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YOSHIMITSU |
To calculate evasion it's your own defensive dex + 50 - the monsters dex = your evasion on a monster?
As an example for BLG 100 dex 5% set including hero boots and 10% on knuckle dodge = 30% eva 130 defensive dex 112 offensive = 68% evasion To have 100% on hoarde shanis you'd need 145 defensive dex To have 100% on BLG you'd need 162 defensive dex If i'm correct?
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"]To calculate evasion it's your own defensive dex + 50 - the monsters dex = your evasion on a monster?
As an example for BLG
100 dex
5% set including hero boots and 10% on knuckle dodge = 30% eva
130 defensive dex
112 offensive = 68% evasion
To have 100% on hoarde shanis you'd need 145 defensive dex
To have 100% on BLG you'd need 162 defensive dex
If i'm correct? [/quote]
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#1 2015/01/03 21:39:22 |
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RECYCLE |
AFAIK eva / hero boots / dodge ect were all nerfed so that 100% eva was not possible on mobs that people hunt.
If people are nearing 100% on blg and actually are obviously hunting them for stats maybe GMs need to revisit this. Cannot nerf peoples gear / items now so maybe introducing variable dex to blg & future mobs? E.g. If blg have 100 attacking dex, give them 75-125 attacking dex. They would still do exactly the same damage to everyone on average but people dont get 100% eva on them.
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[quote="RECYCLE"]AFAIK eva / hero boots / dodge ect were all nerfed so that 100% eva was not possible on mobs that people hunt.
If people are nearing 100% on blg and actually are obviously hunting them for stats maybe GMs need to revisit this.
Cannot nerf peoples gear / items now so maybe introducing variable dex to blg & future mobs?
E.g. If blg have 100 attacking dex, give them 75-125 attacking dex. They would still do exactly the same damage to everyone on average but people dont get 100% eva on them.[/quote]
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#2 2015/01/04 01:05:51 |
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DUROTAN |
Why is everybody so against 100% evasion? Especially when hunting PVE mobs - i really don't understand why people hate it so much, its not like full 7% sets are easy to get anyway. Even in PVP i don't see why people are so against evasion, especially now accuracy is equal to if not greater than evasion these days.
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[quote="DUROTAN"]Why is everybody so against 100% evasion? Especially when hunting PVE mobs - i really don't understand why people hate it so much, its not like full 7% sets are easy to get anyway. Even in PVP i don't see why people are so against evasion, especially now accuracy is equal to if not greater than evasion these days.[/quote]
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#3 2015/01/04 06:52:22 |
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JACKELPUP |
+1 Durotan
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#4 2015/01/04 08:33:43 |
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MIKEYYB93 |
the gear needed to get 100% on a mob is insane, i had 2 6% parts a 7% part and a +2 dex neck and 2 rof and still didnt get 100% on apus at 95 dex. shouldn't be nerfed at all people work for their gear should b able to enjoy the benefits of it.
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#5 2015/01/04 09:24:00 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"RECYCLE"AFAIK eva / hero boots / dodge ect were all nerfed so that 100% eva was not possible on mobs that people hunt. At the minute there will only be me, Hurricane and Garp are close to 100%, after the server being open for a year. How many people have minimum damage on them? Why not increase the minimum damage for BLG so everyone else who's hunting them for stats while you're at it? I wouldn't say there's a problem that needs to be fixed at all. People chose dex over brute str because of evasion, if you take out 100% evasion it takes away a huge part of a dex class.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="RECYCLE"]AFAIK eva / hero boots / dodge ect were all nerfed so that 100% eva was not possible on mobs that people hunt.
If people are nearing 100% on blg and actually are obviously hunting them for stats maybe GMs need to revisit this.
Cannot nerf peoples gear / items now so maybe introducing variable dex to blg & future mobs?
E.g. If blg have 100 attacking dex, give them 75-125 attacking dex. They would still do exactly the same damage to everyone on average but people dont get 100% eva on them.[/quote]
At the minute there will only be me, Hurricane and Garp are close to 100%, after the server being open for a year. How many people have minimum damage on them? Why not increase the minimum damage for BLG so everyone else who's hunting them for stats while you're at it? I wouldn't say there's a problem that needs to be fixed at all. People chose dex over brute str because of evasion, if you take out 100% evasion it takes away a huge part of a dex class.[/quote]
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#6 2015/01/04 11:35:41 |
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HURRICANE |
Sorry to disappoint but I already have 100% on Blg :)
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#7 2015/01/04 13:47:40 |
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TOLIC |
Nerf these knux users with their 34474748392% evasion
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#8 2015/01/04 14:34:54 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
From what I was aware of it's your base dex, + dex access = total dex
Total dex / 100 * evasion you have on character + base dex = total defensive dex Which is obviously incorrect as i'd have 100% on BLG now, but Hurricane has a different way of working it out but that's only with the same/more than the base dex of the monster you're hunting (BLG 112 is 50% evasion). Can someone clear this up? As me and hurricane have different views and it's bugging the hell out of me ;[ *Edit* I'm assuming this is also the same for having accuracy?
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"]From what I was aware of it's your base dex, + dex access = total dex
Total dex / 100 * evasion you have on character + base dex = total defensive dex
Which is obviously incorrect as i'd have 100% on BLG now, but Hurricane has a different way of working it out but that's only with the same/more than the base dex of the monster you're hunting (BLG 112 is 50% evasion).
Can someone clear this up? As me and hurricane have different views and it's bugging the hell out of me ;[
*Edit*
I'm assuming this is also the same for having accuracy?[/quote]
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#9 2015/01/04 15:11:24 |
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"YOSHIMITSU""RECYCLE"AFAIK eva / hero boots / dodge ect were all nerfed so that 100% eva was not possible on mobs that people hunt. 100% evasion for dex classes means 0dmg Brute str chars doesn't give 0dmg, they still get hurt, and lose dura. So explain why 100% should be available again...
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[quote="GENEFUSER"][quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="RECYCLE"]AFAIK eva / hero boots / dodge ect were all nerfed so that 100% eva was not possible on mobs that people hunt.
If people are nearing 100% on blg and actually are obviously hunting them for stats maybe GMs need to revisit this.
Cannot nerf peoples gear / items now so maybe introducing variable dex to blg & future mobs?
E.g. If blg have 100 attacking dex, give them 75-125 attacking dex. They would still do exactly the same damage to everyone on average but people dont get 100% eva on them.[/quote]
At the minute there will only be me, Hurricane and Garp are close to 100%, after the server being open for a year. How many people have minimum damage on them? Why not increase the minimum damage for BLG so everyone else who's hunting them for stats while you're at it? I wouldn't say there's a problem that needs to be fixed at all. People chose dex over brute str because of evasion, if you take out 100% evasion it takes away a huge part of a dex class.[/quote]
100% evasion for dex classes means 0dmg
Brute str chars doesn't give 0dmg, they still get hurt, and lose dura.
So explain why 100% should be available again...[/quote]
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#10 2015/01/04 16:40:48 |
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GANDALF |
nerf knuckle dodge to the same % as bow dodge would be a good start :)
then buff all mobs attacking dex (seeing as people only really level on blg) maybe upping there attacking dex to the equivalent of drazil? :) regards gand |
#11 2015/01/04 17:11:14 |
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"GENEFUSER" While I'm not a Soma expert my any means, my feeling is that since dex is so hard to get AND you need high evasion gear, getting 100% evasion is certainly difficult enough to warrant the benefit. Getting minimum damage on mobs is a lot less trouble.
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[quote="IMCON"][quote="GENEFUSER"]
So explain why 100% should be available again...[/quote]
While I'm not a Soma expert my any means, my feeling is that since dex is so hard to get AND you need high evasion gear, getting 100% evasion is certainly difficult enough to warrant the benefit. Getting minimum damage on mobs is a lot less trouble.[/quote]
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#12 2015/01/04 17:22:17 |
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FUJITORA |
GMS didnt want 100% eva to be ingame so they made it harder, and with the double slow on 100 dex, nobody would have got 100% on blg.
However the double slow was removed and now people are capable of getting 115-120+ dex it makes 100% eva on blg a reality. Quite a few people have 6/7% eva ingame now and as time goes on im sure many more will do. With fairly decent dex access its possible to get 100% eva anywhere from 110-115 dex. Considering someone doing pure bow will probably be at 120+ dex getting 100% eva is not as difficult as it sounds. Personally dont think it should be available ingame as the whole concept is just daft.
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[quote="FUJITORA"]GMS didnt want 100% eva to be ingame so they made it harder, and with the double slow on 100 dex, nobody would have got 100% on blg.
However the double slow was removed and now people are capable of getting 115-120+ dex it makes 100% eva on blg a reality.
Quite a few people have 6/7% eva ingame now and as time goes on im sure many more will do. With fairly decent dex access its possible to get 100% eva anywhere from 110-115 dex. Considering someone doing pure bow will probably be at 120+ dex getting 100% eva is not as difficult as it sounds.
Personally dont think it should be available ingame as the whole concept is just daft.[/quote]
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#13 2015/01/04 17:33:07 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"FUJITORA"GMS didnt want 100% eva to be ingame so they made it harder, and with the double slow on 100 dex, nobody would have got 100% on blg. If they wanted to make it impossible they would have put something in place earlier as a fair amount of people will have 100% on warmess, warban, devil warriors, shanis, apus etc. I don't think 100% should be taken out because it's hard enough to obtain as it is. Hurricane has 100% with knuckle (Not bow), i'll have soon and maybe Garp has 100% as well but who else can you see up and coming that will have 100% on BLG anytime soon? Elric maybe is the only other person? If you wanted to hunt BLG on conti with str cap, you could happily do so using utter trash gear. If you wanted to do the same with 100% you'd have to wear your best gear at all times. There will be 3/4(/5, J0ker?) characters in game with 100% on BLG at some point in the near future out of a possible how many? If you do the route us few characters have done with brute dex to get anywhere near 100% on BLG you'll have at max 120/130 int(ish) with STR cap, that's 3 hit with weaken with SS/LS with someone who's 160+ int. If you didn't cap STR and went get near 166/176 INT, you'd have around 120/130 STR with 115/120 DEX if pure bow or knuckle which would lead to instant rape from sword/spear and if stoned. It all comes with pro's and con's but all of a sudden everyone just see's 100% evasion and thinks holy shit, that's so OP it should be removed.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="FUJITORA"]GMS didnt want 100% eva to be ingame so they made it harder, and with the double slow on 100 dex, nobody would have got 100% on blg.
However the double slow was removed and now people are capable of getting 115-120+ dex it makes 100% eva on blg a reality.
Quite a few people have 6/7% eva ingame now and as time goes on im sure many more will do. With fairly decent dex access its possible to get 100% eva anywhere from 110-115 dex. Considering someone doing pure bow will probably be at 120+ dex getting 100% eva is not as difficult as it sounds.
Personally dont think it should be available ingame as the whole concept is just daft.[/quote]
If they wanted to make it impossible they would have put something in place earlier as a fair amount of people will have 100% on warmess, warban, devil warriors, shanis, apus etc. I don't think 100% should be taken out because it's hard enough to obtain as it is. Hurricane has 100% with knuckle (Not bow), i'll have soon and maybe Garp has 100% as well but who else can you see up and coming that will have 100% on BLG anytime soon? Elric maybe is the only other person? If you wanted to hunt BLG on conti with str cap, you could happily do so using utter trash gear. If you wanted to do the same with 100% you'd have to wear your best gear at all times.
There will be 3/4(/5, J0ker?) characters in game with 100% on BLG at some point in the near future out of a possible how many? If you do the route us few characters have done with brute dex to get anywhere near 100% on BLG you'll have at max 120/130 int(ish) with STR cap, that's 3 hit with weaken with SS/LS with someone who's 160+ int. If you didn't cap STR and went get near 166/176 INT, you'd have around 120/130 STR with 115/120 DEX if pure bow or knuckle which would lead to instant rape from sword/spear and if stoned.
It all comes with pro's and con's but all of a sudden everyone just see's 100% evasion and thinks holy shit, that's so OP it should be removed. [/quote]
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#14 2015/01/04 18:19:32 |
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HURRICANE |
Tbh I've put so much effort to get 100% on blg. 100% should be attainable due to the hard work gone into it. I've chose to go pure dex and I'm half I have. I will cap lvl with 97int because that's the way I want to go, if people are saying 100% is over powered, sorry but I can honestly say int is x10 more over powered. Like Yoshi says each stat u train has it's pros and cons, it's just the way u want to go. It's like saying 150craft is over powdered looking at secrets bow because no1 should be able to get +7 weps, but Elroy's put the hard work in and it's
Paid off, that's how I see it.
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[quote="HURRICANE"]Tbh I've put so much effort to get 100% on blg. 100% should be attainable due to the hard work gone into it. I've chose to go pure dex and I'm half I have. I will cap lvl with 97int because that's the way I want to go, if people are saying 100% is over powered, sorry but I can honestly say int is x10 more over powered. Like Yoshi says each stat u train has it's pros and cons, it's just the way u want to go. It's like saying 150craft is over powdered looking at secrets bow because no1 should be able to get +7 weps, but Elroy's put the hard work in and it's
Paid off, that's how I see it.[/quote]
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#15 2015/01/04 18:44:16 |
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