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LUPISCUS |
"HURRICANE" look at the difference in speeds..... id hardly say the bow is better tbh
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="HURRICANE"][item post=42320 index=0][item post=42320 index=1]
As u can see the attack is alot better with Bow, i dont think knuckle is over powered at all. Its the speed that makes the difference[/quote]
look at the difference in speeds..... id hardly say the bow is better tbh[/quote]
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#46 2014/11/13 18:02:18 |
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PYRAMID |
"IPHIOS" As the top boss - why shouldn't higher levels get the drops? Why should low level low str chars get them from a melee boss? Gorshak is a team effort and requires a large number of people to kill, its not a melle boss either it drops all weapons including stuff. Everyone has a fair chance to kill it, Isylver said at a gorshak he likes it this way as even bradley_cole can get the drop. If it was a 1 hour boss where the high levels were much more likely to get drop than anyone else, the majority of low-mid levels wouldnt bother to turn up as it would be a waste of time for them. Being high level has many perks, you have much better chance to kill every single boss except this one. I think this was a great idea bto have a boss where eveyrone can participate, do the same damage and have a chance on drops.
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[quote="PYRAMID"][quote="IPHIOS"] As the top boss - why shouldn't higher levels get the drops? Why should low level low str chars get them from a melee boss?[/quote]
Gorshak is a team effort and requires a large number of people to kill, its not a melle boss either it drops all weapons including stuff. Everyone has a fair chance to kill it, Isylver said at a gorshak he likes it this way as even bradley_cole can get the drop. If it was a 1 hour boss where the high levels were much more likely to get drop than anyone else, the majority of low-mid levels wouldnt bother to turn up as it would be a waste of time for them.
Being high level has many perks, you have much better chance to kill every single boss except this one. I think this was a great idea bto have a boss where eveyrone can participate, do the same damage and have a chance on drops.[/quote]
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#47 2014/11/13 18:05:53 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"LUPISCUS""HURRICANE" Bow has range, there's a reason nobody is knuckle end game, because you get fucking laughed at with 1 range. Bow will always be prefered to knuckle in pvp for that one single reason. I like it how any level can get gorshak drop. I think all weapons are pretty balanced with pro's and con's but I do agree that sword needs a buff as at the minute it's pretty shit.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="HURRICANE"][item post=42327 index=0][item post=42327 index=1]
As u can see the attack is alot better with Bow, i dont think knuckle is over powered at all. Its the speed that makes the difference[/quote]
look at the difference in speeds..... id hardly say the bow is better tbh[/quote]
Bow has range, there's a reason nobody is knuckle end game, because you get fucking laughed at with 1 range. Bow will always be prefered to knuckle in pvp for that one single reason. I like it how any level can get gorshak drop. I think all weapons are pretty balanced with pro's and con's but I do agree that sword needs a buff as at the minute it's pretty shit.[/quote]
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#48 2014/11/13 18:20:46 |
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IPHIOS |
"PYRAMID""IPHIOS" As the top boss - why shouldn't higher levels get the drops? Why should low level low str chars get them from a melee boss? Everyone doesn't have a fair chance which is exactly the point I make. A knuckle user has higher dmg output due to guaranteed (20 or 25dmg - cant remember) every 15 seconds from the approximate lvl 55 it takes to get 4th knuckle. Where a capped char using axe and staff can only ever do one dmg. So the question is why are the majority of kills knuckle users? and the answer is due to the 4th. Why should a capped char be out done by a char who happens to have 4th knuckle. edit: its a melee boss in the sense that melee does most damage to it - drops are irrelevant. However that said - I don't disagree with the sentiments of your post.
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[quote="IPHIOS"][quote="PYRAMID"][quote="IPHIOS"] As the top boss - why shouldn't higher levels get the drops? Why should low level low str chars get them from a melee boss?[/quote]
Gorshak is a team effort and requires a large number of people to kill, its not a melle boss either it drops all weapons including stuff. Everyone has a fair chance to kill it, Isylver said at a gorshak he likes it this way as even bradley_cole can get the drop. If it was a 1 hour boss where the high levels were much more likely to get drop than anyone else, the majority of low-mid levels wouldnt bother to turn up as it would be a waste of time for them.
Being high level has many perks, you have much better chance to kill every single boss except this one. I think this was a great idea bto have a boss where eveyrone can participate, do the same damage and have a chance on drops.[/quote]
Everyone doesn't have a fair chance which is exactly the point I make. A knuckle user has higher dmg output due to guaranteed (20 or 25dmg - cant remember) every 15 seconds from the approximate lvl 55 it takes to get 4th knuckle. Where a capped char using axe and staff can only ever do one dmg.
So the question is why are the majority of kills knuckle users? and the answer is due to the 4th. Why should a capped char be out done by a char who happens to have 4th knuckle.
edit: its a melee boss in the sense that melee does most damage to it - drops are irrelevant.
However that said - I don't disagree with the sentiments of your post.[/quote]
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#49 2014/11/13 18:34:01 |
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HURRICANE |
Gorshak is a fair mob, everyone agrees. Everyone has the same chance, I've had last hit with bow and knuckle, people have had it with int, lup has had it with both, if u want last hit train knuckle, simple.
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#50 2014/11/13 18:46:25 |
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HURRICANE |
Bow*
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#51 2014/11/13 18:46:49 |
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IPHIOS |
"HURRICANE"Gorshak is a fair mob, everyone agrees. Everyone has the same chance, I've had last hit with bow and knuckle, people have had it with int, lup has had it with both, if u want last hit train knuckle, simple. Genuinely don't know if trolling or thick so this conversation ends now.
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[quote="IPHIOS"][quote="HURRICANE"]Gorshak is a fair mob, everyone agrees. Everyone has the same chance, I've had last hit with bow and knuckle, people have had it with int, lup has had it with both, if u want last hit train knuckle, simple. [/quote]
Genuinely don't know if trolling or thick so this conversation ends now.[/quote]
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#52 2014/11/13 18:59:43 |
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LUPISCUS |
lup never used nuk.. or int on gorsh.. had the drop once...with bow ^
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#53 2014/11/13 19:07:32 |
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GENEFUSER |
Knuckle is superior in every way for hunting.
The sole advantage bow has over knuckle is its range, especially when comparing Psycho to Pan. How Hurricane can say that the attack on the bow is much better is beyond me. 49 average damage knuckle 1 attack per 0.735 sec 49 * 1.36054421769 = 66.66 dps 50 average damage crossbow 1 attack every 1.056 sec 50 * 0.94696969697 = 47.35 dps The average damage of the knuckle is 1 attack lower than the bow, but its speed makes it deal just over 19 more DPS (Over 40% more damage a second). I'd be interested in seeing the stats of other Gorshak dropped weapons to make comparisons like this. Why the Pan Claw drops with such high speed considering it has massive average damage (for a knuckle) is beyond me.
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[quote="GENEFUSER"]Knuckle is superior in every way for hunting.
The sole advantage bow has over knuckle is its range, especially when comparing Psycho to Pan.
How Hurricane can say that the attack on the bow is much better is beyond me.
49 average damage knuckle
1 attack per 0.735 sec
49 * 1.36054421769 = 66.66 dps
50 average damage crossbow
1 attack every 1.056 sec
50 * 0.94696969697 = 47.35 dps
The average damage of the knuckle is 1 attack lower than the bow, but its speed makes it deal just over 19 more DPS (Over 40% more damage a second).
I'd be interested in seeing the stats of other Gorshak dropped weapons to make comparisons like this.
Why the Pan Claw drops with such high speed considering it has massive average damage (for a knuckle) is beyond me.[/quote]
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#54 2014/11/13 19:56:57 |
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IPHIOS |
#55 2014/11/13 21:11:20 | |
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KOVARAS |
"IPHIOS"For fear it is missed in other forum - nice one Genefuser ;o Great post. Amazing work Genefuser!! |
#56 2014/11/13 21:30:03 |
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S0RCERER |
I have the same for Dsoma too, will make a thread on it just for comparative purposes.
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#57 2014/11/13 21:48:14 |
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CARNAGE |
"S0RCERER"I have the same for Dsoma too, will make a thread on it just for comparative purposes. Scared to even look. |
#58 2014/11/13 21:52:47 |
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S0RCERER |
I've based the damage entirely on untagged weapons.
Again, if you have much higher attack than your targets defence, 5th sword goes quite a long way in closing the gap. Knuckle however, climbs up to the top once again if we include their auras though. Keep in mind, the Dsoma one is to be taken with the consideration that some classes have close to 100% hit rate...
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[quote="S0RCERER"]I've based the damage entirely on untagged weapons.
Again, if you have much higher attack than your targets defence, 5th sword goes quite a long way in closing the gap.
Knuckle however, climbs up to the top once again if we include their auras though.
Keep in mind, the Dsoma one is to be taken with the consideration that some classes have close to 100% hit rate...[/quote]
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#59 2014/11/13 22:02:53 |
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CARNAGE |
"S0RCERER"I've based the damage entirely on untagged weapons. This information will ruin my night wont it.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="S0RCERER"]I've based the damage entirely on untagged weapons.
Again, if you have much higher attack than your targets defence, 5th sword goes quite a long way in closing the gap.
Knuckle however, climbs up to the top once again if we include their auras though.
Keep in mind, the Dsoma one is to be taken with the consideration that some classes have close to 100% hit rate...[/quote]
This information will ruin my night wont it.[/quote]
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#60 2014/11/13 22:05:48 |
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