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I think it's a real shame that there are actually such a huge variety of spells in soma and virtually all are not used.

Isylver has done a great job balancing out the various aspects of pvp (int hero, eva reduction etc.), and it would be great to see the spells balanced out too.

I think everyone knows that as soon as humans get conti - guild wars, pking and all pvp will be reduced to simply weaken + Dragon's Breath as it has done time and time again before.

Balancing out spells doesn't necessarily mean that all spells are exactly the same - variables such as range, power and MP usage mean that spells can be useful for different things.

Also, as a pker I think that, as the 'dev req' magic spells are basically the only benefit of becoming a pker, it makes sense that these spells be far more powerful. Perhaps high power but with higher mp usage?

I think it would really spice up the game if people were encouraged to use the wide range of magic available.
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[quote="LUTHER"]I think it's a real shame that there are actually such a huge variety of spells in soma and virtually all are not used. Isylver has done a great job balancing out the various aspects of pvp (int hero, eva reduction etc.), and it would be great to see the spells balanced out too. I think everyone knows that as soon as humans get conti - guild wars, pking and all pvp will be reduced to simply weaken + Dragon's Breath as it has done time and time again before. Balancing out spells doesn't necessarily mean that all spells are exactly the same - variables such as range, power and MP usage mean that spells can be useful for different things. Also, as a pker I think that, as the 'dev req' magic spells are basically the only benefit of becoming a pker, it makes sense that these spells be far more powerful. Perhaps high power but with higher mp usage? I think it would really spice up the game if people were encouraged to use the wide range of magic available.[/quote]
I agree that there's a lot of potential already within the game with the amount of spells available,
There could be a mana dump/ burst spell, triple/quad cast so it can't be used while spamming mp, but very high power, 200+ manacost, would be great for teamwork popping someone,
problem I see is coming up with ideas for the spells to be useful, because pretty much it will always be, highest damage - pvp. Earlygame. Mana efficient power - hunting spell, I don't see this changing,
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[quote="SABRE"]I agree that there's a lot of potential already within the game with the amount of spells available, There could be a mana dump/ burst spell, triple/quad cast so it can't be used while spamming mp, but very high power, 200+ manacost, would be great for teamwork popping someone, problem I see is coming up with ideas for the spells to be useful, because pretty much it will always be, highest damage - pvp. Earlygame. Mana efficient power - hunting spell, I don't see this changing, [/quote]
Just found another thread on this which puts it perhaps better than me:

"VOLM"Black spells provided by continental wizard and Abais wizard have less attack power, higher MP consumption and require huge sacrifice of moral (in cont map).

Is there any incentive in becoming a black mage anymore? This needs addressing, perhaps upping attack/distance and ease on low moral requirements for one?

Who's willing to go devil and acquire a lightning bolt black spell on conti map when it has no additional attack power to 'dragon breath' spell for example?

This is the reason for a dearth of black magicians, they are an endangered species. White magicians have a significant advantage.



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[quote="LUTHER"]Just found another thread on this which puts it perhaps better than me: [quote="VOLM"]Black spells provided by continental wizard and Abais wizard have less attack power, higher MP consumption and require huge sacrifice of moral (in cont map). Is there any incentive in becoming a black mage anymore? This needs addressing, perhaps upping attack/distance and ease on low moral requirements for one? Who's willing to go devil and acquire a lightning bolt black spell on conti map when it has no additional attack power to 'dragon breath' spell for example? This is the reason for a dearth of black magicians, they are an endangered species. White magicians have a significant advantage. [/quote] [/quote]
Black magic skill gives more MD as skill gets higher and white gives more MA,

A lot of people start as black then change to White later
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[quote="RAVER"]Black magic skill gives more MD as skill gets higher and white gives more MA, A lot of people start as black then change to White later[/quote]
"RAVER"Black magic skill gives more MD as skill gets higher and white gives more MA,

A lot of people start as black then change to White later


Incorrect, allow me to educate the misinformed regarding Magic Skills.

Black Magic Skill grants you:
Increased Magic Attack using Black Magic spells
Increased Magic Defence against Black Magic spells

White Magic Skill grants you:
Increased Magic Attack using White Magic spells
Increased Magic Defence against White Magic spells

Blue Magic Skill grants you:
Increased Magic Attack using Blue Magic spells
Increased Magic Defence against Blue Magic spells

Each 10.0 points of a Magic School grants you 1~1MD and 1~1MA in their respective Schools.
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The reason you have this perception that Black Magic users have more Magic Defence than White Magic users is because most of the monsters that you hunt either use Black or Blue magic spells.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="RAVER"]Black magic skill gives more MD as skill gets higher and white gives more MA, A lot of people start as black then change to White later[/quote] Incorrect, allow me to educate the misinformed regarding Magic Skills. Black Magic Skill grants you: Increased Magic Attack using Black Magic spells Increased Magic Defence against Black Magic spells White Magic Skill grants you: Increased Magic Attack using White Magic spells Increased Magic Defence against White Magic spells Blue Magic Skill grants you: Increased Magic Attack using Blue Magic spells Increased Magic Defence against Blue Magic spells Each 10.0 points of a Magic School grants you 1~1MD and 1~1MA in their respective Schools. -- The reason you have this perception that Black Magic users have more Magic Defence than White Magic users is because most of the monsters that you hunt either use Black or Blue magic spells.[/quote]
Ah thanks for the info
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[quote="RAVER"]Ah thanks for the info[/quote]
I think its pretty clear that there is a massive imbalance in white/black magic.

If anything it should be more in favour of black magicians - who cant cure, and who give massive sacrifice in order to learn what are supposed to be the best black magic spells.

Isylver please could you take a look at this?

Thank you!
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[quote="LUTHER"]I think its pretty clear that there is a massive imbalance in white/black magic. If anything it should be more in favour of black magicians - who cant cure, and who give massive sacrifice in order to learn what are supposed to be the best black magic spells. Isylver please could you take a look at this? Thank you! [/quote]
I agree spells shouldnt be just DB an Frost Wind, in esoma pre-conti patch you'd see a variety of spells being used all the time.

I don't agree that black/white needs re-balancing. If it was so one sided you wouldn't see SO many black mages. Most magic monsters use black magic so black mages have a much easier ride with their defense against their spells.

White mages have to suffer training magic till they get to Nightmares.
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[quote="ACAELUS"]I agree spells shouldnt be just DB an Frost Wind, in esoma pre-conti patch you'd see a variety of spells being used all the time. I don't agree that black/white needs re-balancing. If it was so one sided you wouldn't see SO many black mages. Most magic monsters use black magic so black mages have a much easier ride with their defense against their spells. White mages have to suffer training magic till they get to Nightmares.[/quote]
I also don't agree there is a balance issue between the two. So many ppl go black Mage for the easier lvling path. Therefore, white's extra utility spells are their advantage.

I honestly think they are quite balanced as you see a good mix. If anything more black mages.

I do agree that it would be nice to see more variety being used as spells.
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[quote="CYROX"]I also don't agree there is a balance issue between the two. So many ppl go black Mage for the easier lvling path. Therefore, white's extra utility spells are their advantage. I honestly think they are quite balanced as you see a good mix. If anything more black mages. I do agree that it would be nice to see more variety being used as spells. [/quote]

 

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