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JARAGOONDOO |
"S0RCERER""JARAGOONDOO"4th axe does need a buff, IMO. You make a lot of good points. My opinion is purely subjective from the point of view of a knuckle-user. I can't actually hurt an axe user the same level as me atm, and that's my main problem with it. But then again, knuckle is a class that gains its PvP benefits at late game. Still feels weird doing 1~30 damage to someone my level.
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="S0RCERER"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]4th axe does need a buff, IMO.
But at the same time I think 2nd axe needs a nerf. But hey, that's just my opinion.[/quote]
End-game I don't think 2nd axe is going to be that big of a deal.
Level 100 dev will far outstretch his/her defence.
As the bonus from 2nd axe is to Con and not to total defence, at 100con it's 15def and at 150con it'll be a whopping 22 def.
Even now at level 70, some people have near 300 attack, while their def is still in the 200's.
Due to the dex an axer has, he/she'll very rarely evade hits, as such, although he'll be hit for less than his counterparts, will be hit with a lot more frequency.
I like 2nd's incarnation, if an axer wants to tunnel up at the expense of damage, he can.
If he wants damage output, he uses 4th with a 2h.[/quote]
You make a lot of good points. My opinion is purely subjective from the point of view of a knuckle-user. I can't actually hurt an axe user the same level as me atm, and that's my main problem with it. But then again, knuckle is a class that gains its PvP benefits at late game. Still feels weird doing 1~30 damage to someone my level.
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#31 2013/10/19 20:55:56 |
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I0_0I |
"JARAGOONDOO" How much damage could you do to yourself?
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[quote="I0_0I"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]
You make a lot of good points. My opinion is purely subjective from the point of view of a knuckle-user. I can't actually hurt an axe user the same level as me atm, and that's my main problem with it. But then again, knuckle is a class that gains its PvP benefits at late game. Still feels weird doing 1~30 damage to someone my level.
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#32 2013/10/19 23:39:44 |
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JARAGOONDOO |
"I0_0I""JARAGOONDOO" 1~60. Doesn't seem like much, but it halves my damage output (assuming shield + 2nd axe). Once I've got my final weapon and more skill my damage will be much higher. Either way, 4th axe needs to be buffed.
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="I0_0I"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]
You make a lot of good points. My opinion is purely subjective from the point of view of a knuckle-user. I can't actually hurt an axe user the same level as me atm, and that's my main problem with it. But then again, knuckle is a class that gains its PvP benefits at late game. Still feels weird doing 1~30 damage to someone my level.
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How much damage could you do to yourself?[/quote]
1~60.
Doesn't seem like much, but it halves my damage output (assuming shield + 2nd axe). Once I've got my final weapon and more skill my damage will be much higher.
Either way, 4th axe needs to be buffed.[/quote]
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#33 2013/10/20 00:05:15 |
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I haven't bothered to read the comments. Reasons why.
1. Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA) 2.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA) 3.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA) 4.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA) 5. ALL OF THE ABOVE In all honesty. 4th axe is fine as B speed. Live with it.
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[quote="NITE"]I haven't bothered to read the comments. Reasons why.
1. Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
2.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
3.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
4.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
5. ALL OF THE ABOVE
In all honesty. 4th axe is fine as B speed. Live with it.
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#34 2013/10/20 00:58:04 |
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"NITE"I haven't bothered to read the comments. Reasons why. You sir should really read before you post. We are addressing Dsoma axers not Hsoma
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[quote="GENEFUSER"][quote="NITE"]I haven't bothered to read the comments. Reasons why.
1. Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
2.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
3.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
4.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
5. ALL OF THE ABOVE
In all honesty. 4th axe is fine as B speed. Live with it.
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You sir should really read before you post. We are addressing Dsoma axers not Hsoma
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#35 2013/10/20 02:18:36 |
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"NITE"I haven't bothered to read the comments. Reasons why. People like you turn our posts that have legitimate reasons and legitimate conversation about into the peanut gallery.
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[quote="NEXUSJR"][quote="NITE"]I haven't bothered to read the comments. Reasons why.
1. Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
2.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
3.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
4.Normal 4th axe = A+ ( AKA EVERY1 WILL GO DAMN AXE FOR FAST STR IN HSOMA)
5. ALL OF THE ABOVE
In all honesty. 4th axe is fine as B speed. Live with it.
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People like you turn our posts that have legitimate reasons and legitimate conversation about into the peanut gallery.[/quote]
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#36 2013/10/20 05:12:07 |
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2nd axe is already stupidly OP.
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#37 2013/10/20 08:27:13 |
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ACAELUS |
"ZYZZ"2nd axe is already stupidly OP. ^ This |
#38 2013/10/20 12:01:11 |
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If you change 4th axe in dsoma ppl in hsoma will be like. OOO WE WANT FASTER AXE AURA TOO!. Just live with it or make diff class dsoma char. simples.
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#39 2013/10/20 16:08:56 |
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I0_0I |
What is abundantly obvious after reading this is that;
1) To many people have never really played Devil Soma. 2) To many people have never played axe as primary to end. 3) Humans will always whine about devils, and visa versa |
#40 2013/10/21 00:51:01 |
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I don't think people understand the problem.
The problem lies NOT with human soma being equivalent, as they get to use ANY weapon AND magic. The problem is to give it back to devils so axe users can stand a chance vs. other devils. Also, looking at PD being buffed. What does it accomplish? i get an extra 20 def right now, which I DO NOT use for leveling, as it puts me back to D speed axe, waste of time. GVW/WotW, use PD? not a chance, with multiple people attacking me for dmg - 20 thanks to PD, it's utterly useless anyways. Although PD would be useful pre-4th axe, it becomes nullified by the incredible dmg of other devils anyways, and I need a fast 4th in order to even stand a chance offensively, as I am outdexed by every class by a wide margin. NO, HUMANS DO NOT NEED THE A+ SPEED. They have a wide arsenal of weapons, and even magic, to use, but as an Axer in DSOMA, I get one weapon, and it comes with LOW dex. GM's, I'm asking you to reconsider, at LEAST for devil Axe users, to return to A+ speed, as buffing ANY other aura is pointless for leveling. It's a completely different world, my humans..
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[quote="NEXUSJR"]I don't think people understand the problem.
The problem lies NOT with human soma being equivalent, as they get to use ANY weapon AND magic.
The problem is to give it back to devils so axe users can stand a chance vs. other devils.
Also, looking at PD being buffed. What does it accomplish? i get an extra 20 def right now, which I DO NOT use for leveling, as it puts me back to D speed axe, waste of time. GVW/WotW, use PD? not a chance, with multiple people attacking me for dmg - 20 thanks to PD, it's utterly useless anyways.
Although PD would be useful pre-4th axe, it becomes nullified by the incredible dmg of other devils anyways, and I need a fast 4th in order to even stand a chance offensively, as I am outdexed by every class by a wide margin.
NO, HUMANS DO NOT NEED THE A+ SPEED. They have a wide arsenal of weapons, and even magic, to use, but as an Axer in DSOMA, I get one weapon, and it comes with LOW dex. GM's, I'm asking you to reconsider, at LEAST for devil Axe users, to return to A+ speed, as buffing ANY other aura is pointless for leveling.
It's a completely different world, my humans..[/quote]
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#41 2013/10/21 02:05:52 |
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ISYLVER [Staff] |
I'm keeping an eye on this thread for the mean time please make do.
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#42 2013/10/21 06:07:07 |
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Genuinely cannot see what the issue is here. Speed B seems decent to me for a 1 handed axe with shield let alone a 2 handed axe.
If it is proving to have been nerfed and is gimping the class then why not suggest a slight increase and test again rather than just asking for a+? I just can't get my head around so many people complaining about an aura that very few players have yet? Would be interested in some decent feedback from the chars with 4th who have used for a bit with leveling and PvP. Surely going from speed E/D to B is not a total loss, after all it makes it the second fastest weapon only to knuckle. Personally don't feel an axe should ever be able to hit at A+ regardless of aura or buff. Then again I don't really give a shit, just trying to open up the conversation to more than a beg thread.
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[quote="QUIMM"]Genuinely cannot see what the issue is here. Speed B seems decent to me for a 1 handed axe with shield let alone a 2 handed axe.
If it is proving to have been nerfed and is gimping the class then why not suggest a slight increase and test again rather than just asking for a+? I just can't get my head around so many people complaining about an aura that very few players have yet? Would be interested in some decent feedback from the chars with 4th who have used for a bit with leveling and PvP. Surely going from speed E/D to B is not a total loss, after all it makes it the second fastest weapon only to knuckle.
Personally don't feel an axe should ever be able to hit at A+ regardless of aura or buff. Then again I don't really give a shit, just trying to open up the conversation to more than a beg thread.[/quote]
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#43 2013/10/21 12:29:07 |
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"QUIMM"Genuinely cannot see what the issue is here. Speed B seems decent to me for a 1 handed axe with shield let alone a 2 handed axe. B speed is probly fine to hunt with, the problem comes when an axer trys to pvp any one with a decent amount of dex, then we req the speed to land hits knuckle req's the spd to make more hits than others to do dmg Axer req's the spd to make up for the miss's to do dmg
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[quote="RED"][quote="QUIMM"]Genuinely cannot see what the issue is here. Speed B seems decent to me for a 1 handed axe with shield let alone a 2 handed axe.
If it is proving to have been nerfed and is gimping the class then why not suggest a slight increase and test again rather than just asking for a+? I just can't get my head around so many people complaining about an aura that very few players have yet? Would be interested in some decent feedback from the chars with 4th who have used for a bit with leveling and PvP. Surely going from speed E/D to B is not a total loss, after all it makes it the second fastest weapon only to knuckle.
Personally don't feel an axe should ever be able to hit at A+ regardless of aura or buff. Then again I don't really give a shit, just trying to open up the conversation to more than a beg thread.[/quote]
B speed is probly fine to hunt with, the problem comes when an axer trys to pvp any one with a decent amount of dex, then we req the speed to land hits
knuckle req's the spd to make more hits than others to do dmg
Axer req's the spd to make up for the miss's to do dmg[/quote]
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#44 2013/10/21 13:55:20 |
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"RED"B speed is probly fine to hunt with, the problem comes when an axer trys to pvp any one with a decent amount of dex, then we req the speed to land hits Perfect cheers, exactly what I was looking for. I was thinking too much about the hunting rather than the PvP and had only skimmed through the thread due to lack of quality posts. I personally loved Dsoma Axer after 4th, by far my favorite class. The main strength was the sheer speed you could level at with it. Other classes by far out dexed you but due to the sheer speed you tanked through levels it didn't matter too much as you were always higher than most of them. Can't speak for this server though, be interesting to see if the axers with 4th do a shower of leveling and how they fair against people.
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[quote="QUIMM"][quote="RED"]B speed is probly fine to hunt with, the problem comes when an axer trys to pvp any one with a decent amount of dex, then we req the speed to land hits
knuckle req's the spd to make more hits than others to do dmg
Axer req's the spd to make up for the miss's to do dmg[/quote]
Perfect cheers, exactly what I was looking for. I was thinking too much about the hunting rather than the PvP and had only skimmed through the thread due to lack of quality posts.
I personally loved Dsoma Axer after 4th, by far my favorite class. The main strength was the sheer speed you could level at with it. Other classes by far out dexed you but due to the sheer speed you tanked through levels it didn't matter too much as you were always higher than most of them.
Can't speak for this server though, be interesting to see if the axers with 4th do a shower of leveling and how they fair against people.[/quote]
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