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CAPPILIO	No. That is all. PM Reply Quote [quote="CAPPILIO"]No. That is all.[/quote]	#16 2013/10/22 20:54:17
MANTICORE	"CHOJINE"Devils appear overpowered currently because they rely on simple grinding stats to provide them their power. Humans rely on grinding, then getting top tier items, like eva / accy, etc. Humans come into their own end game. We all know this, we spent how many years on e soma? P.S. Would it kill us all to work together at WotW? We might actually win then :P This pretty much but im guessing humans dont want to listen. about your ps Not Gonna Happen for obvious reasons unless some of em put aside their hatred towards some ppl and decide to work together. PM Reply Quote [quote="MANTICORE"][quote="CHOJINE"]Devils appear overpowered currently because they rely on simple grinding stats to provide them their power. Humans rely on grinding, then getting top tier items, like eva / accy, etc. Humans come into their own end game. We all know this, we spent how many years on e soma? P.S. Would it kill us all to work together at WotW? We might actually win then :P[/quote] This pretty much but im guessing humans dont want to listen. about your ps Not Gonna Happen for obvious reasons unless some of em put aside their hatred towards some ppl and decide to work together. [/quote]	#17 2013/10/23 00:02:28
ISHARIE	"MANTICORE" "CHOJINE"Devils appear overpowered currently because they rely on simple grinding stats to provide them their power. Humans rely on grinding, then getting top tier items, like eva / accy, etc. Humans come into their own end game. We all know this, we spent how many years on e soma? P.S. Would it kill us all to work together at WotW? We might actually win then :P This pretty much but im guessing humans dont want to listen. about your ps Not Gonna Happen for obvious reasons unless some of em put aside their hatred towards some ppl and decide to work together. I suspect hell will freeze over first, after playing Dsoma for a bit I'd say the key to devils doing so well is team work and communication between the higher levels during wotw as was pointed out they have spotters calling out who to kill humans should take a few lessons from this. PM Reply Quote [quote="ISHARIE"][quote="MANTICORE"][quote="CHOJINE"]Devils appear overpowered currently because they rely on simple grinding stats to provide them their power. Humans rely on grinding, then getting top tier items, like eva / accy, etc. Humans come into their own end game. We all know this, we spent how many years on e soma? P.S. Would it kill us all to work together at WotW? We might actually win then :P[/quote] This pretty much but im guessing humans dont want to listen. about your ps Not Gonna Happen for obvious reasons unless some of em put aside their hatred towards some ppl and decide to work together. [/quote] I suspect hell will freeze over first, after playing Dsoma for a bit I'd say the key to devils doing so well is team work and communication between the higher levels during wotw as was pointed out they have spotters calling out who to kill humans should take a few lessons from this. [/quote]	#18 2013/10/23 09:11:19
SCOIN	Its easy spotting and all attacking single humans for the devils when they are standing outside the safe zone and the humans are inside safe zone. Human sreps out and the devs all have a target. The point is that the high devs have no need to communicate as they can kill 99% of humans easily on there own with no help from others. In any case, with the amount of mid levels dev archers landing nearly every hit, humans cant cast db enough to take devils down so its pointless trying. Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them. So the end result is that its pointless attending the war, if less humans consider it worth going the spells will stay locked away. PM Reply Quote [quote="SCOIN"]Its easy spotting and all attacking single humans for the devils when they are standing outside the safe zone and the humans are inside safe zone. Human sreps out and the devs all have a target. The point is that the high devs have no need to communicate as they can kill 99% of humans easily on there own with no help from others. In any case, with the amount of mid levels dev archers landing nearly every hit, humans cant cast db enough to take devils down so its pointless trying. Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them. So the end result is that its pointless attending the war, if less humans consider it worth going the spells will stay locked away. [/quote]	#19 2013/10/23 09:38:29
ISHARIE	"SCOIN"Its easy spotting and all attacking single humans for the devils when they are standing outside the safe zone and the humans are inside safe zone. Human sreps out and the devs all have a target. The point is that the high devs have no need to communicate as they can kill 99% of humans easily on there own with no help from others. In any case, with the amount of mid levels dev archers landing nearly every hit, humans cant cast db enough to take devils down so its pointless trying. Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them. So the end result is that its pointless attending the war, if less humans consider it worth going the spells will stay locked away. Sorry you're in gold armour using what looks like a silver bow? Tbh that isn't high dex not even close to been high dex by any means. My Human vs Devil stats aren't that much different, devil has a bit more dex but less str as an archer, use slow/blind feather ect. been in a static location will only end up with you been slapped around. PM Reply Quote [quote="ISHARIE"][quote="SCOIN"]Its easy spotting and all attacking single humans for the devils when they are standing outside the safe zone and the humans are inside safe zone. Human sreps out and the devs all have a target. The point is that the high devs have no need to communicate as they can kill 99% of humans easily on there own with no help from others. In any case, with the amount of mid levels dev archers landing nearly every hit, humans cant cast db enough to take devils down so its pointless trying. Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them. So the end result is that its pointless attending the war, if less humans consider it worth going the spells will stay locked away. [/quote] Sorry you're in gold armour using what looks like a silver bow? Tbh that isn't high dex not even close to been high dex by any means. My Human vs Devil stats aren't that much different, devil has a bit more dex but less str as an archer, use slow/blind feather ect. been in a static location will only end up with you been slapped around. [/quote]	#20 2013/10/23 13:09:02
SCOIN	"ISHARIE" "SCOIN"Its easy spotting and all attacking single humans for the devils when they are standing outside the safe zone and the humans are inside safe zone. Human sreps out and the devs all have a target. The point is that the high devs have no need to communicate as they can kill 99% of humans easily on there own with no help from others. In any case, with the amount of mid levels dev archers landing nearly every hit, humans cant cast db enough to take devils down so its pointless trying. Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them. So the end result is that its pointless attending the war, if less humans consider it worth going the spells will stay locked away. Sorry you're in gold armour using what looks like a silver bow? Tbh that isn't high dex not even close to been high dex by any means. My Human vs Devil stats aren't that much different, devil has a bit more dex but less str as an archer, use slow/blind feather ect. been in a static location will only end up with you been slapped around. Thats the point. Dev archer doing little damage should nt hit with every arrow. Put another way. If on that % the archer is doing little damage then he should miss once in a while too but they dont. I didnt say I had high dex I said I dont have high str compared to dex. With yiur logic the archer should have been doing much more damage if he can hit me every time. PM Reply Quote [quote="SCOIN"][quote="ISHARIE"][quote="SCOIN"]Its easy spotting and all attacking single humans for the devils when they are standing outside the safe zone and the humans are inside safe zone. Human sreps out and the devs all have a target. The point is that the high devs have no need to communicate as they can kill 99% of humans easily on there own with no help from others. In any case, with the amount of mid levels dev archers landing nearly every hit, humans cant cast db enough to take devils down so its pointless trying. Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them. So the end result is that its pointless attending the war, if less humans consider it worth going the spells will stay locked away. [/quote] Sorry you're in gold armour using what looks like a silver bow? Tbh that isn't high dex not even close to been high dex by any means. My Human vs Devil stats aren't that much different, devil has a bit more dex but less str as an archer, use slow/blind feather ect. been in a static location will only end up with you been slapped around. [/quote] Thats the point. Dev archer doing little damage should nt hit with every arrow. Put another way. If on that % the archer is doing little damage then he should miss once in a while too but they dont. I didnt say I had high dex I said I dont have high str compared to dex. With yiur logic the archer should have been doing much more damage if he can hit me every time. [/quote]	#21 2013/10/23 13:14:41
YOSHIMITSU	"ISHARIE" Sorry you're in gold armour using what looks like a silver bow? Tbh that isn't high dex not even close to been high dex by any means. My Human vs Devil stats aren't that much different, devil has a bit more dex but less str as an archer, use slow/blind feather ect. been in a static location will only end up with you been slapped around. Can I just point out that slow, takes twice as long to cast as DB so that's impossible. Even if it does manage to land a hit, you can just serum it away and continue to hit us. Feathers are a good idea, but with the attack lock it doesn't make any difference at all because you can just keep hitting us unless we feather off the screen; this really needs looking in to PM Reply Quote [quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="ISHARIE"] Sorry you're in gold armour using what looks like a silver bow? Tbh that isn't high dex not even close to been high dex by any means. My Human vs Devil stats aren't that much different, devil has a bit more dex but less str as an archer, use slow/blind feather ect. been in a static location will only end up with you been slapped around. [/quote] Can I just point out that slow, takes twice as long to cast as DB so that's impossible. Even if it does manage to land a hit, you can just serum it away and continue to hit us. Feathers are a good idea, but with the attack lock it doesn't make any difference at all because you can just keep hitting us unless we feather off the screen; this really needs looking in to[/quote]	#22 2013/10/23 13:22:02
CARNAGE	"SCOIN"Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them. No offense intended here mate but the fact they were doing 10 damage as you claim says enough but now they're to do 10 damage and not hit a lot?, maybe you should stop trying to 1v1 in what's clearly a group environment because if they were doing so little damage what was stopping you from taking the litttle damage and having someone else cast spells as a team? What's the next complaint, too much stam, hp, mp? maybe we should just give each race a conti type map and delete wotw and be done with it. PM Reply Quote [quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SCOIN"]Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers [b]who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow[/b] but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them.[/quote] No offense intended here mate but the fact they were doing 10 damage as you claim says enough but now they're to do 10 damage and not hit a lot?, maybe you should stop trying to 1v1 in what's clearly a group environment because if they were doing so little damage what was stopping you from taking the litttle damage and having someone else cast spells as a team? What's the next complaint, too much stam, hp, mp? maybe we should just give each race a conti type map and delete wotw and be done with it.[/quote]	#23 2013/10/23 13:29:19
ISHARIE	"YOSHIMITSU" "ISHARIE" Sorry you're in gold armour using what looks like a silver bow? Tbh that isn't high dex not even close to been high dex by any means. My Human vs Devil stats aren't that much different, devil has a bit more dex but less str as an archer, use slow/blind feather ect. been in a static location will only end up with you been slapped around. Can I just point out that slow, takes twice as long to cast as DB so that's impossible. Even if it does manage to land a hit, you can just serum it away and continue to hit us. Feathers are a good idea, but with the attack lock it doesn't make any difference at all because you can just keep hitting us unless we feather off the screen; this really needs looking in to Humans aren't supposed to be able to take devils 1v1, in some cases yes of course if the human is a higher lvl however top devils players should need a good 3-4 humans hitting them at once, most humans are out to be one man armies and it's not going to happen, the sooner humans get this through their thick head the better. If you have low int spam weak, slow, blind and confuse on devils. I have watched Dsoma gvw's confuse has been effective in stopping people from grabbing the stone in the past, simple but effective. If a human is on a stone? HEAL them, this was effective at the sacred stone event it should be just as effective at wotw. PM Reply Quote [quote="ISHARIE"][quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="ISHARIE"] Sorry you're in gold armour using what looks like a silver bow? Tbh that isn't high dex not even close to been high dex by any means. My Human vs Devil stats aren't that much different, devil has a bit more dex but less str as an archer, use slow/blind feather ect. been in a static location will only end up with you been slapped around. [/quote] Can I just point out that slow, takes twice as long to cast as DB so that's impossible. Even if it does manage to land a hit, you can just serum it away and continue to hit us. Feathers are a good idea, but with the attack lock it doesn't make any difference at all because you can just keep hitting us unless we feather off the screen; this really needs looking in to[/quote] Humans aren't supposed to be able to take devils 1v1, in some cases yes of course if the human is a higher lvl however top devils players should need a good 3-4 humans hitting them at once, most humans are out to be one man armies and it's not going to happen, the sooner humans get this through their thick head the better. If you have low int spam weak, slow, blind and confuse on devils. I have watched Dsoma gvw's confuse has been effective in stopping people from grabbing the stone in the past, simple but effective. If a human is on a stone? HEAL them, this was effective at the sacred stone event it should be just as effective at wotw.[/quote]	#24 2013/10/23 14:07:25
SCOIN	"CARNAGE" "SCOIN"Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them. No offense intended here mate but the fact they were doing 10 damage as you claim says enough but now they're to do 10 damage and not hit a lot?, maybe you should stop trying to 1v1 in what's clearly a group environment because if they were doing so little damage what was stopping you from taking the litttle damage and having someone else cast spells as a team? What's the next complaint, too much stam, hp, mp? maybe we should just give each race a conti type map and delete wotw and be done with it. Did I say not hit alot? I said not hit EVERY arrow. You missed the point I was making so carry on regardless. Sod the wow. PM Reply Quote [quote="SCOIN"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SCOIN"]Last wow I had the chance to try to stand toe to toe with a couple of archers [b]who were doing less than 10 damage per arrow[/b] but hit me every time so I couldn't cast once against them. Imo a dev doing so little damage shouldnt be able to hit me every shot. And no im not an axe user with high str and low dex. Im sword and bow! No point in using sword or bow on them when I know ill do much nore damge with db with over 80 int if I could cast on them.[/quote] No offense intended here mate but the fact they were doing 10 damage as you claim says enough but now they're to do 10 damage and not hit a lot?, maybe you should stop trying to 1v1 in what's clearly a group environment because if they were doing so little damage what was stopping you from taking the litttle damage and having someone else cast spells as a team? What's the next complaint, too much stam, hp, mp? maybe we should just give each race a conti type map and delete wotw and be done with it.[/quote] Did I say not hit alot? I said not hit EVERY arrow. You missed the point I was making so carry on regardless. Sod the wow.[/quote]	#25 2013/10/23 14:22:14
LAW	I've been against nerfing anything the entire time, and I can't offer any advice about how to fix the issue, perhaps we need time, But at one point, there was around 20 of us, I was the weakest person in this group at near level 50, and we had several of what I know as our strongest players ( the point were we blocked the front door) when monster popped through, we hit him with everything (the door was blocked he couldn't get back in) and literally he did not drop the entire time, this was with all of us solely focusing him, with no interruptions, weakens up, everything he survived Atleast a minute and then he got out anyway, how could we ever take stones of 3 monsters? PM Reply Quote [quote="LAW"]I've been against nerfing anything the entire time, and I can't offer any advice about how to fix the issue, perhaps we need time, But at one point, there was around 20 of us, I was the weakest person in this group at near level 50, and we had several of what I know as our strongest players ( the point were we blocked the front door) when monster popped through, we hit him with everything (the door was blocked he couldn't get back in) and literally he did not drop the entire time, this was with all of us solely focusing him, with no interruptions, weakens up, everything he survived Atleast a minute and then he got out anyway, how could we ever take stones of 3 monsters?[/quote]	#26 2013/10/23 14:39:53
CARNAGE	"SCOIN"Did I say not hit alot? I said not hit EVERY arrow. You missed the point I was making so carry on regardless. Sod the wow. So you're saying I missed the point... cool, so how about addressing the rest of my post as to where your help was to kill the dev that was apparently hitting you for sweet fa damage. "LAW"I've been against nerfing anything the entire time, and I can't offer any advice about how to fix the issue, perhaps we need time, But at one point, there was around 20 of us, I was the weakest person in this group at near level 50, and we had several of what I know as our strongest players ( the point were we blocked the front door) when monster popped through, we hit him with everything (the door was blocked he couldn't get back in) and literally he did not drop the entire time, this was with all of us solely focusing him, with no interruptions, weakens up, everything he survived Atleast a minute and then he got out anyway, how could we ever take stones of 3 monsters? Well Monster is the top devil mage most likely level 70+ so that should answer some questions as to why you couldn't kill him with magic... lol. PM Reply Quote [quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SCOIN"]Did I say not hit alot? I said not hit EVERY arrow. You missed the point I was making so carry on regardless. Sod the wow.[/quote] So you're saying I missed the point... cool, so how about addressing the rest of my post as to where your help was to kill the dev that was apparently hitting you for sweet fa damage. [quote="LAW"]I've been against nerfing anything the entire time, and I can't offer any advice about how to fix the issue, perhaps we need time, But at one point, there was around 20 of us, I was the weakest person in this group at near level 50, and we had several of what I know as our strongest players ( the point were we blocked the front door) when monster popped through, we hit him with everything (the door was blocked he couldn't get back in) and literally he did not drop the entire time, this was with all of us solely focusing him, with no interruptions, weakens up, everything he survived Atleast a minute and then he got out anyway, how could we ever take stones of 3 monsters?[/quote] Well Monster is the top devil mage most likely level 70+ so that should answer some questions as to why you couldn't kill him with magic... lol.[/quote]	#27 2013/10/23 14:41:48
ISHARIE	"CARNAGE" Well Monster is the top devil mage most likely level 70+ so that should answer some questions as to why you couldn't kill him with magic... lol. They also try to kill S0rcerer in full in gear with int, when I see that I just want to bash my head off a wall, this shouldn't have to be said but my old rule of thumb was this, if it's a melee devil use int if it's a mage devil use a melee weapon PM Reply Quote [quote="ISHARIE"][quote="CARNAGE"] Well Monster is the top devil mage most likely level 70+ so that should answer some questions as to why you couldn't kill him with magic... lol.[/quote] They also try to kill S0rcerer in full in gear with int, when I see that I just want to bash my head off a wall, this shouldn't have to be said but my old rule of thumb was this, if it's a melee devil use int if it's a mage devil use a melee weapon [/quote]	#28 2013/10/23 14:59:46
SCOIN	"CARNAGE" "SCOIN"Did I say not hit alot? I said not hit EVERY arrow. You missed the point I was making so carry on regardless. Sod the wow. So you're saying I missed the point... cool, so how about addressing the rest of my post as to where your help was to kill the dev that was apparently hitting you for sweet fa damage. "LAW"I've been against nerfing anything the entire time, and I can't offer any advice about how to fix the issue, perhaps we need time, But at one point, there was around 20 of us, I was the weakest person in this group at near level 50, and we had several of what I know as our strongest players ( the point were we blocked the front door) when monster popped through, we hit him with everything (the door was blocked he couldn't get back in) and literally he did not drop the entire time, this was with all of us solely focusing him, with no interruptions, weakens up, everything he survived Atleast a minute and then he got out anyway, how could we ever take stones of 3 monsters? Well Monster is the top devil mage most likely level 70+ so that should answer some questions as to why you couldn't kill him with magic... lol. Not everyone waros to safezone you know. PM Reply Quote [quote="SCOIN"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SCOIN"]Did I say not hit alot? I said not hit EVERY arrow. You missed the point I was making so carry on regardless. Sod the wow.[/quote] So you're saying I missed the point... cool, so how about addressing the rest of my post as to where your help was to kill the dev that was apparently hitting you for sweet fa damage. [quote="LAW"]I've been against nerfing anything the entire time, and I can't offer any advice about how to fix the issue, perhaps we need time, But at one point, there was around 20 of us, I was the weakest person in this group at near level 50, and we had several of what I know as our strongest players ( the point were we blocked the front door) when monster popped through, we hit him with everything (the door was blocked he couldn't get back in) and literally he did not drop the entire time, this was with all of us solely focusing him, with no interruptions, weakens up, everything he survived Atleast a minute and then he got out anyway, how could we ever take stones of 3 monsters?[/quote] Well Monster is the top devil mage most likely level 70+ so that should answer some questions as to why you couldn't kill him with magic... lol.[/quote] Not everyone waros to safezone you know. [/quote]	#29 2013/10/23 15:28:55
JARAGOONDOO	"LAW"I've been against nerfing anything the entire time, and I can't offer any advice about how to fix the issue, perhaps we need time, But at one point, there was around 20 of us, I was the weakest person in this group at near level 50, and we had several of what I know as our strongest players ( the point were we blocked the front door) when monster popped through, we hit him with everything (the door was blocked he couldn't get back in) and literally he did not drop the entire time, this was with all of us solely focusing him, with no interruptions, weakens up, everything he survived Atleast a minute and then he got out anyway, how could we ever take stones of 3 monsters? You have to keep in mind Monster is the top mage. I doubt anyone under 70 int does noticeable damage to him (even on that %). Now, if you all got your bows out you probably would've dropped him. FYI, I have 64 INT and only a few Humans were hitting close to 100 on me with DB with no weaken (Gump and I think Fujitora). Most were doing about 50-70 damage. And Monster has 100+ INT so most Humans will do nothing to him with magic. PM Reply Quote [quote="JARAGOONDOO"][quote="LAW"]I've been against nerfing anything the entire time, and I can't offer any advice about how to fix the issue, perhaps we need time, But at one point, there was around 20 of us, I was the weakest person in this group at near level 50, and we had several of what I know as our strongest players ( the point were we blocked the front door) when monster popped through, we hit him with everything (the door was blocked he couldn't get back in) and literally he did not drop the entire time, this was with all of us solely focusing him, with no interruptions, weakens up, everything he survived Atleast a minute and then he got out anyway, how could we ever take stones of 3 monsters?[/quote] You have to keep in mind Monster is the top mage. I doubt anyone under 70 int does noticeable damage to him (even on that %). Now, if you all got your bows out you probably would've dropped him. FYI, I have 64 INT and only a few Humans were hitting close to 100 on me with DB with no weaken (Gump and I think Fujitora). Most were doing about 50-70 damage. And Monster has 100+ INT so most Humans will do nothing to him with magic.[/quote]	#30 2013/10/23 15:42:17

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