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[quote="CEO_008"]Similar theme to the other thread, but a point I feel needs to be made. Looking at the drop files for main melee and int based upgrades: [b]Clean Tablet:-[/b] Pan bear Moss bear Devil Fish Xenomorph War Beast Palus Gargoyle Warrior Shiro [b]ToW:-[/b] Leiver Beast War Beast Warban Cyclone Shanis Palus Wraith Warmess Devil Fish [b]RDT:-[/b] Devil Warriors Shiro Gargoyle Warrior Beserk Demented Warthog [b]Keen Eye:-[/b] Nothing RDT especially needs to be added to some normal mobs drop files. Nobody hunts DWs, and I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting a RDT from them so their drop rate is the lowest possible it would seem. There are plenty of mobs that they could be added to (Apus, Akah, War Beast, Xeno). Clearly there is a massive disparity between the two classes of upgrades. In addition, Keen Eyes also do not seem to be working properly (Ghost & Fin are looking into this I believe) when added to accessories. They are also inferior to clean tablets in that being a crafted upgrade they have a lower success rate than all of the other upgrades mentioned above. Thoughts?[/quote]

[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Similar to but much less work than the current DSoma situation. We'll probably look at this when we get to DSoma upgrade drops. Such lists as above will be very helpful to us.[/quote]

[quote="SKATT420"]I great post [/quote]

[quote="CEO_008"]Thought I'd give this a bump. Anyone else got any thoughts whether they agree or disagree? I feel melee chars are being shafted on upgrades.[/quote]

[quote="JAHEIRA"]rather see att upgrades rather than str so don't mind rdt being mostly boss only think a boost to the attack upgrades is needed [/quote]

[quote="CEO_008"]The disparity of quest rewards is also massively in favour of int upgrades. Off the top of my head there are ToW quests from NM and Pan bears, and CT quests from NM, Pan bears and Lizardmen. Of the melee upgrades I can only think of RDT from Cyclone Shanis. As I said this is only off the top of my head but 5 upgrades vs 1 is well out of balance.[/quote]

[quote="HURRICANE"]You know I agree Ceo :P there is not enough melee upgrades ingame. I think keen eyes should add atleast +2 or +3 attack per upgrade as melee chars don't have weaken, and I do agree normal mobs should drop rdts. At the moment the server favours mages and everyone knows this :/[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]It's not true to say everyone "knows" this. You will beat any mage 1v1 ingame on Hsoma. What you mean to say is that in group PvP, magic is very effective because in group PvP, nobody uses magic robes or wears any magic defence gear. Keen Eyes add attack to accessories 2,1,1,1,1. It would be nice to have a melee "Clean Tablet" equivalent though. I agree that Keen's should be 2,2,2,2,2 so a maximum of +10 attack much like Clean Tabs are for magic. But please refrain from making unfounded comments after a valid suggestion, you don't have a set of magic defence accessories and you never pvp with robes, you freely chose not to train INT and in every post you make, you say how strong magic is. If you are this obsessed with how "strong" magic is, perhaps you should invest in using DPs on accessories.[/quote]

[quote="HURRICANE"]I ain't obsessed with how strong magic is, I said the server favours mages, which it does, due to more upgrades/ proc gear, weaken. I ain't complaining, just saying more melee upgrades should be available. Same as what Ceo is saying.[/quote]

[quote="CEO_008"][quote="S0RCERER"]I agree that Keen's should be 2,2,2,2,2 so a maximum of +10 attack much like Clean Tabs are for magic.[/quote] Unfortunately they'd still have a much lower success rate (in terms of making the item and then succeeding on upgrade), but it would be a start! Haven't heard anything further from Fin or Ghost yet as to whether this is a bug or it was intended.[/quote]

[quote="RAVER"]dont think keen eyes should be added to any mob drop file maybe mare blood tho[/quote]

[quote="SKATT420"]Leave KE as is and make new+2 attack upgrade that drops like the CT , also change RDTs drop like ToWs would make a fair bit of balance. At the moment the current situation is making me change my build from dex mele to dex Mage simply because I can be more effective in pvp like that .[/quote]

[quote="WESLEY"]Adding RDT to a monster like apus and making keen eye +2 attack like CT are would balance it all out.[/quote]

[quote="CEO_008"]To be balanced the +2 attack upgrade needs to be a dropped rather than crafted upgrade (like CT) but it would certainly be a start! Ghost/Fin can we get RDT added to some normal mobs drop files please? Assume it's only a small change but would make a few of us very happy![/quote]

[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Been busy with college. All in due time.[/quote]