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Double post.
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#136 2013/10/25 00:22:17 |
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"NAIKOFIG""SCOIN" Oo did i say I expected to kill high level devils? All we ever get on here from devils is how hard done by most of you are if you think your going to be prevented from pwning all and every human who turns up to the war. What your concerned about with nerfing is exactly the situation most humans face every war. The was another topic about moving guild village time to fit in with the Chinese players and someone implied that the current war time was due to it fitting in with the timezone of most players. Well as you devs keep reminding us, there are far more human players so why should the minority have the right to own the best map in the game EVERY week?
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[quote="SCOIN"][quote="NAIKOFIG"][quote="SCOIN"]
But it's ok for mid level humans to feel its not even worth it even when devs are at 62.5%
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its not ok for devils or humans but just like i dont expect to kill style or malific you shoudldnt expect to kill high lvl devils.instead of nerfing everything into the ground
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Oo did i say I expected to kill high level devils?
All we ever get on here from devils is how hard done by most of you are if you think your going to be prevented from pwning all and every human who turns up to the war.
What your concerned about with nerfing is exactly the situation most humans face every war.
The was another topic about moving guild village time to fit in with the Chinese players and someone implied that the current war time was due to it fitting in with the timezone of most players. Well as you devs keep reminding us, there are far more human players so why should the minority have the right to own the best map in the game EVERY week?
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#137 2013/10/25 00:23:08 |
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It could prove resourceful for Human players not to attend future wars temporarily. Though slim opportunity for victory may be missed.
This server gameplay reflects that of ESoma, where Devil's were introduced after Human's, ESoma never received the readjusted balancing updates KSoma did. IMO (and I'm sticking to it) the problem is within the two world's launching simultaneously under said structure. Devil's will be significantly stronger for a period of time. Though over time, if Human's stay dedicated, new players don't leave (or switch to Devil's World), their numbers should make for more competitive wars. Things will soon get better. Hopefully players can air their frustration on some Halloween Event mobs next week, as oppose of eachother? :)
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[quote="KING"]It could prove resourceful for Human players not to attend future wars temporarily. Though slim opportunity for victory may be missed.
This server gameplay reflects that of ESoma, where Devil's were introduced after Human's, ESoma never received the readjusted balancing updates KSoma did. IMO (and I'm sticking to it) the problem is within the two world's launching simultaneously under said structure. Devil's will be significantly stronger for a period of time. Though over time, if Human's stay dedicated, new players don't leave (or switch to Devil's World), their numbers should make for more competitive wars. Things will soon get better.
Hopefully players can air their frustration on some Halloween Event mobs next week, as oppose of eachother? :)[/quote]
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#138 2013/10/25 02:15:20 |
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If you want the wotw to be 'fair' for both worlds then all that is needed is an increase or decrease to devil stats depending on a win or loss with no lower cap. If devils hit 100%, then humans start to lose % each week. A reset of the % on a first win is ensuring that the devils hold it for many weeks before humans will even bother to turn up. A dynamic % change like this ensures that the wars will always be as even as possible.
The problem this causes is that you can know that if you don't really bother to go, it will always be easier next week and in the long term the ownership will be 50/50 whether people are really trying or not. Also this may alienate the lower level devils, but that's the cost of owning conti for weeks on end. This is fair in terms of map ownership, but perhaps not fair in terms of effort put into leveling or money spent on pots. I don't see how you can get a magical fair % when both worlds are so radically different and so many variables effect the outcome of each war. A change like this will last into late game and can shift with human to devil player numbers. It will always correct itself to a point where the fights are even. I'd like to know the thoughts on this.
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[quote="PLUM"]If you want the wotw to be 'fair' for both worlds then all that is needed is an increase or decrease to devil stats depending on a win or loss with no lower cap. If devils hit 100%, then humans start to lose % each week. A reset of the % on a first win is ensuring that the devils hold it for many weeks before humans will even bother to turn up. A dynamic % change like this ensures that the wars will always be as even as possible.
The problem this causes is that you can know that if you don't really bother to go, it will always be easier next week and in the long term the ownership will be 50/50 whether people are really trying or not. Also this may alienate the lower level devils, but that's the cost of owning conti for weeks on end.
This is fair in terms of map ownership, but perhaps not fair in terms of effort put into leveling or money spent on pots. I don't see how you can get a magical fair % when both worlds are so radically different and so many variables effect the outcome of each war.
A change like this will last into late game and can shift with human to devil player numbers. It will always correct itself to a point where the fights are even.
I'd like to know the thoughts on this.[/quote]
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#139 2013/10/25 03:17:40 |
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ISYLVER [Staff] |
This is already in place ;o
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#140 2013/10/25 05:10:28 |
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Perhaps a few things could be cleared up about the current system.
Is there a lower limit to the %? Does the % reset when the map changes hands? - Finito talked about a base 65% for devils that would be monitored and modified. In the current system, humans cannot exceed 100%. When humans win, will they decrease by 2.5% or does it wait until devils are at 67.5% before humans will decrease to 97.5%?
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[quote="PLUM"]Perhaps a few things could be cleared up about the current system.
Is there a lower limit to the %?
Does the % reset when the map changes hands? - Finito talked about a base 65% for devils that would be monitored and modified.
In the current system, humans cannot exceed 100%. When humans win, will they decrease by 2.5% or does it wait until devils are at 67.5% before humans will decrease to 97.5%?[/quote]
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#141 2013/10/25 07:22:43 |
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There's a max limit of 100 and now no lower limit i believe.
Although I've been waiting weeks for this reboot to take place. Currently it drops 2.5 for defenders and increases 2.5 for attackers (after there has been at least one defense). The next war will be custom though so I urge a large turnout.
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[quote="ISYLVER"]There's a max limit of 100 and now no lower limit i believe.
Although I've been waiting weeks for this reboot to take place. Currently it drops 2.5 for defenders and increases 2.5 for attackers (after there has been at least one defense).
The next war will be custom though so I urge a large turnout. [/quote]
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#142 2013/10/25 07:29:27 |
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Of course EQ will be attending
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#143 2013/10/25 09:56:21 |
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"CARNAGE""MUSTAINE" I wasnt talking out of my arse, I was simply showing you how others could perceive you to be based on your previous posts. According to you I should 'come back when im not in 53 str armour'. So at what point doea my opinion become valid? Bone? I dont understand your logic. I said good luck irl as if you used the same philosophy (constant contradiction and immature 'lets laugh at him because he doesnt play for 6 hours a day and isnt my level') arguing or debating any real life subject, intelligent people would simply turn their back on you for acting akin to a child. Correct this is a forum but I still post with words generated from my mind and my morals. I am not roleplaying or acting to be someone else and I dont think a forum gives me the excuse to act like a prick and hide behind a screen, however according to your post, you do.
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[quote="MUSTAINE"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="MUSTAINE"]
Your response really does some up the general attitude of the hardcore players on this server (and in this game in general). Any opinion of a person who does not spend an unhealthy amount on this game is apparently instantly disregarded.[/quote]
I don't disregard the comments and opinions of lower level characters at all, I disregard the comments of people who try to rephrase my quotes trying to be cute and start talking out of their arse.
[quote="STU"]I just realised that you judged me based on my virtual avatar, deary me. Good luck irl pal.[/quote]
Why would I need luck? I'm doing just great :) could say the exact same to you. Saying I need luck irl because of a forum post? lmao, to mention hypocrisy then say that, that hole you're digging yourself must be great.
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I wasnt talking out of my arse, I was simply showing you how others could perceive you to be based on your previous posts.
According to you I should 'come back when im not in 53 str armour'. So at what point doea my opinion become valid? Bone? I dont understand your logic. I said good luck irl as if you used the same philosophy (constant contradiction and immature 'lets laugh at him because he doesnt play for 6 hours a day and isnt my level') arguing or debating any real life subject, intelligent people would simply turn their back on you for acting akin to a child.
Correct this is a forum but I still post with words generated from my mind and my morals. I am not roleplaying or acting to be someone else and I dont think a forum gives me the excuse to act like a prick and hide behind a screen, however according to your post, you do.[/quote]
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#144 2013/10/25 11:57:12 |
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MUSTAINE |
P.s. I fail to see how I am now being accused of being a hypocrite, could you explain?
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#145 2013/10/25 12:02:36 |
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"MUSTAINE"P.s. I fail to see how I am now being accused of being a hypocrite, could you explain? Banging on about me judging you based on your character then doing the exact same thing judging me irl by a forum post, does that not sound a tad bit hypocritical to you?
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="MUSTAINE"]P.s. I fail to see how I am now being accused of being a hypocrite, could you explain?[/quote]
Banging on about me judging you based on your character then doing the exact same thing judging me irl by a forum post, does that not sound a tad bit hypocritical to you?
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#146 2013/10/25 14:10:11 |
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NAIKOFIG |
"SHATTERSTAR" so again its about winning and not balance |
#147 2013/10/25 14:24:05 |
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NAIKOFIG |
"PLUM" its not just lower lvl devils its every1 below 70+
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[quote="NAIKOFIG"][quote="PLUM"]
The problem this causes is that you can know that if you don't really bother to go, it will always be easier next week and in the long term the ownership will be 50/50 whether people are really trying or not. Also this may alienate the lower level devils, but that's the cost of owning conti for weeks on end.
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its not just lower lvl devils its every1 below 70+
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#148 2013/10/25 14:29:16 |
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"NAIKOFIG""SHATTERSTAR" Balance is never going to happen. While Mr No Life and Mr mutli can play until until there heart is content they will create a small group of high levels which will be used for comparison. By taking the top humans and devils and leaving out Mr steady you are trying to balance the server for a small minority. Mr Steady would love to catch up except wraith pit is rammed and then DW's because there alternative or even better is on Conti. Mr Multi is fine for now and they will end up just getting griefed or deleted. Guess who is left? that is right Mr Steady, except Mr Steady got fed up and quit after being told to STFU or Stop whining by other players because they are only in plate and should not even have an opinion or come to the war expecting to win. Keep Mr Steady happy and you will see a better server imo.
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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"][quote="NAIKOFIG"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"]
I could not give a shit about killing any devil, I do give a shit about humans not being able to win and get conti in the current state.[/quote]
so again its about winning and not balance[/quote]
Balance is never going to happen. While Mr No Life and Mr mutli can play until until there heart is content they will create a small group of high levels which will be used for comparison. By taking the top humans and devils and leaving out Mr steady you are trying to balance the server for a small minority. Mr Steady would love to catch up except wraith pit is rammed and then DW's because there alternative or even better is on Conti.
Mr Multi is fine for now and they will end up just getting griefed or deleted. Guess who is left? that is right Mr Steady, except Mr Steady got fed up and quit after being told to STFU or Stop whining by other players because they are only in plate and should not even have an opinion or come to the war expecting to win.
Keep Mr Steady happy and you will see a better server imo.[/quote]
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#149 2013/10/25 14:50:38 |
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"CARNAGE"Banging on about me judging you based on your character then doing the exact same thing judging me irl by a forum post, does that not sound a tad bit hypocritical to you? No. This is real life, what you are reading and posting is real. If your persona of Carnage is in fact some made up being that does not reflect your real ego and it's opinions (i.e. you are roleplaying), then I apologize for taking it seriously!
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[quote="MUSTAINE"][quote="CARNAGE"]Banging on about me judging you based on your character then doing the exact same thing judging me irl by a forum post, does that not sound a tad bit hypocritical to you?
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No. This is real life, what you are reading and posting is real. If your persona of Carnage is in fact some made up being that does not reflect your real ego and it's opinions (i.e. you are roleplaying), then I apologize for taking it seriously![/quote]
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#150 2013/10/25 15:02:43 |
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