that's their pleasure .. let them go for it... there's plenty of them . so should have np keeping themselves occupied. The other , probably bigger % of the server.. let them have the immunity.. level up , get their gear and progress as they like in peace.. and if they feel the urge .. they can join these pvp guilds or make their own. Seems so simple.... boost the usercount with new levels inc... all is/ could be good x
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[quote="LUPISCUS"]@Raven .. ur diplomacy is applauded....
Just let pvp guilds and players kick the poo out of themselves all day.. They say that's '' what soma is all about'' .. if that's their pleasure .. let them go for it... there's plenty of them . so should have np keeping themselves occupied.
The other , probably bigger % of the server.. let them have the immunity.. level up , get their gear and progress as they like in peace.. and if they feel the urge .. they can join these pvp guilds or make their own.
Seems so simple.... boost the usercount with new levels inc... all is/ could be good x
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#56 2020/09/17 18:25:01 |
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The trouble is that both sides of the user count make it impossible for our GM’s they are put into a corner at times....
If the GM’s actions sway towards the pve player side the pvp player base goes down... If the GM’s actions sway towards the pvp player side the pve player base goes down... Like I said previously both sides need to come together and find ideas, suggestions that help both for the best interest of Soma.
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[quote="RAVENSOUL"]The trouble is that both sides of the user count make it impossible for our GM’s they are put into a corner at times....
If the GM’s actions sway towards the pve player side the pvp player base goes down...
If the GM’s actions sway towards the pvp player side the pve player base goes down...
Like I said previously both sides need to come together and find ideas, suggestions that help both for the best interest of Soma.
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#57 2020/09/17 18:39:10 |
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#58 2020/09/17 18:41:27 |
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After thinking about it for a while..
2 x 1 hour pots per daily or 1 x 1 hour pot or 1 x 2 hour pot doesn’t seem bad to try. However 1) remove 2 deaths = immunity. These pots should replace not be in addition to current immunity 2) can only use if virtuous or angel moral 3) while immunity is active character unable to participate in pvp 4) close PK gap to +/- 10 levels 5) the duration of the immunity should tick down even if character is logged out
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[quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]After thinking about it for a while..
2 x 1 hour pots per daily or 1 x 1 hour pot or 1 x 2 hour pot doesn’t seem bad to try. However
1) remove 2 deaths = immunity. These pots should replace not be in addition to current immunity
2) can only use if virtuous or angel moral
3) while immunity is active character unable to participate in pvp
4) close PK gap to +/- 10 levels
5) the duration of the immunity should tick down even if character is logged out [/quote]
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#59 2020/09/17 20:45:04 |
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"OPENTHEDOOR"After thinking about it for a while.. This would just restrict the pve player to 1 or 2 hours of game time per day if these potions are from daily’s 5) would be harsh on anyone that if say they lose there connection for whatever reason or maybe there’s a real life emergency they need to attend to just after using a potion. I think a fairer solution would be time only runs down while ever the player is online and out of town hunting? 4) agree 3) agree 2) Angel moral - make the moral worth it? 1) I think this still needs to stay for those that maybe don’t do daily’s or if it becomes a donation item unable to purchase after all its only 2 deaths isn’t it so they can hunt in peace for an hour, I’m sure you bloodthirsty killers can continue to watch your clocks ticking down to hunt them down again on the hour.
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[quote="RAVENSOUL"][quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]After thinking about it for a while..
2 x 1 hour pots per daily or 1 x 1 hour pot or 1 x 2 hour pot doesn’t seem bad to try. However
1) remove 2 deaths = immunity. These pots should replace not be in addition to current immunity
2) can only use if virtuous or angel moral
3) while immunity is active character unable to participate in pvp
4) close PK gap to +/- 10 levels
5) the duration of the immunity should tick down even if character is logged out [/quote]
This would just restrict the pve player to 1 or 2 hours of game time per day if these potions are from daily’s
5) would be harsh on anyone that if say they lose there connection for whatever reason or maybe there’s a real life emergency they need to attend to just after using a potion. I think a fairer solution would be time only runs down while ever the player is online and out of town hunting?
4) agree
3) agree
2) Angel moral - make the moral worth it?
1) I think this still needs to stay for those that maybe don’t do daily’s or if it becomes a donation item unable to purchase after all its only 2 deaths isn’t it so they can hunt in peace for an hour, I’m sure you bloodthirsty killers can continue to watch your clocks ticking down to hunt them down again on the hour.
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