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"REAPER"You do know it's pointless arguing with devil players, they will do everything in their power to defend them not being overpowered in PVP, without conti they really are stuck to level. The fact we are arguing on 62.5% just proves how stupid it is lol. yet every week even the gms themself have blamed the numbers and before that lack of top end spells for all the losses. people need to speak up n complain because its out of hand. normally theres about 3 of use that actually speak up. devils are simply retarded for making posts claiming its fair in anyway. at 80% it should have been sorted not nearly 50%
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[quote="KOVARAS"][quote="REAPER"]You do know it's pointless arguing with devil players, they will do everything in their power to defend them not being overpowered in PVP, without conti they really are stuck to level. The fact we are arguing on 62.5% just proves how stupid it is lol.[/quote]
yet every week even the gms themself have blamed the numbers and before that lack of top end spells for all the losses. people need to speak up n complain because its out of hand. normally theres about 3 of use that actually speak up. devils are simply retarded for making posts claiming its fair in anyway. at 80% it should have been sorted not nearly 50%[/quote]
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#46 2013/10/21 20:17:41 |
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"SHATTERSTAR""CARNAGE""NITROSTEALTH""CARNAGE"If that's case Malefic must be one brute of a character because he had everyone on him for ages, I actually think with the right support that guy was more than capable of holding a stone considering he did it by himself with little to no support at all. I'm not arguing against that, my point is that was about 8(6? forgot max spot number) devs circled around Malefic that shouldn't have been while you're all sat outside the door. I ran outside and thought wtf why are there so many outside do they not know what the time is lol followed by perma slow/blind/weakening. Couldn't do fa had to wait for a moment and run back in lol.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="NITROSTEALTH"][quote="CARNAGE"]If that's case Malefic must be one brute of a character because he had everyone on him for ages, I actually think with the right support that guy was more than capable of holding a stone considering he did it by himself with little to no support at all.[/quote]
30secs at most = ages ?[/quote]
Considering he was fully circled by range one devils that's pretty decent, throw in enough people to block those spots and he could of done more than 30 seconds easily especially getting on the stone at the right time.
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While that is true, the support is more like cannon fodder. Would you not just pick off the weak humans first, and then waste Malefic? Also we need two stones and not one.
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I'm not arguing against that, my point is that was about 8(6? forgot max spot number) devs circled around Malefic that shouldn't have been while you're all sat outside the door. I ran outside and thought wtf why are there so many outside do they not know what the time is lol followed by perma slow/blind/weakening. Couldn't do fa had to wait for a moment and run back in lol.
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#47 2013/10/21 20:17:41 |
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Devs shine early, humans later because the way stats work, with how slow wisdom is after 100 on dsoma i will be gaining close to no more MD, humans MD is int and wont slowdown after 95 as much as wisdom does on dsoma, and this is speaking as a mage, a melee dev will barely go much past 90/95 wis
i dont even gain 1-1MD a lvl anymore even after 70 as a mage on dsoma so devils will barely get anymore md than they currently have in diab, and some peoples int even hurt me in diab and it will only get worse from now As for archers stopping every1 casting its annoying yes i get it myself at gvw's but i think click lock should be removed from being used on players, as for wotw there is an insane amount of devs playing to its hard to outnumber the amount of archers even as humans right now
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[quote="MONSTER"]Devs shine early, humans later because the way stats work, with how slow wisdom is after 100 on dsoma i will be gaining close to no more MD, humans MD is int and wont slowdown after 95 as much as wisdom does on dsoma, and this is speaking as a mage, a melee dev will barely go much past 90/95 wis
i dont even gain 1-1MD a lvl anymore even after 70 as a mage on dsoma so devils will barely get anymore md than they currently have in diab, and some peoples int even hurt me in diab and it will only get worse from now
As for archers stopping every1 casting its annoying yes i get it myself at gvw's but i think click lock should be removed from being used on players, as for wotw there is an insane amount of devs playing to its hard to outnumber the amount of archers even as humans right now[/quote]
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#48 2013/10/21 20:20:38 |
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"MONSTER"Devs shine early, humans later because the way stats work, with how slow wisdom is after 100 on dsoma i will be gaining close to no more MD, humans MD is int and wont slowdown after 95 as much as wisdom does on dsoma, and this is speaking as a mage, a melee dev will barely go much past 90/95 wis so all the humans who don't have the top spells from conti will just have to wait for a few months then? Doesn't apply to me btw as I have if and db and have a couple weeks till ill be able to get fw, but if the humans that are coming up in int now cant get the top spells they will level even slower and the devs will just keep getting farther and farther ahead. I give up tbh, whats the point in making my self a target from the forum in the game when no one seems to see how fucked up the wow is. devs would be happy if they didn't have to bother fighting humans once a week to keep their top map and the way it going that exactly what will happen. No humans will bother wasting time, pots, dura and pos on the war and it will become a non event, which is a shame :(
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[quote="SCOIN"][quote="MONSTER"]Devs shine early, humans later because the way stats work, with how slow wisdom is after 100 on dsoma i will be gaining close to no more MD, humans MD is int and wont slowdown after 95 as much as wisdom does on dsoma, and this is speaking as a mage, a melee dev will barely go much past 90/95 wis
i dont even gain 1-1MD a lvl anymore even after 70 as a mage on dsoma so devils will barely get anymore md than they currently have in diab, and some peoples int even hurt me in diab and it will only get worse from now[/quote]
so all the humans who don't have the top spells from conti will just have to wait for a few months then?
Doesn't apply to me btw as I have if and db and have a couple weeks till ill be able to get fw, but if the humans that are coming up in int now cant get the top spells they will level even slower and the devs will just keep getting farther and farther ahead.
I give up tbh, whats the point in making my self a target from the forum in the game when no one seems to see how fucked up the wow is. devs would be happy if they didn't have to bother fighting humans once a week to keep their top map and the way it going that exactly what will happen. No humans will bother wasting time, pots, dura and pos on the war and it will become a non event, which is a shame :(
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#49 2013/10/21 20:35:02 |
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"MONSTER"Devs shine early, humans later because the way stats work, with how slow wisdom is after 100 on dsoma i will be gaining close to no more MD, humans MD is int and wont slowdown after 95 as much as wisdom does on dsoma, and this is speaking as a mage, a melee dev will barely go much past 90/95 wis thats why devil soma should not have been launch at the same time as human soma and been as it has been it needs balancing
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[quote="KOVARAS"][quote="MONSTER"]Devs shine early, humans later because the way stats work, with how slow wisdom is after 100 on dsoma i will be gaining close to no more MD, humans MD is int and wont slowdown after 95 as much as wisdom does on dsoma, and this is speaking as a mage, a melee dev will barely go much past 90/95 wis
i dont even gain 1-1MD a lvl anymore even after 70 as a mage on dsoma so devils will barely get anymore md than they currently have in diab, and some peoples int even hurt me in diab and it will only get worse from now[/quote]
thats why devil soma should not have been launch at the same time as human soma and been as it has been it needs balancing[/quote]
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#50 2013/10/21 20:35:48 |
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Please don't use style as a reference for human damage. Everyone knows he is an anomaly, who doesn't even count in WotW as he is dev moral and can't even go the the throne room.
Malefic tanked about 15 devs for 20 seconds, yeah. But only after you guys had killed everyone that was supporting him. The fact was, we held the centre stone for a while, but that needed like 20 people while link was standing on it. Numerous times some of the top devils where weakened and taking hits from 20 or more humans including some of the top humans in the game. There will be no bigger number turnouts that this war, so I can't see humans winning until it goes to 50% or less. And I can see a lot of people giving up again next week, because it's an issue that just keeps getting ignored. I would have thought you devs would want more fun even fights, guess you are just after face rolling week in week out.
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[quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]Please don't use style as a reference for human damage. Everyone knows he is an anomaly, who doesn't even count in WotW as he is dev moral and can't even go the the throne room.
Malefic tanked about 15 devs for 20 seconds, yeah. But only after you guys had killed everyone that was supporting him.
The fact was, we held the centre stone for a while, but that needed like 20 people while link was standing on it.
Numerous times some of the top devils where weakened and taking hits from 20 or more humans including some of the top humans in the game.
There will be no bigger number turnouts that this war, so I can't see humans winning until it goes to 50% or less.
And I can see a lot of people giving up again next week, because it's an issue that just keeps getting ignored.
I would have thought you devs would want more fun even fights, guess you are just after face rolling week in week out. [/quote]
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#51 2013/10/21 21:24:12 |
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Take the average level of a dev compared to average human and you have half the problem,
WHY cant retarded humans accept that a level 45-50 human should never be able to destroy 70+ devils regardless of what % we're on. I'm 53 and I wouldn't expect to kill malefic even if we were 100%. Devils can ONLY LEVEL we have no other option, we don't spend time carebearing in town crafing and roleplaying. spend LESS time doing stupid shit and get on the grind like we do. Devil soma was released after human soma on esoma yes, however we've had our levelling mobs from level 30 onwards reduced in XP by 33% as you can PLAINLY SEE in the release notes. That is a big balancing act so we level a "similar" rate to you. Humans are stronger later on in the game, so keep levelling, suck it up and stop crying you little bitches. P.S. You could have won the war last week, the week before that had all your top players turned up consistently, and you managed to organise. We have people calling targets and COMMUNICATING. Think it's fun as a devil? I have to stand watching a human in banded and plate armor tank my damage with *** above their head. Soon as humans stop expecting to drop Tasteless, Monster, Carnage, Slayer then the whole game will balance better. Wonder why the gm's aren't responding to you all humans? because you're arguments are full of stupid non-factual speculation which literally makes everyone laugh. Put a level 53 human vs me and see who runs out of pots first. I guaren-fucking-tee it would be me to tp. PPS. you're complaining that a 4th from style only does a quarter to monsters hp? our top players don't do a quarter of his hp lmao with our "ridiculous" attack you mention. Jokers, the lot of you lol. don't turn up to war stop fucking crying like the game owes you something.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]Take the average level of a dev compared to average human and you have half the problem,
WHY cant retarded humans accept that a level 45-50 human should never be able to destroy 70+ devils regardless of what % we're on. I'm 53 and I wouldn't expect to kill malefic even if we were 100%.
Devils can ONLY LEVEL we have no other option, we don't spend time carebearing in town crafing and roleplaying. spend LESS time doing stupid shit and get on the grind like we do.
Devil soma was released after human soma on esoma yes, however we've had our levelling mobs from level 30 onwards reduced in XP by 33% as you can PLAINLY SEE in the release notes. That is a big balancing act so we level a "similar" rate to you.
Humans are stronger later on in the game, so keep levelling, suck it up and stop crying you little bitches.
P.S. You could have won the war last week, the week before that had all your top players turned up consistently, and you managed to organise. We have people calling targets and COMMUNICATING.
Think it's fun as a devil? I have to stand watching a human in banded and plate armor tank my damage with *** above their head.
Soon as humans stop expecting to drop Tasteless, Monster, Carnage, Slayer then the whole game will balance better.
Wonder why the gm's aren't responding to you all humans? because you're arguments are full of stupid non-factual speculation which literally makes everyone laugh. Put a level 53 human vs me and see who runs out of pots first. I guaren-fucking-tee it would be me to tp.
PPS. you're complaining that a 4th from style only does a quarter to monsters hp? our top players don't do a quarter of his hp lmao with our "ridiculous" attack you mention.
Jokers, the lot of you lol. don't turn up to war stop fucking crying like the game owes you something. [/quote]
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#52 2013/10/21 22:00:34 |
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Neoxian you find someone wrong with your character or a mob you hunt and you ask for it to be changed on the forum. You are a moron.
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#53 2013/10/21 22:10:42 |
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pointless argument, let the gms sort it they know whats coming, so stfu in a few months itll be more like 80% devs becase we cant kill shit
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"NEOXIAN"pointless argument, let the gms sort it they know whats coming, so stfu in a few months itll be more like 80% devs becase we cant kill shit We are playing now not in a few months. The point is BG and LB were buffed to help us. At the moment we cannot use them, while in your own words 'Can we have an alternative spawn, or alternative mob that we can hunt... it's still a stupid principle that devils NEED conti or we're screwed.' Why would you ever argue to make it fair when you are fucked without conti, exactly. You wont this is why it is pointless to argue. Put the boot on the other shoes.
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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"][quote="NEOXIAN"]pointless argument, let the gms sort it they know whats coming, so stfu in a few months itll be more like 80% devs becase we cant kill shit[/quote]
We are playing now not in a few months. The point is BG and LB were buffed to help us. At the moment we cannot use them, while in your own words
'Can we have an alternative spawn, or alternative mob that we can hunt... it's still a stupid principle that devils NEED conti or we're screwed.'
Why would you ever argue to make it fair when you are fucked without conti, exactly. You wont this is why it is pointless to argue. Put the boot on the other shoes.[/quote]
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#55 2013/10/21 22:18:42 |
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"SHATTERSTAR""NEOXIAN"pointless argument, let the gms sort it they know whats coming, so stfu in a few months itll be more like 80% devs becase we cant kill shit Devils are not screwed without Conti. Conti just means we level faster and get better drops.
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"][quote="NEOXIAN"]pointless argument, let the gms sort it they know whats coming, so stfu in a few months itll be more like 80% devs becase we cant kill shit[/quote]
We are playing now not in a few months. The point is BG and LB were buffed to help us. At the moment we cannot use them, while in your own words
'Can we have an alternative spawn, or alternative mob that we can hunt... it's still a stupid principle that devils NEED conti or we're screwed.'
Why would you ever argue to make it fair when you are fucked without conti, exactly. You wont this is why it is pointless to argue. Put the boot on the other shoes.[/quote]
Devils are not screwed without Conti. Conti just means we level faster and get better drops.[/quote]
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#56 2013/10/21 22:31:09 |
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such a retarded post neoxian.
who here is suggesting we should be able to drop the top devils in game? no1. ill break it down your you abit because you have clearly missing the point. As you have pointed out the devils do level faster than humans in genral. there are far more high level devils than humans. we are not suggesting that we should be able to 2 hit these animals but at 62.5% they should not be doing the extreme damage that they are doing. I was parting random people at war to show them n prove the disbelievers wrong about how much damage i was taking. Am an average human not strong or weak. and i litrilly can not out pot the damage of 2 devils hitting me at the same time. at 62.5% this is just outrageous. we may need numbers to kill a devil but we also need a reasonable chance of staying alive if we get hit. 33% reduction in leveling speed after level 30 is not going to counter the years of extra leveling humans had on euro soma. should have been 50% then maybe we would have stood a chance stats on devils armor and weps due to new tag system is better than ever, providing you with alot of extra def n damage. Good tag low level devil armor can compare to bone. we could not have won the war last week so stfu. its not even arguable. 2.5% is not a massive difference on attack n def. if we carnt do it with an army like this week there was no chance last. we simply got lucky 1 week where loads of humans turn up n not many devils(yes im there every week to say that) as your your point about us not calling out targets to attack n communicating well.. you try typing when you can get 2 or 3 hit you can not consider style a normal human. hes one of the biggest well know super multis. we did not bring him up at all a devil did, it was pointed out that when he can only do that little damage what chance to the rest of us have and another devil just as retarded as you claimed well it would only take him a couple more hits to take his full hp with out even considering that hes on 62.5% def lol so wrong You devils have been playing the same drum now for what 6 or 7 weeks? at what % do you thing its gonna be fair for a human to stand a chance 1v1 lol? 1 retarded devil after the next saying its fine, even tho its 62.5%. at this point it should be just accepted how 1 sided it is. carnt remember who said it but it does appear the devils dont want a fair fight, just a walk over ever week. well you can walk over less n less of us every week
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[quote="KOVARAS"]such a retarded post neoxian.
who here is suggesting we should be able to drop the top devils in game? no1. ill break it down your you abit because you have clearly missing the point. As you have pointed out the devils do level faster than humans in genral. there are far more high level devils than humans. we are not suggesting that we should be able to 2 hit these animals but at 62.5% they should not be doing the extreme damage that they are doing. I was parting random people at war to show them n prove the disbelievers wrong about how much damage i was taking. Am an average human not strong or weak. and i litrilly can not out pot the damage of 2 devils hitting me at the same time. at 62.5% this is just outrageous. we may need numbers to kill a devil but we also need a reasonable chance of staying alive if we get hit.
33% reduction in leveling speed after level 30 is not going to counter the years of extra leveling humans had on euro soma. should have been 50% then maybe we would have stood a chance
stats on devils armor and weps due to new tag system is better than ever, providing you with alot of extra def n damage. Good tag low level devil armor can compare to bone.
we could not have won the war last week so stfu. its not even arguable. 2.5% is not a massive difference on attack n def. if we carnt do it with an army like this week there was no chance last. we simply got lucky 1 week where loads of humans turn up n not many devils(yes im there every week to say that)
as your your point about us not calling out targets to attack n communicating well.. you try typing when you can get 2 or 3 hit
you can not consider style a normal human. hes one of the biggest well know super multis. we did not bring him up at all a devil did, it was pointed out that when he can only do that little damage what chance to the rest of us have and another devil just as retarded as you claimed well it would only take him a couple more hits to take his full hp with out even considering that hes on 62.5% def lol so wrong
You devils have been playing the same drum now for what 6 or 7 weeks? at what % do you thing its gonna be fair for a human to stand a chance 1v1 lol?
1 retarded devil after the next saying its fine, even tho its 62.5%. at this point it should be just accepted how 1 sided it is.
carnt remember who said it but it does appear the devils dont want a fair fight, just a walk over ever week. well you can walk over less n less of us every week[/quote]
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#57 2013/10/21 22:33:58 |
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"KOVARAS"such a retarded post neoxian. tl;dr, can't help but notice that you seem constantly mad calling people retards and what not. |
#58 2013/10/21 22:49:02 |
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He might not be the most polite or politically correct person in hsoma, but you can't argue with what he has been saying.
Everything he says is pretty much true, he just doesn't have a polite way of saying it. You guys could help out by actually acknowledging some of the problems exist, instead of peddling the same old crap after every war. We turned up in numbers, with our top chars, and we got owned. 2 of our best characters can't even get into the throne room. Next week it will be 60% and we will get owned again. Then what? The cap can't go any lower. What will the excuse for keeping this the same be then? We don't want an auto win conti. We just want a solution that gives us a fighting chance and a reason to turn up. Cause at the moment it's just a dura and pot waste.
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[quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]He might not be the most polite or politically correct person in hsoma, but you can't argue with what he has been saying.
Everything he says is pretty much true, he just doesn't have a polite way of saying it.
You guys could help out by actually acknowledging some of the problems exist, instead of peddling the same old crap after every war.
We turned up in numbers, with our top chars, and we got owned. 2 of our best characters can't even get into the throne room. Next week it will be 60% and we will get owned again. Then what? The cap can't go any lower. What will the excuse for keeping this the same be then?
We don't want an auto win conti. We just want a solution that gives us a fighting chance and a reason to turn up. Cause at the moment it's just a dura and pot waste.[/quote]
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"OPENTHEDOOR"He might not be the most polite or politically correct person in hsoma, but you can't argue with what he has been saying. TBH, we are acknowledging the problems. And it does not matter if what he says is true or not, the fact is he is not offering any suitible solutions and refuses to listen to logic even if it slaps him in the face. Instead of whining or acknowledging the whiners, how about offering solutions, or supporting solutions suggested by others? http://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=773&title=WoTW+%25+&Page=1 There's also suggestions by people to add more incentive for Humans to want Conti, my favourites are (among others): Wraith Spawn Prismatic Shadow Spawn Set Humans to 110% while the own Conti (as a result they will level faster, and be able to hunt stronger monsters for their level)
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]He might not be the most polite or politically correct person in hsoma, but you can't argue with what he has been saying.
Everything he says is pretty much true, he just doesn't have a polite way of saying it.
You guys could help out by actually acknowledging some of the problems exist, instead of peddling the same old crap after every war.
We turned up in numbers, with our top chars, and we got owned. 2 of our best characters can't even get into the throne room. Next week it will be 60% and we will get owned again. Then what? The cap can't go any lower. What will the excuse for keeping this the same be then?
We don't want an auto win conti. We just want a solution that gives us a fighting chance and a reason to turn up. Cause at the moment it's just a dura and pot waste.[/quote]
TBH, we are acknowledging the problems. And it does not matter if what he says is true or not, the fact is he is not offering any suitible solutions and refuses to listen to logic even if it slaps him in the face.
Instead of whining or acknowledging the whiners, how about offering solutions, or supporting solutions suggested by others?
http://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=773&title=WoTW+%25+&Page=1
There's also suggestions by people to add more incentive for Humans to want Conti, my favourites are (among others):
Wraith Spawn
Prismatic Shadow Spawn
Set Humans to 110% while the own Conti (as a result they will level faster, and be able to hunt stronger monsters for their level)[/quote]
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