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"ACAELUS" I think theres only 5 people on server with close to 100 str. am i under 100str? LOL |
#31 2013/11/06 14:30:19 |
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RAZOR |
They are two different types of soma and is best left separate, but there needs to be some work on balancing in the future.
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#32 2013/11/06 14:32:13 |
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"RAZOR"They are two different types of soma and is best left separate, but there needs to be some work on balancing in the future. I agree they should be left seperate but it's like some peoples first idea of balance is just beef up humans without even considering the other things.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="RAZOR"]They are two different types of soma and is best left separate, but there needs to be some work on balancing in the future.[/quote]
I agree they should be left seperate but it's like some peoples first idea of balance is just beef up humans without even considering the other things.[/quote]
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#33 2013/11/06 14:41:30 |
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"CARNAGE" All I spoke of is the imbalance. Wouldn't it be nice to be 100% 100% or very close at wotw? I never said I had all of the solutions, but lets not deny there is an extreme problem with balance. Lastly, you can't compare damage/defence and leveling speed to having crafting, potion making and all that jazz.. They're two different things. You also seem to be coming from the perspective that I am a bias human, but i play both worlds often on every server, so i know all too well what dsoma is all about.
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[quote="BLACKHAT"][quote="CARNAGE"]
So make both worlds the exact same, you know give humans devil-like attack weapons and defense oh and make them level faster as well. While giving devs the ability to learn more than one weapon, upgrades and a crafting system. Perfectly balanced right?
I've never been against balance, I just don't think humans should be EXACTLY on par with devils when they have all these little perks.[/quote]
All I spoke of is the imbalance.
Wouldn't it be nice to be 100% 100% or very close at wotw? I never said I had all of the solutions, but lets not deny there is an extreme problem with balance.
Lastly, you can't compare damage/defence and leveling speed to having crafting, potion making and all that jazz.. They're two different things. You also seem to be coming from the perspective that I am a bias human, but i play both worlds often on every server, so i know all too well what dsoma is all about.
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#34 2013/11/06 14:49:38 |
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"CARNAGE""RAZOR"They are two different types of soma and is best left separate, but there needs to be some work on balancing in the future. If we're talking about WoTw then exactly what else would you do? Nerf devils? Populations of both worlds are fairly close, yet one worlds is extremely overpowered, so either you nerf one or buff the other, its not too difficult to see the logic.
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[quote="BLACKHAT"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="RAZOR"]They are two different types of soma and is best left separate, but there needs to be some work on balancing in the future.[/quote]
I agree they should be left seperate but it's like some peoples first idea of balance is just beef up humans without even considering the other things.[/quote]
If we're talking about WoTw then exactly what else would you do? Nerf devils?
Populations of both worlds are fairly close, yet one worlds is extremely overpowered, so either you nerf one or buff the other, its not too difficult to see the logic. [/quote]
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#35 2013/11/06 14:51:10 |
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"BLACKHAT"Lastly, you can't compare damage/defence and leveling speed to having crafting, potion making and all that jazz.. They're two different things. You also seem to be coming from the perspective that I am a bias human, but i play both worlds often on every server, so i know all too well what dsoma is all about. I can't? maybe we've got two different visions going on both thinking about two different points in the servers life, because I'm thinking about end game where basically these buffed humans that are now "on par" with devs except they now have evasion, accuracy, faster weapons which are upgrade related which is crafting related last time I checked as well as good int...
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="BLACKHAT"]Lastly, you can't compare damage/defence and leveling speed to having crafting, potion making and all that jazz.. They're two different things. You also seem to be coming from the perspective that I am a bias human, but i play both worlds often on every server, so i know all too well what dsoma is all about.
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I can't? maybe we've got two different visions going on both thinking about two different points in the servers life, because I'm thinking about end game where basically these buffed humans that are now "on par" with devs except they now have evasion, accuracy, faster weapons which are upgrade related which is crafting related last time I checked as well as good int...
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#36 2013/11/06 15:02:46 |
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"CARNAGE""BLACKHAT"Lastly, you can't compare damage/defence and leveling speed to having crafting, potion making and all that jazz.. They're two different things. You also seem to be coming from the perspective that I am a bias human, but i play both worlds often on every server, so i know all too well what dsoma is all about. That is a very limited way of looking at things, you're saying we should not balance the power of the worlds because then Dsoma would not be balanced in terms of crafting? Look, at the end of the day, Isylver and Finito are not that dumb to overlook such glaring imbalances. You can't not fix something because it might show how other things are already imbalanced. I think you jump to conclusions too fast, the worlds could be balanced in many many ways. Currently, for Hsoma I feel like it sucks knowing devils will always be stronger and as a devil it sucks knowing that only 60% of stats are being used.
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[quote="BLACKHAT"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="BLACKHAT"]Lastly, you can't compare damage/defence and leveling speed to having crafting, potion making and all that jazz.. They're two different things. You also seem to be coming from the perspective that I am a bias human, but i play both worlds often on every server, so i know all too well what dsoma is all about.
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I can't? maybe we've got two different visions going on both thinking about two different points in the servers life, because I'm thinking about end game where basically these buffed humans that are now "on par" with devs except they now have evasion, accuracy, faster weapons which are upgrade related which is crafting related last time I checked as well as good int...
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That is a very limited way of looking at things, you're saying we should not balance the power of the worlds because then Dsoma would not be balanced in terms of crafting?
Look, at the end of the day, Isylver and Finito are not that dumb to overlook such glaring imbalances. You can't not fix something because it might show how other things are already imbalanced.
I think you jump to conclusions too fast, the worlds could be balanced in many many ways. Currently, for Hsoma I feel like it sucks knowing devils will always be stronger and as a devil it sucks knowing that only 60% of stats are being used.
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#37 2013/11/06 15:29:03 |
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Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf.
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#38 2013/11/06 15:30:23 |
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"GHOSTLORD"Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf. The upgrade side of Soma Hsoma has never been accessible for anyone other than the hardcore players, the casual, for which Heaven has focused on will likely never get to use upgrades which would actually make a difference. This is a presumption based on what i've seen so far, but after players have put in 300+ hours we're still not seeing many upgrades then you can write off the idea that crafting balances the worlds.
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[quote="BLACKHAT"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf.[/quote]
The upgrade side of Soma Hsoma has never been accessible for anyone other than the hardcore players, the casual, for which Heaven has focused on will likely never get to use upgrades which would actually make a difference. This is a presumption based on what i've seen so far, but after players have put in 300+ hours we're still not seeing many upgrades then you can write off the idea that crafting balances the worlds. [/quote]
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#39 2013/11/06 15:45:27 |
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"BLACKHAT""GHOSTLORD"Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf. If you have frogs and herbs I'll make your upgrades ;)
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[quote="SCOIN"][quote="BLACKHAT"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf.[/quote]
The upgrade side of Soma Hsoma has never been accessible for anyone other than the hardcore players, the casual, for which Heaven has focused on will likely never get to use upgrades which would actually make a difference. This is a presumption based on what i've seen so far, but after players have put in 300+ hours we're still not seeing many upgrades then you can write off the idea that crafting balances the worlds. [/quote]
If you have frogs and herbs I'll make your upgrades ;)
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#40 2013/11/06 16:38:07 |
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"BLACKHAT""GHOSTLORD"Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf. People only upgrade the best they have. So people wait for bone. There are plenty of ways for lower lvls to gather upgrades, people just don't put in the effort (stiges for frogs, trading, gathering small gems to make them bigger and extract them). Crafting won't balance anything, you're right. But there is a big chance that it will shift the balance slight up to a lot, even in humans favor. That brings me to another points - how was SS yesterday?
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="BLACKHAT"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf.[/quote]
The upgrade side of Soma Hsoma has never been accessible for anyone other than the hardcore players, the casual, for which Heaven has focused on will likely never get to use upgrades which would actually make a difference. This is a presumption based on what i've seen so far, but after players have put in 300+ hours we're still not seeing many upgrades then you can write off the idea that crafting balances the worlds. [/quote]
People only upgrade the best they have. So people wait for bone. There are plenty of ways for lower lvls to gather upgrades, people just don't put in the effort (stiges for frogs, trading, gathering small gems to make them bigger and extract them).
Crafting won't balance anything, you're right. But there is a big chance that it will shift the balance slight up to a lot, even in humans favor.
That brings me to another points - how was SS yesterday?[/quote]
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#41 2013/11/07 12:44:08 |
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Just make Dragons Breath have a 2~5 second delay simples.
It would require a little more micro skill between other spells, no more weaken right click DB = dead anddddddddddddd if you really want to 2 shot someone you need 2 people to hit with DB.... |
#42 2013/11/07 13:01:41 |
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"GHOSTLORD""BLACKHAT""GHOSTLORD"Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf. I think the effort:reward ratio for SS is too small for any worth-while turnout. Yesterday there were about 5 humans from Equil, 2 from Dark Legacy and that's about it. Devils vastly outnumbered Humans and the staying power of devils (due primarily to +100's) made it impossible to down devils who actually bothered to use potions. Same as each week basically.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="BLACKHAT"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]Nerfing a race would be nearly impossible or at the very least very impractical. If anything the weakest race will be buffed. However, until humans use their full potential - namely upgrades, there's no justification for neither a buff nor a nerf.[/quote]
The upgrade side of Soma Hsoma has never been accessible for anyone other than the hardcore players, the casual, for which Heaven has focused on will likely never get to use upgrades which would actually make a difference. This is a presumption based on what i've seen so far, but after players have put in 300+ hours we're still not seeing many upgrades then you can write off the idea that crafting balances the worlds. [/quote]
People only upgrade the best they have. So people wait for bone. There are plenty of ways for lower lvls to gather upgrades, people just don't put in the effort (stiges for frogs, trading, gathering small gems to make them bigger and extract them).
Crafting won't balance anything, you're right. But there is a big chance that it will shift the balance slight up to a lot, even in humans favor.
That brings me to another points - how was SS yesterday?[/quote]
I think the effort:reward ratio for SS is too small for any worth-while turnout.
Yesterday there were about 5 humans from Equil, 2 from Dark Legacy and that's about it.
Devils vastly outnumbered Humans and the staying power of devils (due primarily to +100's) made it impossible to down devils who actually bothered to use potions.
Same as each week basically.
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#43 2013/11/07 17:57:31 |
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How would making any changes to the game in its current state be informed at all?
We need at least 3-6 more months of letting people cap out and start to see the final form of each race (although truth be told it may need to be nearer a year till the best humans are wearing 3/4 upgrades in each slot) before anything should be considered. In any case, % is truly the best way to do it anyway, the high bagweight/raw stats of devils can never be accurately balanced with the flexibility and upgrades of humans. It would be silly to try and risk breaking each world when % can do the job.
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[quote="BELKA"]How would making any changes to the game in its current state be informed at all?
We need at least 3-6 more months of letting people cap out and start to see the final form of each race (although truth be told it may need to be nearer a year till the best humans are wearing 3/4 upgrades in each slot) before anything should be considered.
In any case, % is truly the best way to do it anyway, the high bagweight/raw stats of devils can never be accurately balanced with the flexibility and upgrades of humans. It would be silly to try and risk breaking each world when % can do the job. [/quote]
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#44 2013/11/07 21:18:53 |
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"BELKA"How would making any changes to the game in its current state be informed at all? When you've a handful of 80+ humans, you'll see % will never go below 70% for devils. On Esoma, humans managed to win wars at 85+% with good attendance. As stated before (or in another thread?) leveling speed for mid level devils is so much higher than mid level humans, but the situation changes slightly in favour of hsoma (for lvling speed) at 60+ on this server. Stat gains in the mid-levels are also really shit on Hsoma, you have to remember that from level 50, Devils can be hunting monsters with 135+str, that's like a level 50 human hunting Drazils that only have 60dex. It's no mystery why devils level quickly through mid-game.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="BELKA"]How would making any changes to the game in its current state be informed at all?
We need at least 3-6 more months of letting people cap out and start to see the final form of each race (although truth be told it may need to be nearer a year till the best humans are wearing 3/4 upgrades in each slot) before anything should be considered.
In any case, % is truly the best way to do it anyway, the high bagweight/raw stats of devils can never be accurately balanced with the flexibility and upgrades of humans. It would be silly to try and risk breaking each world when % can do the job. [/quote]
When you've a handful of 80+ humans, you'll see % will never go below 70% for devils.
On Esoma, humans managed to win wars at 85+% with good attendance.
As stated before (or in another thread?) leveling speed for mid level devils is so much higher than mid level humans, but the situation changes slightly in favour of hsoma (for lvling speed) at 60+ on this server.
Stat gains in the mid-levels are also really shit on Hsoma, you have to remember that from level 50, Devils can be hunting monsters with 135+str, that's like a level 50 human hunting Drazils that only have 60dex.
It's no mystery why devils level quickly through mid-game.[/quote]
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