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TUMBLEWEED |
It’s a PVP game.
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#16 2022/05/08 09:17:39 |
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"3D"If pvp is the largest part of this game why is it almost always 4 or 5 people fighting? Why is it the same handful of people in the pk feed all the time? It's been that way for years too. Of course the youtube clips are of pvp, who's recording themselves clicking on a mob and uploading it? The PvP in this game is unique and alot of us enjoy and return because of it... what you said about having other games to play for PvP can be said for PVE... lost ark is one recent example. It's not the same 4-5 pvping lol.. its obviously a low amount but thats only because the user count is low There are wars / PvP in hsoma and dsoma between Koreans (who are now divided into 2 groups/sides) Chinese who are currently all backing one side and English (who have always been divided into 2 groups/sides). I have been trying to see it from both PoV when talking to you but for you to say its the same people PvPing is silly.
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[quote="FOR5"][quote="3D"]If pvp is the largest part of this game why is it almost always 4 or 5 people fighting? Why is it the same handful of people in the pk feed all the time? It's been that way for years too. Of course the youtube clips are of pvp, who's recording themselves clicking on a mob and uploading it?
Obviously the UC is low because it's an old, infrequently updated game. I would also suggest it's lower in the last year or two because so many updates that did come out were focused on the pvp side. Be it balance tweaks or the changes to immunity certain people demanded and then left anyway.
I do find it amusing you saying that people who want the pvp to end or want immunity are the botters - the only reason to bot is to get stuff to aid in pvp, you even said yourself that you have to work hard in pve to be involved in pvp. I would honestly be shocked if more than one or two of the bot chars are ultimately controlled by pve players, unless they're looking to sell stuff to the pvp people for a few extra pennies.
I'm not going to turn this into a pointless back and forth, I'll simply end by saying I just don't see pvp as, now or ever, being the *majority* of players. The numbers and the feed just don't equate to that, not even close to it. I don't really care about it being in the game - I have much better games to pvp on and I'll never see the appeal of it in soma. Obviously some people enjoy it and that's fine, but pushing updates to focus purely on pvp would only result in the same dozen or so people shouting the same witty stuff at each other for a few more years - as has been happening with all the pvp balance and immunity changes.
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The PvP in this game is unique and alot of us enjoy and return because of it... what you said about having other games to play for PvP can be said for PVE... lost ark is one recent example.
It's not the same 4-5 pvping lol.. its obviously a low amount but thats only because the user count is low
There are wars / PvP in hsoma and dsoma between Koreans (who are now divided into 2 groups/sides) Chinese who are currently all backing one side and English (who have always been divided into 2 groups/sides).
I have been trying to see it from both PoV when talking to you but for you to say its the same people PvPing is silly.[/quote]
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#17 2022/05/08 09:34:55 |
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MIKELOWREY |
It was always a PVP game in my book.
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#18 2022/05/08 10:09:44 |
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ZUZU |
My view is that its an end game pvp set up, where you pve to improve your gear towards having the advantage in pvp. Grind for barr / tablets and take them to the anvil.
However that doesn't mean everyone shares the same opinion, thats just how i personally see Soma
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[quote="ZUZU"]My view is that its an end game pvp set up, where you pve to improve your gear towards having the advantage in pvp. Grind for barr / tablets and take them to the anvil.
However that doesn't mean everyone shares the same opinion, thats just how i personally see Soma[/quote]
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#19 2022/05/08 11:34:08 |
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The myth of soma isn’t a PvP game, it has elements of PvP for players to take part in player versus player.
Original soma (esoma) you had guild village wars and guild wars for PvP. Yeah I know there’s pk mode blah blah, peace mode, attack mode (mobs) pk mode for attacking players. But back in esoma there was plenty of punishment there to help against the pk’ers the biggest threat to these players was the risk of losing stats. This is now removed on this server. Majority of pk’ers that played esoma moved to the devil world when we eventually got this update. This then added the wotw for PvP or RvR. I will say this server’s orientation has been more focused on the PvP side in that the person running this server has focused most of the changes to soma, which regardless of how you play there is a market in this world for PvP games so it’s understandable it would be more focused for this to compete with other games out there over the years. On this server you know have gvw’s (for both races) wotw, ss, you can also add the crystal runs that bring RvR but on this server it’s rare to see any guild wars going on like back on esoma. Everything that was in place to help you out if caught in a PvP situation has been tweaked, removed, altered and I have to say for the worse of soma. Removal of losing stats. Resi scrolls not stacking. Limiting feathers increasing there weight. I’m sure plenty of you have your own lists of other things that have added to the situation soma is in here.
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[quote="RAVENSOUL"]The myth of soma isn’t a PvP game, it has elements of PvP for players to take part in player versus player.
Original soma (esoma) you had guild village wars and guild wars for PvP.
Yeah I know there’s pk mode blah blah, peace mode, attack mode (mobs) pk mode for attacking players.
But back in esoma there was plenty of punishment there to help against the pk’ers the biggest threat to these players was the risk of losing stats. This is now removed on this server.
Majority of pk’ers that played esoma moved to the devil world when we eventually got this update. This then added the wotw for PvP or RvR.
I will say this server’s orientation has been more focused on the PvP side in that the person running this server has focused most of the changes to soma, which regardless of how you play there is a market in this world for PvP games so it’s understandable it would be more focused for this to compete with other games out there over the years.
On this server you know have gvw’s (for both races) wotw, ss, you can also add the crystal runs that bring RvR but on this server it’s rare to see any guild wars going on like back on esoma.
Everything that was in place to help you out if caught in a PvP situation has been tweaked, removed, altered and I have to say for the worse of soma.
Removal of losing stats.
Resi scrolls not stacking.
Limiting feathers increasing there weight.
I’m sure plenty of you have your own lists of other things that have added to the situation soma is in here.
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#20 2022/05/08 12:01:43 |
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So every single event added to the game thus far is PvP orientated but the game isn't a PvP game?
I'm sorry but not every player in game enjoys PvE, in fact I'd go as far as saying most people can't stand it. The only reason we do it is for reasons stated above. We want to improve our characters purely for the purpose of PvP. People who play this game for PvP aren't the minority. In fact, they're the majority.
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[quote="TUMBLEWEED"]So every single event added to the game thus far is PvP orientated but the game isn't a PvP game?
I'm sorry but not every player in game enjoys PvE, in fact I'd go as far as saying most people can't stand it. The only reason we do it is for reasons stated above. We want to improve our characters purely for the purpose of PvP.
People who play this game for PvP aren't the minority. In fact, they're the majority.[/quote]
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#21 2022/05/08 12:45:48 |
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"TUMBLEWEED"So every single event added to the game thus far is PvP orientated but the game isn't a PvP game? I would agree the majority of players left on this server are the PvP all what 30 of them the majority of PvE players have been driven off this server for many reasons over the years. Not everyone enjoys PvP. Not everyone enjoys PvE. We all play/played soma for different reasons, we all should have the right to play soma for are own play style.
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[quote="RAVENSOUL"][quote="TUMBLEWEED"]So every single event added to the game thus far is PvP orientated but the game isn't a PvP game?
I'm sorry but not every player in game enjoys PvE, in fact I'd go as far as saying most people can't stand it. The only reason we do it is for reasons stated above. We want to improve our characters purely for the purpose of PvP.
People who play this game for PvP aren't the minority. In fact, they're the majority.[/quote]
I would agree the majority of players left on this server are the PvP all what 30 of them the majority of PvE players have been driven off this server for many reasons over the years.
Not everyone enjoys PvP.
Not everyone enjoys PvE.
We all play/played soma for different reasons, we all should have the right to play soma for are own play style. [/quote]
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#22 2022/05/08 12:55:11 |
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TUMBLEWEED |
Correct. So why are self entitled morons constantly trying to drive for changes to hinder the PvP community? YOU LITERALLY HAVE IMMUNITY POTIONS. Use a potion and you CAN'T be attacked. Therefore your own style of play CAN'T be interfered with.
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#23 2022/05/08 13:03:17 |
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RAVENSOUL |
"TUMBLEWEED"Correct. So why are self entitled morons constantly trying to drive for changes to hinder the PvP community? YOU LITERALLY HAVE IMMUNITY POTIONS. Lmfao you fecking village idiot. Enjoy playing with yourself the last 20 or so players.
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[quote="RAVENSOUL"][quote="TUMBLEWEED"]Correct. So why are self entitled morons constantly trying to drive for changes to hinder the PvP community? YOU LITERALLY HAVE IMMUNITY POTIONS.[/quote]
Lmfao you fecking village idiot.
Enjoy playing with yourself the last 20 or so players.[/quote]
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#24 2022/05/08 13:06:35 |
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TUMBLEWEED |
"RAVENSOUL""TUMBLEWEED"Correct. So why are self entitled morons constantly trying to drive for changes to hinder the PvP community? YOU LITERALLY HAVE IMMUNITY POTIONS. Because immunity potions are a valid, sufficient implementation for the PvE community and you know it. Hence the lack of counter argument. Head on back to working out those crafting recipes you weirdo.
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[quote="TUMBLEWEED"][quote="RAVENSOUL"][quote="TUMBLEWEED"]Correct. So why are self entitled morons constantly trying to drive for changes to hinder the PvP community? YOU LITERALLY HAVE IMMUNITY POTIONS.[/quote]
Lmfao you fecking village idiot.
Enjoy playing with yourself the last 20 or so players.[/quote]
Because immunity potions are a valid, sufficient implementation for the PvE community and you know it. Hence the lack of counter argument.
Head on back to working out those crafting recipes you weirdo.[/quote]
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#25 2022/05/08 13:10:34 |
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ZUZU |
Well that escalated quickly
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#26 2022/05/08 13:29:22 |
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RAVENSOUL |
"TUMBLEWEED""RAVENSOUL""TUMBLEWEED"Correct. So why are self entitled morons constantly trying to drive for changes to hinder the PvP community? YOU LITERALLY HAVE IMMUNITY POTIONS. You really are an idiotic moron..... Yeah immunity potions are great, spend 4 hours getting the dailies to have 1 hour of peace, I’m sure you find fecking logic in there somehow. The original pk system was and still is the best system. Keep posting off an alt unless you find your big boy pants or balls.
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[quote="RAVENSOUL"][quote="TUMBLEWEED"][quote="RAVENSOUL"][quote="TUMBLEWEED"]Correct. So why are self entitled morons constantly trying to drive for changes to hinder the PvP community? YOU LITERALLY HAVE IMMUNITY POTIONS.[/quote]
Lmfao you fecking village idiot.
Enjoy playing with yourself the last 20 or so players.[/quote]
Because immunity potions are a valid, sufficient implementation for the PvE community and you know it. Hence the lack of counter argument.
Head on back to working out those crafting recipes you weirdo.[/quote]
You really are an idiotic moron.....
Yeah immunity potions are great, spend 4 hours getting the dailies to have 1 hour of peace, I’m sure you find fecking logic in there somehow.
The original pk system was and still is the best system.
Keep posting off an alt unless you find your big boy pants or balls.[/quote]
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#27 2022/05/08 13:36:21 |
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"ZUZU"Well that escalated quickly LOL How it is right now is probably the best we can hope for, not ideal for PvP or PVE players but at least there is a system for both, and ofcorse as mentioned here.. this current system at least has less botters in game. I did suggest this https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=40790&title=PK%2FPVE+maps in 2020... but unfortunately GM didn't see that this was necessary.
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[quote="ATTILA"][quote="ZUZU"]Well that escalated quickly [/quote]
LOL
How it is right now is probably the best we can hope for, not ideal for PvP or PVE players but at least there is a system for both, and ofcorse as mentioned here.. this current system at least has less botters in game.
I did suggest this [url=https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=40790]https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=40790&title=PK%2FPVE+maps[/url] in 2020... but unfortunately GM didn't see that this was necessary.
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#28 2022/05/08 14:10:15 |
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MIKELOWREY |
"ATTILA""ZUZU"Well that escalated quickly Best option by light years, if this was added and the ghost + system you might see some life breathed into this server again.
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[quote="MIKELOWREY"][quote="ATTILA"][quote="ZUZU"]Well that escalated quickly [/quote]
LOL
How it is right now is probably the best we can hope for, not ideal for PvP or PVE players but at least there is a system for both, and ofcorse as mentioned here.. this current system at least has less botters in game.
I did suggest this [url=https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=40790]https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=40790&title=PK%2FPVE+maps[/url] in 2020... but unfortunately GM didn't see that this was necessary.
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Best option by light years, if this was added and the ghost + system you might see some life breathed into this server again.[/quote]
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#29 2022/05/08 16:03:04 |
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Myth of Soma is quite clearly a PvE game and always was...how else did you get capped? How did you farm for all that gear? Did you level up through PK'ing?
Originally Soma had a deterrent against excessive PK'ing...the moral system. It was slow to gain because being devil meant you faced attacks by those opposed to your killing. You deserved this as potentially you stopped someone hunting, made them lose stats and/or items and guess what?...it's a slow grind, PvE game thus it made sense that if you hindered someone's progress you paid a heavy price. Of course you could change your ways but this took time because moral was slow to rise. I actually found that this gave PvP more value and it was genuinely a more challenging role to play. Admittedly most people found it too much of a challenge and just got bored of PvE and ran around like a reckless child with little else to do but become a nuisance. I see the same on this server despite there being many changes for PvP players compared to ESoma and of course despite the age of most soma players these days! The game does need changes from ESoma and it needs to evolve but it cannot be one-sided. The proportion of people that PvP to those that PvE is and always has been small, that's always been quite evident. There has to be balance. It cannot just be that we give perks to groups of players that are clearly just bored of the very essence of the game (PvE) and want to go round in packs killing characters recklessly. Surely you'd find a FPS more interesting? The balance needed means that there needs to be genuine perks to PK'ing and genuine perks to committing to the grind of PvE ( and these need to be equal and relevant to those game roles). What are these perks?...not sure, gear I suppose they should be. There must also be limitations on PK'ing (sorry guys...you don't own the game...and you're in the minority!)
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[quote="RTPR"]Myth of Soma is quite clearly a PvE game and always was...how else did you get capped? How did you farm for all that gear? Did you level up through PK'ing?
Originally Soma had a deterrent against excessive PK'ing...the moral system. It was slow to gain because being devil meant you faced attacks by those opposed to your killing. You deserved this as potentially you stopped someone hunting, made them lose stats and/or items and guess what?...it's a slow grind, PvE game thus it made sense that if you hindered someone's progress you paid a heavy price.
Of course you could change your ways but this took time because moral was slow to rise. I actually found that this gave PvP more value and it was genuinely a more challenging role to play. Admittedly most people found it too much of a challenge and just got bored of PvE and ran around like a reckless child with little else to do but become a nuisance. I see the same on this server despite there being many changes for PvP players compared to ESoma and of course despite the age of most soma players these days!
The game does need changes from ESoma and it needs to evolve but it cannot be one-sided. The proportion of people that PvP to those that PvE is and always has been small, that's always been quite evident. There has to be balance. It cannot just be that we give perks to groups of players that are clearly just bored of the very essence of the game (PvE) and want to go round in packs killing characters recklessly. Surely you'd find a FPS more interesting?
The balance needed means that there needs to be genuine perks to PK'ing and genuine perks to committing to the grind of PvE ( and these need to be equal and relevant to those game roles). What are these perks?...not sure, gear I suppose they should be. There must also be limitations on PK'ing (sorry guys...you don't own the game...and you're in the minority!)
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