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This doesn't affect me in any way, but it's interesting to see the differences in the Gorshak weapons on Hsoma.

Pan Claw
39~47 (43 average)
1 attack per 0.750 seconds

1/0.750 = 1.33
43 * 1.33 = 57.19 dps

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Psycho Crossbow
36~50 (43 average)
1 attack per 1.100 seconds

1/1.100 = 0.91
43 * 0.91 = 39.13 dps

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Blood Stained Blade
34~51 (42.5 average)
1 attack per 1.200 seconds

1/1.200 = 0.84
42.5 * 0.84 = 35.7 dps

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Mammoth Mauler
33~55 (44 average)
1 attack per 1.200
1 attack per 0.880 with 4th

1/1.200 = 0.84
1/0.880 = 1.34 with 4th

44 * 0.84 = 36.96 dps
44 * 1.34 = 58.96 dps with 4th

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Gore Lancet
40~57 (48.5 average)
1 attack per 1.150 seconds

1/1.150 = 0.87

48.5 * 0.87 = 42.20 dps


DPS BREAKDOWN
Mammoth Mauler w/4th: 58.96
Pan Claw: 57.19
Gore Lancet: 42.20
Psycho Crossbow: 39.13
Mammoth Mauler: 36.96
Bloodstained Blade: 35.70

As it stands, Bloodstained Blade looks to be a completely different tier of weapon from the rest, it's in a pretty poor shape, being beaten even by a Mammoth Mauler without 4th axe.
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[quote="GENEFUSER"]This doesn't affect me in any way, but it's interesting to see the differences in the Gorshak weapons on Hsoma. Pan Claw 39~47 (43 average) 1 attack per 0.750 seconds 1/0.750 = 1.33 43 * 1.33 = 57.19 dps -- Psycho Crossbow 36~50 (43 average) 1 attack per 1.100 seconds 1/1.100 = 0.91 43 * 0.91 = 39.13 dps -- Blood Stained Blade 34~51 (42.5 average) 1 attack per 1.200 seconds 1/1.200 = 0.84 42.5 * 0.84 = 35.7 dps -- Mammoth Mauler 33~55 (44 average) 1 attack per 1.200 1 attack per 0.880 with 4th 1/1.200 = 0.84 1/0.880 = 1.34 with 4th 44 * 0.84 = 36.96 dps 44 * 1.34 = 58.96 dps with 4th -- Gore Lancet 40~57 (48.5 average) 1 attack per 1.150 seconds 1/1.150 = 0.87 48.5 * 0.87 = 42.20 dps DPS BREAKDOWN Mammoth Mauler w/4th: 58.96 Pan Claw: 57.19 Gore Lancet: 42.20 Psycho Crossbow: 39.13 Mammoth Mauler: 36.96 Bloodstained Blade: 35.70 As it stands, Bloodstained Blade looks to be a completely different tier of weapon from the rest, it's in a pretty poor shape, being beaten even by a Mammoth Mauler without 4th axe.[/quote]
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[quote="IPHIOS"][img]http://i.imgur.com/4hnRSvm.jpg[/img][/quote]
Rofl
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[quote="SATAN2"]Rofl[/quote]
lmfao iphios
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[quote="NOTMAT"]lmfao iphios[/quote]
Gene can you recalculate dps over 1 minute for gore lancet with a 2nd spear (power 5? Every 5 secpnds?) included i dont lnow how to do it but it would be useful info as spear users always use 2nd for bosses and probably pvp too

Calculating spear dps without its fundamental aura isnt really accurate
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[quote="PYRAMID"]Gene can you recalculate dps over 1 minute for gore lancet with a 2nd spear (power 5? Every 5 secpnds?) included i dont lnow how to do it but it would be useful info as spear users always use 2nd for bosses and probably pvp too Calculating spear dps without its fundamental aura isnt really accurate[/quote]
Same with nux 4th?
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[quote="SATAN2"]Same with nux 4th?[/quote]
Sure, that would look something like...

42.20 * 60 = 2532 dpm

60/5 = 12 (number of 2nd spear auras you can activate per minute)

42.20 * 12 = 506.4 + (5*12) = 566.4 dpm from 2nd spear

2532 + 566.4 = 3098.4 dpm

3098.4 / 60 = 51.64 dps
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[quote="GENEFUSER"]Sure, that would look something like... 42.20 * 60 = 2532 dpm 60/5 = 12 (number of 2nd spear auras you can activate per minute) 42.20 * 12 = 506.4 + (5*12) = 566.4 dpm from 2nd spear 2532 + 566.4 = 3098.4 dpm 3098.4 / 60 = 51.64 dps[/quote]
Said since day one Blood stained blade needed to be luck at..
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[quote="KOVARAS"]Said since day one Blood stained blade needed to be luck at..[/quote]
I didn't include auras from other weapons as they will vary in accuracy.

5th sword is impossible to calculate without knowing the defence of your target, damage will be inflated vs. weaker mobs.
Knuckle will ofc surpass everything by MILES if we include using 3rd or 5th aura.

Spear seems logical, so I did that. Assuming it's based on 5 power with 5 sec cooldown.
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[quote="GENEFUSER"]I didn't include auras from other weapons as they will vary in accuracy. 5th sword is impossible to calculate without knowing the defence of your target, damage will be inflated vs. weaker mobs. Knuckle will ofc surpass everything by MILES if we include using 3rd or 5th aura. Spear seems logical, so I did that. Assuming it's based on 5 power with 5 sec cooldown.[/quote]
"GENEFUSER"Sure, that would look something like...

42.20 * 60 = 2532 dpm

60/5 = 12 (number of 2nd spear auras you can activate per minute)

>>42.20<< * 12 = 506.4 + (5*12) = 566.4 dpm from 2nd spear

2532 + 566.4 = 3098.4 dpm

3098.4 / 60 = 51.64 dps


Should use the average damage per hit rather than its dps when working out the damage 2nd spear will do so replacing 42.2 with 48.5 gives spear an average dps of 52.9 (Can you update that into the list in the first post assuming you agree with me, since 4th axe is on the list 2nd spear might as well be too)
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[quote="UBS"][quote="GENEFUSER"]Sure, that would look something like... 42.20 * 60 = 2532 dpm 60/5 = 12 (number of 2nd spear auras you can activate per minute) [b]>>42.20<<[/b] * 12 = 506.4 + (5*12) = 566.4 dpm from 2nd spear 2532 + 566.4 = 3098.4 dpm 3098.4 / 60 = 51.64 dps[/quote] Should use the average damage per hit rather than its dps when working out the damage 2nd spear will do so replacing 42.2 with 48.5 gives spear an average dps of 52.9 (Can you update that into the list in the first post assuming you agree with me, since 4th axe is on the list 2nd spear might as well be too)[/quote]
4th axe says power 880 in f11 which i presume means 880 recoil so the axe value is incorrect
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[quote="FUJITORA"]4th axe says power 880 in f11 which i presume means 880 recoil so the axe value is incorrect[/quote]
The problem with these calculations is that they are done on base items not including the tag system.

Let's say an epic variation can tweak attack and speed by 20% (not accurate percentage).

Then slower speed weapons technically get more of a boost for DPS

i.e. 750 speed would go to 600 (150 reduction) and 1200 speed would go to 960 (240 reduction).


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[quote="ISYLVER"]The problem with these calculations is that they are done on base items not including the tag system. Let's say an epic variation can tweak attack and speed by 20% (not accurate percentage). Then slower speed weapons technically get more of a boost for DPS i.e. 750 speed would go to 600 (150 reduction) and 1200 speed would go to 960 (240 reduction). [/quote]
Ok, for the purpose of clarity, let's use the example of a tag giving an extra 20% stats.

We'll compare the Pan Claw ((0.8*)speed and (1.2*)damage) with the Bloodstained Blade ((0.8*)speed and (1.2*)damage).

Pan Claw
47 ~ 56 (51.5 average)
1 attack per 0.600

1/0.600 = 1.67
51.5 * 1.67 = 86.01 dps

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Blood Stained Blade
41 ~ 61 (51 average)
1 attack per 0.960

1/0.960 = 1.04
51.0 * 1.04 = 53.04 dps


Summary:
Pan Claw's recoil decreased by 0.150 (20% of 0.750)
Pan Claw's average damage increased by 8.5
Pan Claw's DPS increased by 28.82

Bloodstained Blade's recoil decreased by 0.240 (20% of 1.200)
Bloodstained Blade's average damage increased by 8.5
Bloodstained Blade's DPS increased by 17.34

Pan Claw was 21.49 DPS ahead of the BSB, it is now 32.97 DPS more.

Now I'm a little tired, so I'm hoping if there are any glaring errors someone will pick up on them.

I've amended the Mammoth mauler's 4th aura to show 880 recoil instead of 900.

I can't see what is wrong with my calculations, however they don't look right...
I hope there's something wrong, Pan Claw looks far too strong.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]Ok, for the purpose of clarity, let's use the example of a tag giving an extra 20% stats. We'll compare the Pan Claw ((0.8*)speed and (1.2*)damage) with the Bloodstained Blade ((0.8*)speed and (1.2*)damage). Pan Claw 47 ~ 56 (51.5 average) 1 attack per 0.600 1/0.600 = 1.67 51.5 * 1.67 = 86.01 dps vs Blood Stained Blade 41 ~ 61 (51 average) 1 attack per 0.960 1/0.960 = 1.04 51.0 * 1.04 = 53.04 dps Summary: Pan Claw's recoil decreased by 0.150 (20% of 0.750) Pan Claw's average damage increased by 8.5 Pan Claw's DPS increased by 28.82 Bloodstained Blade's recoil decreased by 0.240 (20% of 1.200) Bloodstained Blade's average damage increased by 8.5 Bloodstained Blade's DPS increased by 17.34 Pan Claw was 21.49 DPS ahead of the BSB, it is now 32.97 DPS more. Now I'm a little tired, so I'm hoping if there are any glaring errors someone will pick up on them. I've amended the Mammoth mauler's 4th aura to show 880 recoil instead of 900. I can't see what is wrong with my calculations, however they don't look right... I hope there's something wrong, Pan Claw looks far too strong.[/quote]
With that said - is a review possible? :(
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[quote="IPHIOS"]With that said - is a review possible? :([/quote]
with that said ... stop being a numbers cunt and click the mobs like every other mong in soma ...
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[quote="KVOTHE"]with that said ... stop being a numbers cunt and click the mobs like every other mong in soma ... [/quote]

 

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