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[quote="WAGAWAGA"]Im not gona done cap lvl with 5th dmg 80% mages hits and regen spear aura per 3 second is that dex realy help me !!! Plzzzzz fk that [/quote]

[quote="BASIL"]0-90 archers are far the best class to have, most other classes have no chance against Other classes. Any one shed some light on pvp bow vs bow at the last 10 levels? Maybe we need class accessories to balance things out? [/quote]

[quote="PATHOLOGIST"]Archer vs mages. Mages can only cast a couple of times every 60 (or 90?) seconds and that's because of their 4th aura. Other than that you never miss so they never cast. You can just run around for a couple of second while their 4th aura burns out. Archer vs Everything else. Archer doesn't hurt a lot, but they NEVER FUCKING MISS. Archer doesnt have high defense, BUT THEY NEVER FUCKING GET HIT. All said and done, archer can also just use RANGE which NO OTHER CLASS has the luxury of having. Yet you archers refuse to see how strong you are and want changes. Reduce all archer dex to 160cap since they never mention having dex in any of their arguments anyway so they clearly don't think it's important. Make archers range 1 because they also think range makes no difference. You see how you come across now? [/quote]

[quote="WAGAWAGA"]Mr patha why im doing 10 lvl's punch??? For 50int more that so useless in dsoma is that called ballance [/quote]

[quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="WAGAWAGA"]Mr patha why im doing 10 lvl's punch??? For 50int more that so useless in dsoma is that called ballance [/quote] that's because dex is caped, if it wasn't caped you would level normal or u wouldn't hit other archers I do agree that archers need a bit more attack, min dmg on any class is wrong However there evasion is over powered So if we compared axer dmg over time and archer dmg over time on each other they would be quite close if not archer in the lead[/quote]

[quote="WAGAWAGA"]So there is no point to punch and lvl archer fron lvl 90??? Is that wth u want [/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]I don't even know what you're complaining about Waga. You have the choice to level with bow or the choice to level by punching. This is the same as all other classes. If an axer chooses to punch, he will forego strength gains in favour of more dex and int. Same applies to a spear user. If a swordsman chooses to punch, he will gain the same strength and dex but also gain more int. If a knuckler decides to punch, he will gain less dex in favour of more strength and int. Same applies to an archer. If a mage chooses to punch, he will gain less int, but will gain more strength and dex. It is your CHOICE to punch. The only class where punching has no downsides at all, is Sword. In an earlier post of yours, you mentioned that archer's attack is fine, you just want more defence. Would I be right in making the following points: 1) You are happy with your hit rate. 2) You are happy with your evasion rate. 3) You are happy with your range. 4) You are happy with your damage. 5) You are not happy with your defence. If your defence was upped, what downside would you hold?[/quote]

[quote="WAGAWAGA"]I love how people pop up here and start talking... Did i ever said my dmg,deff,range is good ?? I said its enougt that not mean good perfect and i wont to be like that just saying some point here that not every1 cann feel it cu all of u here wont be done like ounching hogs 10 lvl' for just some int, yea i can just hunt normal with bow then im done with less then 200 str shit int shit con shit deff and then wth u ill be happy to killl me in 1 hit!!! Again and again lvl 100 cant be done with 80% dmg from 5 th sword and 0%dmg to axer!!!! Yea im shit all archer lvl 100 cap shit and we need that change!!![/quote]

[quote="TED"][quote="PATHOLOGIST"][quote="TED"]Pure archer would cap with about 195 str. no more...that's another factor that other classes are often forgetting, that all the top level archers have all spent many many thousands more hours getting the stats they have... lets see what damage an archer with 195 str does to a capped sword/spear/axer (ghost I encourage you to test this, you can use ryus stats for this (he has 190 str but lets say you could gain 5 more hunting more optimally)).[/quote] I still don't understand... Why are you dodging ; [quote="CARNAGE"]There's a lot of talk of archers dealing minimum damage so what I want to know is who are these archers doing minimum damage and who are they doing minimum damage to? I'd like some names because I recently tested with Prometheus yet again and his damage was far from minimum in fact he took half my hp in seconds. Bare in mind to my knowledge I'm still the only level 100 swordsman on the server. [/quote] Here is a lvl 100swordsman who has tested numerous times. Please name the characters that archers do min dmg to. Also please state how much evasion and hit rate you have against alllllll of those (make-believe) characters. Why is dex completely ignored in every pro-archer comment? [/quote] I haven't dodged anything, I'm just not going to use the hearsay of a swordsman in your guild, full of str based chars. As I said in my previous post, use RYU to test this on carnage. All you have to do is SIMPLE mathematics, allow for the 50 str difference between RYU and carnage, factor in carnages armour (he has around 240 str so add on the defence of his armor to this) then add on ryus attack with an epic bow equpped. It's really not hard... Dex isn't ignored, it should be raised for archers to continue to gain their main stat, as a mob was implemented for str chars to do with their str... [/quote]

[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="TED"]I haven't dodged anything, I'm just not going to use the hearsay of a swordsman in your guild, full of str based chars.[/quote] Hearsay lol be serious dude not like I'm going to post here and lie about Proms damage maybe I'll record it next time for your benefit, my comments are based off actual testing I've done in game very recently which is a lot more than most in this thread have bought to the table including you. Like I said before and I'll repeat again I'd like the names of these archers who are producing minimum damage and I mean actual minimum damage which I believe is 6~12? feel free to correct that, not to be confused with shit damage i.e anything more than minimum and who they are doing minimum damage to because right now I've seen none.[/quote]

[quote="TED"]Hearsay "noun: hearsay - Information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate " is the closest word for what I would call it. Because we can't validate your claims fully. I propose we use simple mathematics to prevent anyone from wearing shit armor or whatever to make it look like more damage is being done. I am also generally talking about the types of bow accessible to your average archer, so let's use an 80-107 Attack grim bow (decent ish epic) Would you mind providing the defence of your armor all added up including a helm? add in a shield if you are going to bring grim XBows into the argument. Then lets do a non punched archers str (190-195 str at lvl 100) verses a non punched swordsman (240ish str) and yes I'm aware there's no real benefit for a sword user punching but we need to make it 'fair' in terms of levelling time spent to reach the same level. I think you will quickly see that yes some/many hits will be min damage. And again some of you will argue "oh dex this" or "range that" but there is no point in having massive dex or range if you can't damage anyone of the same level of any class besides archer and mage significantly. Especially when you take such massive damage from other classes as well as the other nerfs made to archers before the server was even launched (think reduced dodge/eva rate). I don't even play the game anymore, but I don't like to see things being unbalanced and I like a good discussion. I have no bias and my opinion is simply the observations I've made. Archers became obsolete (given time) when new mobs were introduced (without stats being amended or changes being made to the class), so s0rcs argument about being able to level faster is bullshit, because as an archer you are essentially forced to punch unless you want to miss out on 15+ attack/defence (again bare in mind the str/con swap), so when s0rc was presented with the exact same problem being an axer (Gene) and unable to gain str (this is the same as an archer not being able to gain dex), he moaned continuously to the GMS (and rightly so) but when we propose a change to make things more even he is dead against it. An axer could of punched like INTHEFACE did in order to overcome the max str attainable from WBM, but no s0rc moaned that the class should be able to level as normal and gain the stats intended as normal...which again I agree with...but then if that's the case so should all classes. All this should of been done before archers started hitting 200 dex. but alas it's probably too late now. [/quote]

[quote="THEMAT"]Still don't understand why you give a shit Mark when you sold your char ages ago.[/quote]

[quote="WAGAWAGA"]Carnage plzzz i have i screenie of u tanking(wagawaga.kortex.alucard.187.ilovecawq) at gvw and i wasted more then 300 pots befor i dead and u didnt..... Dear gm where is that balance here... Dear carnage where isbthat fucking dmg 5 archers hitting u( that callled a test not between u and promy just god know wth u was wearing [/quote]

[quote="WAGAWAGA"]Btw wasted 300 and u was hitting me no1 else [/quote]

[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="WAGAWAGA"]Carnage plzzz i have i screenie of u tanking(wagawaga.kortex.alucard.187.ilovecawq) at gvw and i wasted more then 300 pots befor i dead and u didnt..... Dear gm where is that balance here... Dear carnage where isbthat fucking dmg 5 archers hitting u( that callled a test not between u and promy just god know wth u was wearing [/quote] I got that same screenshot mate it's a beauty. Reminds me back when Slayer/187 used to tank being completely surrounded. [quote="TED"]Would you mind providing the defence of your armor all added up including a helm? add in a shield if you are going to bring grim XBows into the argument.[/quote] I do mind because I'd rather not plaster my stats etc all over the forum for privacy reasons BUT feel free to contact me anytime after 7pm for any in game testing.[/quote]